PGAT ratings.....

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, bcjim said:

And what happened to them?

 

They got stale.

 

Tiger was already way better than the full field. Put him up against half a field, some of whose only qualifications were "being from somewhere else" and the result was entirely predictable. 

They were basically replaced by the designated events. Some were replaced with a regular event but their demise wasn’t really because they were stale.

 

but even so they aren’t different from the WGC which were limited field events 

[Titleist99]

The problem with Golf is that they take everything literally. Just because something has the word "world" in it doesn't mean that it has to be played around the world. 🤣🤣Football and basketball play for a world title every year.

 

Only in golf. Where they say you can't call it a world tittle unless you play around the world.....It's quite ridiculous, that's what happened to the WGCs. Plus the players didn't want to travel.

[Mr.Cleeks]

I hope the tour drops NBC for good when it’s time to negotiate the new deal. NBC’s camerawork sucks, the booth is a disaster, and the production quality is many notches below CBS. Heck give some events to ABC, I really enjoy the ESPN+ coverage.

[me05501]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:29 PM, bcjim said:

There is speculation the tour could move to produce more of its own content.  They just hired Azinger to be the lead analyst for the senior tour. He'll be doing it from the media center at PGATour HQ. Won't even be at the site of the event,  cost cutting, streamlining...  If the Tour already does the production (for senior events) and now has the announcing done by employees,  the only thing they need a network for is market access. If they can get their own channel on enough screens, they don't need a network partner. They can sell the ads and keep all the money.  

 

 

 

With today's technology I think it makes sense to have the commentators do the job remotely. It's not like they were watching many shots in person from their perch in 18 tower. Zinger has done years and years of traveling as a player and then several more years as a commentator...I'm sure he's happy to be able to hang that side up. 

[MtlJeff]

"bubbles" exist in everything. I'm less an expert on the PGA tour vs the NBA.....but you obviously want people watching. There's a race to get rights, wars between streamers etc....It's a bit wild west. Over time if viewers are going down consistently eventually it will be worth less. Right now i think there's a bit of network/streamer FOMO driving values higher than they are

[jdl]

Comcast spinning off its cable channels, including the Golf Channel.

 

 

[Chunkitgood]

Mass media entertainment and sports have a purpose deeper than viewer enjoyment.  For the people who own the subsidized and regulated mass media they have a social purpose (dictated to them by the regulators) deeper than viewer enjoyment and in fact often conflicting with it.  And the beauty of the whole system is the customer in essence pays (via consumption of advertised product) to be educated in what to think about things, or rather what he cannot.

 

So ratings are nice, but not at the expense of say promoting women’s golf or basketball.

[me05501]

19 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

"bubbles" exist in everything. I'm less an expert on the PGA tour vs the NBA.....but you obviously want people watching. There's a race to get rights, wars between streamers etc....It's a bit wild west. Over time if viewers are going down consistently eventually it will be worth less. Right now i think there's a bit of network/streamer FOMO driving values higher than they are

All true. Plus most fans know that early-season NBA games aren’t the same as January/February games. Teams are just settling into their lineups and no one is pushing that hard. Playoff ratings matter a lot more. 
 

 

[Titleist99]

I understand why Netflix and Amazon want to get into the Sports media business.

 

The Tyson/Jake Paul fight got 46,000,000 views and the golf series did well.

 

Maybe the PGAT needs to renegotiate their Media Rights deal and include these two.

 

In any case, I'd say the current networks got a great deal in this contract.... IMO

[DoughBack18]

On 11/19/2024 at 9:49 PM, Chunkitgood said:

Mass media entertainment and sports have a purpose deeper than viewer enjoyment.  For the people who own the subsidized and regulated mass media they have a social purpose (dictated to them by the regulators) deeper than viewer enjoyment and in fact often conflicting with it.  And the beauty of the whole system is the customer in essence pays (via consumption of advertised product) to be educated in what to think about things, or rather what he cannot.

 

So ratings are nice, but not at the expense of say promoting women’s golf or basketball.

I think this is why alternate viewing options are becoming so popular. Many don’t feel the need to have their viewing behavior shaped by the invisible hand. 

[bscinstnct]

On 11/20/2024 at 12:27 PM, Titleist99 said:

I understand why Netflix and Amazon want to get into the Sports media business.

 

The Tyson/Jake Paul fight got 46,000,000 views and the golf series did well.

 

Maybe the PGAT needs to renegotiate their Media Rights deal and include these two.

 

In any case, I'd say the current networks got a great deal in this contract.... IMO

 

The Tyson fight underlines the pga problem but it’s got nothing to do with the media outlet 

 

You put an average pga tour event on Netflix and it will get less views than on NBC

 

People would quickly get bored and….theres 200 more interesting things to watch right there lol

 

Tyson fight shows…things change. Hype, short attention spans, flashiness, fast action are what more and more people gravitate towards

 

Pickleball ratings growing into the millions per event.,

 

Then the tour loses Bryson, Rahm, Cam, BK, guys that people tuned into see

 

So, pga tour still offers networks a unique product and highest value  demographic. 
 

But definitely needs some more fun players to watch. TW is gone but unfortunately even Jordan, JT, Rickie, type exciting young players aren’t there. 
 

The new young players are good but besides Sahith, they pretty boring. 
 

Lack of general excitement when you tune into a pga tour event. 

[bcjim]

13 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The Tyson fight underlines the pga problem but it’s got nothing to do with the media outlet 

 

You put an average pga tour event on Netflix and it will get less views than on NBC

 

People would quickly get bored and….theres 200 more interesting things to watch right there lol

 

Tyson fight shows…things change. Hype, short attention spans, flashiness, fast action are what more and more people gravitate towards

 

Pickleball ratings growing into the millions per event.,

 

Then the tour loses Bryson, Rahm, Cam, BK, guys that people tuned into see

 

So, pga tour still offers networks a unique product and highest value  demographic. 
 

But definitely needs some more fun players to watch. TW is gone but unfortunately even Jordan, JT, Rickie, type exciting young players aren’t there. 
 

The new young players are good but besides Sahith, they pretty boring. 
 

Lack of general excitement when you tune into a pga tour event. 

Hasn't the failure of the other league shown that people were not,  in fact,  tuning in to see those players? Smith has no particular personality.  Bk is surly and rarely shows up.  Rahm, eh. Bryson at the time,  people actively avoided. He's reinvented himself now of course and deserves credit for that. 

[MtlJeff]

15 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The Tyson fight underlines the pga problem but it’s got nothing to do with the media outlet 

 

You put an average pga tour event on Netflix and it will get less views than on NBC

 

People would quickly get bored and….theres 200 more interesting things to watch right there lol

 

Tyson fight shows…things change. Hype, short attention spans, flashiness, fast action are what more and more people gravitate towards

 

Pickleball ratings growing into the millions per event.,

 

Then the tour loses Bryson, Rahm, Cam, BK, guys that people tuned into see

 

So, pga tour still offers networks a unique product and highest value  demographic. 
 

But definitely needs some more fun players to watch. TW is gone but unfortunately even Jordan, JT, Rickie, type exciting young players aren’t there. 
 

The new young players are good but besides Sahith, they pretty boring. 
 

Lack of general excitement when you tune into a pga tour event. 

 

One thing i would like about it being on Netflix is how easy it is to re-watch. This was a big appeal of LIV on Youtube for me, you could just tune in whenever . Or if you missed the round because you were out etc, just watch it whenever you want

 

I'd probably watch more PGA tour if it was on Netflix, but how much i reflect the average viewer...no idea

[bscinstnct]

1 minute ago, bcjim said:

Hasn't the failure of the other league shown that people were not,  in fact,  tuning in to see those players? Smith has no particular personality.  Bk is surly and rarely shows up.  Rahm, eh. Bryson at the time,  people actively avoided. He's reinvented himself now of course and deserves credit for that. 

 

This is always the excuse but no denying that Rahm and Bryson were/are fan favorites. Cam too

 

And BK has the most majors of any of his peers

 

Dismissing them as “meh” is just sticking heads in sand

 

 

[GoGoErky]

19 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

This is always the excuse but no denying that Rahm and Bryson were/are fan favorites. Cam too

 

And BK has the most majors of any of his peers

 

Dismissing them as “meh” is just sticking heads in sand

 

 

Nobody is tuning in to watch Koepka. Most people don’t like him and him saying he gets bored after 13 holes and not worried about pga events didnt help him.

 

The numbers don’t lie. They are meh and if they were actually that big of a draw people and sponsors and media outlets would have flocked over to that tout but they didn’t. Nobody cares about watching pros play resort courses.

 

 

[bscinstnct]

13 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Nobody is tuning in to watch Koepka. Most people don’t like him and him saying he gets bored after 13 holes and not worried about pga events didnt help him.

 

The numbers don’t lie. They are meh and if they were actually that big of a draw people and sponsors and media outlets would have flocked over to that tout but they didn’t. Nobody cares about watching pros play resort courses.

 

 

 

The top guys on the tour last year were

 

Scottie

Xander

Rory

Collin 
Will Clarke 

 

If they had a pga tournament and replaced them with

 

Bryson

Rahm

Cam

Brooks

DJ

 

 

More people would watch than with that first group

 

 🤣 🍻 

Edited November 25, 2024 by bscinstnct

[GoGoErky]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The top guys on the tour last year were

 

Scottie

Xander

Rory

Collin 
Will Clarke 

 

If they had a pga tournament and replaced them with

 

Bryson

Rahm

Cam

Brooks

DJ

 

 

More people would watch than with that first group

 

 🤣 🍻 

😂😂😂 you live in a dream world and obviously didn’t read the article in the op.

 

the numbers don’t matter because they aren’t even accurate and views don’t account for any streaming services, the number of people watching a tv at a home or at a bar or in a clubhouse.

 

Not to mention that tv ratings in general have been dropping as people cut the cord and move to streaming services

[bscinstnct]

9 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

😂😂😂 you live in a dream world and obviously didn’t read the article in the op.

 

the numbers don’t matter because they aren’t even accurate and views don’t account for any streaming services, the number of people watching a tv at a home or at a bar or in a clubhouse.

 

Not to mention that tv ratings in general have been dropping as people cut the cord and move to streaming services

 

Always excuses 

 

The bottom line is the better the field of a pga tour event is, the better the ratings

 

That’s why the players ratings destroy the John Deere

 

Given all the challenges, the pga tour needs the best players. They lost a bunch 

 

This should be plainly obvious. It is to the players themselves. And it is to the tour and why they are trying so hard to make a deal 

 

Can’t imagine why people keep denying the obvious 

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, bcjim said:

Hasn't the failure of the other league shown that people were not,  in fact,  tuning in to see those players? Smith has no particular personality.  Bk is surly and rarely shows up.  Rahm, eh. Bryson at the time,  people actively avoided. He's reinvented himself now of course and deserves credit for that. 

I couldn't agree with you more. The 54League took many of the dullest players on tour. DJ, Koepka, Smith, Varner, Kokrak, Sergio..... A bunch of Whiners and malcontents.

No one followed them to the Saudi league, that's undisputable.

 

Bryson's antics and his professor act was wearing thin on the golfing population. IMO

Reed was one of the most hated players on the PGAT. 

 

~Just for context.....Cam Smith and Brooks Koepka were two of my favorite players at the time of their departure. haven't watched either in the last two or three years. I now have different favorites, that's how sports work. IMO If the PGAT can't produce new stars then they need to perish.

[Titleist99]

25 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Always excuses 

 

The bottom line is the better the field of a pga tour event is, the better the ratings

 

That’s why the players ratings destroy the John Deere

 

Given all the challenges, the pga tour needs the best players. They lost a bunch 

 

This should be plainly obvious. It is to the players themselves. And it is to the tour and why they are trying so hard to make a deal 

 

Can’t imagine why people keep denying the obvious 

You obviously believe four or five aging players can destroy the PGAT and I respectfully disagree. If there's no deal the tour will be just fine..... IMO

[bcjim]

I'd also say that it doesn't appear to me that the tour is "trying so hard" to make a deal.

 

It appears more likely that after years of failure by the other guys,  Jay knows he can dictate terms of any deal and Yasir maybe can't quite accept that yet.

[bcjim]

We also went through this exact song and dance with the wgc. It was going to be "so great" having all these worldwide stars playing each other 5 or 6 more times a year..

 

Well, the wgc is gone,  Tiger padded his win list,  guys didn't go the far flung events or the whacky team event and rest just morphed back into normal tour events because that's what works. 

[bscinstnct]

15 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

You obviously believe four or five aging players can destroy the PGAT and I respectfully disagree. If there's no deal the tour will be just fine..... IMO

 

Destroy?

 

No. 
 

Cheers 🍻 T99. We can disagree but we should all be objective that constantly losing  major winners, top ranked players, and fan favorites, make no difference to the tours growth potential. 
 

I mean, you don’t miss Rahm and Cam? You don’t think more fans would tune in if they and Bryson and BK were in the field?

 

Really?

[Titleist99]

7 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Destroy?

 

No. 
 

Cheers 🍻 T99. We can disagree but we should all be objective that constantly losing  major winners, top ranked players, and fan favorites, make no difference to the tours growth potential. 
 

I mean, you don’t miss Rahm and Cam? You don’t think more fans would tune in if they and Bryson and BK were in the field?

 

Really?

Cheers to you my friend......

 

I sincerely think that fans gets over players quicker than you think. Recently the tour lost a 15 time major winner that some consider the goat and the tour is doing just fine with other players stepping up and young talent being developed. Happens all the time.

 

~PS/ speaking for me and my inner circle..... We watch less golf when the guy that left is in the field because they really irritate us now. LOL!

[Titleist99]

19 minutes ago, bcjim said:

We also went through this exact song and dance with the wgc. It was going to be "so great" having all these worldwide stars playing each other 5 or 6 more times a year..

 

Well, the wgc is gone,  Tiger padded his win list,  guys didn't go the far flung events or the whacky team event and rest just morphed back into normal tour events because that's what works. 

100%.agree. None of this stuff is new. The tour has always had limited field events and team events that no one watched. It's all regurgitated and renamed.

[Titleist99]

30 minutes ago, bcjim said:

I'd also say that it doesn't appear to me that the tour is "trying so hard" to make a deal.

 

It appears more likely that after years of failure by the other guys,  Jay knows he can dictate terms of any deal and Yasir maybe can't quite accept that yet.

I agree, So what if they pay Finau, Hovland or Adam Scott a 1/2 billion dollars to join. maybe they'll get another 10,000 viewers. 😂😂

[GoGoErky]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Always excuses 

 

The bottom line is the better the field of a pga tour event is, the better the ratings

 

That’s why the players ratings destroy the John Deere

 

Given all the challenges, the pga tour needs the best players. They lost a bunch 

 

This should be plainly obvious. It is to the players themselves. And it is to the tour and why they are trying so hard to make a deal 

 

Can’t imagine why people keep denying the obvious 

No excuses it’s actual data. Some people just don’t like hearing the truth.

 

the tour is just fine without those players. The product in 2023 and 2024 was just fine,

 

They lost 3 maybe 4 top players who btw weren’t playing that well when they left. The pga tour is just fine with the current crop.

 

Rahm is so good that he struggled against the same field every week in resort courses and when he came back to the majors he didn’t fair so well for being a top player 

[TroyB123]

14 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

No excuses it’s actual data. Some people just don’t like hearing the truth.

 

the tour is just fine without those players. The product in 2023 and 2024 was just fine,

 

They lost 3 maybe 4 top players who btw weren’t playing that well when they left. The pga tour is just fine with the current crop.

 

Rahm is so good that he struggled against the same field every week in resort courses and when he came back to the majors he didn’t fair so well for being a top player 

Agreed.  Bryson is the only liv player who seemed to have any star power when walking around the US Open.   Scottie, Xander, Rory, Aberg, Colin, Clanton all generated a lot more buzz.   Sergio is the only other liv guy who I can think of anyone caring about.   Guys like Cam Smith and DJ are pretty much forgotten.  Unless Rahm does something big in a major soon, he will join them as well.    

 

Bryson could move the needle a bit on pgat ratings if he came back, but none of those other guys do except maybe from their home countries.

 

 

 

[Maine Golfer]

Bryson is only one who might move the needle when they merge 

[GoGoErky]

3 minutes ago, Maine Golfer said:

Bryson is only one who might move the needle when they merge 

For sure.