PGAT ratings.....

[TiScape]

19 minutes ago, Maine Golfer said:

Bryson is only one who might move the needle when they merge 

Agreed. 
Hey, I was banned from TikTok. Did he every get that HIO over his house?

[bscinstnct]

12 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Agreed. 
Hey, I was banned from TikTok. Did he every get that HIO over his house?

 

🤣 banned?

 

But Bryson no the only one missed. When Rahm play everybody like

 

 

 

 

 

Now pga tour like

 

Omg cantaloo hit the freakin ball already 🤣💤

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

🤣 banned?

 

But Bryson no the only one missed. When Rahm play everybody like

 

 

 

 

 

Now pga tour like

 

Omg cantaloo hit the freakin ball already 🤣💤

👏🏼 🤣

[Titleist99]

5 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The top guys on the tour last year were

 

Scottie

Xander

Rory

Collin 
Will Clarke 

 

If they had a pga tournament and replaced them with

 

Bryson

Rahm

Cam

Brooks

DJ

 

 

More people would watch than with that first group

 

 🤣 🍻 

That's insane my friend. The current tours consist of those guys. The PGAT gets 2.5M viewers on a particular Sunday, 2M Saturday viewers........the 54League attracts 89K. LOL!

 

~The top guys are relevant...... the bottom guys are not.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Titleist99

[Titleist99]

Trust me after 6months of a steady diet of Bryson Dechambeau's act and his professor nonsense, heads will explode. The guy comes with an expiration date. WRXers have short memory's. 🤣

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, Titleist99 said:

That's insane my friend. The current tours consist of those guys. The PGAT gets 2.5M viewers on a particular Sunday, 2M Saturday viewers........the 54League attracts 89K. LOL!

 

~The top guys are relevant...... the bottom guys are not.

 

Ya and if you grabbed Mahomes Saquon and Nick Bosa and threw them in an exhibition league with a bunch of no names they wouldn’t get the 20MM viewers they normally get ; )

 

But it’s clear from how the tour is selling off equity and getting investors,

 

They know the talent drain gravely impacts growth potential 

 

Remember, you and your friends may be part of the group of folks that always watches the PGA Tour on Sunday because “ that’s just what they do”

 

But that’s not growth.

 

Its called a “profit margin” for a reason

 

Profits are made at the “margin” and, since expenses are always going up, the tour can’t make money and grow from just the old faithful diehards who tune in when when top players consistently leave. 
 

 

[GoGoErky]

10 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya and if you grabbed Mahomes Saquon and Nick Bosa and threw them in an exhibition league with a bunch of no names they wouldn’t get the 20MM viewers they normally get ; )

 

But it’s clear from how the tour is selling off equity and getting investors,

 

They know the talent drain gravely impacts growth potential 

 

Remember, you and your friends may be part of the group of folks that always watches the PGA Tour on Sunday because “ that’s just what they do”

 

But that’s not growth.

 

Its called a “profit margin” for a reason

 

Profits are made at the “margin” and, since expenses are always going up, the tour can’t make money and grow from just the old faithful diehards who tune in when when top players consistently leave. 
 

 

It has nothing to do with the talent drain. Nobody can compete with the Saudi money. There’s been no talent drain. Other than Rahm, cam when he’s hot and Bryson there’s nobody that left the pga tour that draws fans. As evident by their less than 100k viewers, no sponsors and no tv deal. If it wasn’t a talent drain then the eyes would have followed the players you list.

 

as you say it’s pretty obvious the oga your is just fine.

 

 

[bcjim]

19 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya and if you grabbed Mahomes Saquon and Nick Bosa and threw them in an exhibition league with a bunch of no names they wouldn’t get the 20MM viewers they normally get ; )

 

But it’s clear from how the tour is selling off equity and getting investors,

 

They know the talent drain gravely impacts growth potential 

 

Remember, you and your friends may be part of the group of folks that always watches the PGA Tour on Sunday because “ that’s just what they do”

 

But that’s not growth.

 

Its called a “profit margin” for a reason

 

Profits are made at the “margin” and, since expenses are always going up, the tour can’t make money and grow from just the old faithful diehards who tune in when when top players consistently leave. 
 

 

The PGA Tour (at least historically), is not a "business" in the normal sense. There is no "profit". If they suddenly cut 5 events or scaled back purses 15%...literally nobody would notice except players. They don't need "growth" to generate a profit (a return for investors) (historically) because there were no investors to receive a profit or complain if there was not a profit.  

 

BUT, none of that is even happening or will happen. Golf is booming. And time marches on. Look at the NFL. Dan Snyder did fkk all for 20y and sold for a massive profit. He did possibly the worst job possible and still made a killing.  Things like major sports broadcast contracts are not going down in value. The next deal the PGA Tour makes will dwarf the last one.

[Titleist99]

51 minutes ago, bcjim said:

The PGA Tour (at least historically), is not a "business" in the normal sense. There is no "profit". If they suddenly cut 5 events or scaled back purses 15%...literally nobody would notice except players. They don't need "growth" to generate a profit (a return for investors) (historically) because there were no investors to receive a profit or complain if there was not a profit.  

 

BUT, none of that is even happening or will happen. Golf is booming. And time marches on. Look at the NFL. Dan Snyder did fkk all for 20y and sold for a massive profit. He did possibly the worst job possible and still made a killing.  Things like major sports broadcast contracts are not going down in value. The next deal the PGA Tour makes will dwarf the last one.

100%. The PGAT is successful because it has its own sponsors, not because of certain players (TW excluded). That's the principle that it was built on. If not for being supported by a sovereign nation the other tour would have folded long ago.

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Titleist99 said:

Trust me after 6months of a steady diet of Bryson Dechambeau's act and his professor nonsense, heads will explode. The guy comes with an expiration date. WRXers have short memory's. 🤣

Have to agree w/this 💯 

I do my very best to not be a hater or let others “burn my chicken”. But the Monday following his ‘24 US Open win and seeing his act everywhere from the local news to Jimmy Fallon, I was done. I had enough to last at least a year. As they say, small doses. 
That said, God bless him. One helluva golfer 😊

Edited November 26, 2024 by TiScape

[jimecherry]

27 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

100%. The PGAT is successful because it has its own sponsors, not because of certain players (TW excluded). That's the principle that it was built on. If not for being supported by a sovereign nation the other tour would have folded long ago.

cant wait till the pgat can be a part of that ;}

[Titleist99]

39 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Have to agree w/this 💯 

I do my very best to not be a hater or let others “burn my chicken”. But the Monday following his ‘24 US Open win and seeing his act everywhere from the local news to Jimmy Fallon, I was done. I had enough to last at least a year. As they say, small doses. 
That said, God bless him. One helluva golfer 😊

I will give him credit though; he turned his act into a $125M contract with the gullible Saudis....😂 Unlike most he ruined the '24 US Open for me. I was too nauseated to watch much..... 😫🤣

 

Now they call him the people's Champ, I think not! LOL!

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

I will give him credit though; he turned his act into a $125M contract with the gullible Saudis....😂 Unlike most he ruined the '24 US Open for me. I was too nauseated to watch much..... 😫🤣

 

Now they call him the people's Champ, I think not! LOL!

The week following the ‘24 US Open I made my opinion regarding his act crystal clear. By Tuesday I was cornered by a posse of Bryson simps and barely escaped w/my WRX life. Now I just smile 😊 

[StoutKing]

16 hours ago, TiScape said:

Have to agree w/this 💯 

I do my very best to not be a hater or let others “burn my chicken”. But the Monday following his ‘24 US Open win and seeing his act everywhere from the local news to Jimmy Fallon, I was done. I had enough to last at least a year. As they say, small doses. 
That said, God bless him. One helluva golfer 😊

Bryson is incredibly boring.  I'd rather watch Caitlin Clark.

[Bad9]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:56 AM, bscinstnct said:

 

The Tyson fight underlines the pga problem but it’s got nothing to do with the media outlet 

 

You put an average pga tour event on Netflix and it will get less views than on NBC

 

People would quickly get bored and….theres 200 more interesting things to watch right there lol

 

Tyson fight shows…things change. Hype, short attention spans, flashiness, fast action are what more and more people gravitate towards

 

Pickleball ratings growing into the millions per event.,

 

Then the tour loses Bryson, Rahm, Cam, BK, guys that people tuned into see

 

So, pga tour still offers networks a unique product and highest value  demographic. 
 

But definitely needs some more fun players to watch. TW is gone but unfortunately even Jordan, JT, Rickie, type exciting young players aren’t there. 
 

The new young players are good but besides Sahith, they pretty boring. 
 

Lack of general excitement when you tune into a pga tour event. 

 

News flash but golf was always full of boring players and was boring to watch for most. The mid 80's-Tiger Era had nothing but boring players who never tried to dominate and the result was, well, boring.

[StoutKing]

4 hours ago, Bad9 said:

 

News flash but golf was always full of boring players and was boring to watch for most. The mid 80's-Tiger Era had nothing but boring players who never tried to dominate and the result was, well, boring.

Golf is, was and will most likely always be boring.  It's a niche game.  That's what makes the money play by the Saudis all the more interesting.  Golfers are way overpaid compared to how much interest people have in the game.  Will it correct?  Not until the Saudis get bored of losing money.

[Bad9]

1 minute ago, StoutKing said:

Golf is, was and will most likely always be boring.  It's a niche game.  That's what makes the money play by the Saudis all the more interesting.  Golfers are way overpaid compared to how much interest people have in the game.  Will it correct?  Not until the Saudis get bored of losing money.

 

If the Saudis idea was sport washing to improve their reputation in European/North American eyes they would have been better off spending $500mil in women's pro golf.

[GoGoErky]

47 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Golf is, was and will most likely always be boring.  It's a niche game.  That's what makes the money play by the Saudis all the more interesting.  Golfers are way overpaid compared to how much interest people have in the game.  Will it correct?  Not until the Saudis get bored of losing money.

Are they overpaid on the pga tour? They a can only make what the sponsors are willing to pay out and sponsors won’t pay out of there aren’t eyeballs on

the product and the tv execs and event sponsors feel there’s enough eyeballs to warrant the money they are giving out so I would say they are earning based on the market.

 

When there are millions of dollars given out the participants are going to make millions and thus fair pay.

 

Baseball, football, basketball have large sums of money coming in. The players are making a bunch of money and the minimum salaries keep going up and the ceiling keeps getting higher and higher because the money is there. are the salaries exorbitant? Sure if one looks at the number only, but the money wouldn’t be there if the player and/or team wasn’t drawing the audience that allows that revenue to come in. Athletes aren’t over paid they are paid based on value they provide 

[StoutKing]

Erky I have you on ignore so I can't see the message sorry

[TiScape]

12 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Erky I have you on ignore so I can't see the message sorry

Bold move SK. How do you know if your opinion is right or wrong now?

[StoutKing]

24 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Bold move SK. How do you know if your opinion is right or wrong now?

LOL.  There are a few people trying to win arguments on here.  I'm happy to have a discussion.

[Duct Tape]

On 11/25/2024 at 6:15 PM, Titleist99 said:

I will give him credit though; he turned his act into a $125M contract with the gullible Saudis....😂 Unlike most he ruined the '24 US Open for me. I was too nauseated to watch much..... 😫🤣

 

Now they call him the people's Champ, I think not! LOL!

Holy smokes T99. Several posts in a row I agree with. 
 

What is up man!    🤓😀🏌🏼‍♀️

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

Bold move SK. How do you know if your opinion is right or wrong now?

People who put posters on ignore only want to talk to people with similar ideas....🤣

 

They think that they're always right, which is ridiculous in itself.... 🤣🤣

 

Intelligent people think that they're right until they are convinced otherwise.

 

~My philosophy of course.

[TiScape]

Just now, Titleist99 said:

People who put posters on ignore only want to talk to people with similar ideas....🤣

 

They think that they're always right, which is ridiculous in itself.... 🤣🤣

 

Intelligent people think that they're right until they are convinced otherwise.

 

~My philosophy of course.

I like that and am happy to say that I have never put anyone on ‘ignore’. 😊

[StoutKing]

5 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

People who put posters on ignore only want to talk to people with similar ideas....🤣

 

They think that they're always right, which is ridiculous in itself.... 🤣🤣

 

Intelligent people think that they're right until they are convinced otherwise.

 

~My philosophy of course.

That's completely untrue Titleist.  If you read my post above I don't care to argue or be right on a golf forum.  I simply enjoy the back and forth without personal insults.

[GoGoErky]

18 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

That's completely untrue Titleist.  If you read my post above I don't care to argue or be right on a golf forum.  I simply enjoy the back and forth without personal insults.

You just want to post your opinion and not have it challenged. Then you change your stance on what you mean when it is challenged.

 

you don’t want discuss you want to be able to say what you want and let it be your truth 

[GoGoErky]

27 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

People who put posters on ignore only want to talk to people with similar ideas....🤣

 

They think that they're always right, which is ridiculous in itself.... 🤣🤣

 

Intelligent people think that they're right until they are convinced otherwise.

 

~My philosophy of course.

Truth about 99% of the time. There’s a drive by troll or two I have on the ignore list and one or two others just so I can control what I want to respond too

[Dutch1008]

4 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Golf is, was and will most likely always be boring.  It's a niche game.  That's what makes the money play by the Saudis all the more interesting.  Golfers are way overpaid compared to how much interest people have in the game.  Will it correct?  Not until the Saudis get bored of losing money.

 

Golf has a couple of unique factors that distort the market. From a pure eyeballs perspective, you're completely right. Golfers are overpaid in relation to eyeballs. Golf has two big advantages though... One, the eyeballs they do get tend to have much higher discretionary income. Most consumer brands are targeting that 18-35 demo. Financial services, pharma, luxury brands would much rather target the 50 y/o w/ high income and a golf addiction. Two, golf is a sport you can play for life. Most sports fans stop participating in said sport in high school, if not sooner. Sure you may play beer league softball and pick up basketball, but not into your 50's and your certainly not spending the same amount of money in those sports that a golf enthusiast spends in his. Sickos are buying new clubs every year, balls and gloves every few months. Their closets are mostly multipurpose golf/work gear. They pay green fees every week or a membership to a club. They plan mega golf trips at high end resorts. Etc.    

 

The professional viewing audience may be small, but the whole golf ecosystem is huge and well heeled. 

[jimecherry]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

Truth about 99% of the time. There’s a drive by troll or two I have on the ignore list and one or two others just so I can control what I want to respond too

personally i only block people that do name calling or people that often insult others.

[Duct Tape]

If I knew how to ignore someone I would have blocked @TiScape years ago!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just joking TS!!   🤓🫣🏌🏼‍♀️🚴