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On 5/12/2025 at 5:21 PM, TheKrushh said:

Highlands Ranch will blacklist you if you're shooting too many exceptional scores with too many poor scores on non-competitive rounds. I've seen it happen 3-4 times over the last 10 year or so.

Also, the first time I played their member guest, the guest in our group was a 15, started par, par, birdie, and then flew hole 4 in to the back bunker, hit a spinny flop shot on a downslope, and bitched because it didn't go in. After he shot a 75, they adjusted him to a 3 day 2. 

 

...........was the guest Ryan?  😃

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21 hours ago, CDM said:

 

...........was the guest Ryan?  😃

bahahaha, he could also fit that description 🤣 He made a guy fire his partner of 8 years last time

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I finally got to play some decent amount of golf this past weekend. Friday, my buddy and I had our team match play. I played mediocre on the front, shooting a 41, but turned things around on the back to shoot a 37. It was a pretty tight match the whole time, but we were up for a majority of it. We went into 18 up one, and I stuck my approach shot to 4 feet. Since all we needed was a push to win, I just tapped it to a kick-in length and thought we won. One of the guys from the other team then informed me that he popped on the hole so technically they won that one – his playing partner thought it was over too. Needless to say, I was pretty pissed, mostly at myself since the putt wasn't a hard one at all. So we go back to hole one and I’m still fuming, I hit a perfect tee shot, then stuff it to inside of 4ft and make the birdie putt. I’m glad we walked away with the win cause I’m not sure I would have been able to forgive myself for that one. Lesson learned.

 

I then had a tourney Saturday, and it was fairly similar. Struggled on the front for some reason, but then came alive for the back, shooting a 42/37 with too many 3-putts. All in all, a good weekend where I was pretty happy with my play. Swing is starting to feel good again.

 

I have my singles match play this coming weekend, so hopefully I can keep it rolling.

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1 hour ago, thaar said:

So we go back to hole one and I’m still fuming, I hit a perfect tee shot, then stuff it to inside of 4ft and make the birdie putt.

 

Shenanigans. No one can stick it to 4ft on that green unless it's under water. 😄

 

Congrats!

 

That said, I'm always careful to mark pops on the scorecard and triple-check to make sure.

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2 hours ago, pseudoswede said:

 

Shenanigans. No one can stick it to 4ft on that green unless it's under water. 😄

 

Congrats!

 

That said, I'm always careful to mark pops on the scorecard and triple-check to make sure.

 

I did mark pops on the scorecard, but forgot all about them at that moment. Silly move. I was actually pretty good at announcing them too, but completely spaced it getting caught up in the moment. 

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22 hours ago, BSI99 said:

Curious if anyone recommends and instructors for lessons in the Denver area? Around a 2-3 handicap looking to just add some consistency to my ball striking, hopefully improve some early extension stuff etc. 

 

I have not used him, but Ed Oldham at The Ranch is usually on every list that people throw out there.

 

I asked questions and vetted a bit and he stood out above many others for more dynamic things whereas many can handle the basic stuff.  Have a plan to take one from him and just let him "have at it" with 2 or 3 things for me to work on.

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2 hours ago, jda said:

 

I have not used him, but Ed Oldham at The Ranch is usually on every list that people throw out there.

 

I asked questions and vetted a bit and he stood out above many others for more dynamic things whereas many can handle the basic stuff.  Have a plan to take one from him and just let him "have at it" with 2 or 3 things for me to work on.

I've heard Ed's name come up before too. When are you planning to see him? I'm still recovering from injury so probably wouldn't get a lesson until July/August.

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1 hour ago, BSI99 said:

I've heard Ed's name come up before too. When are you planning to see him? I'm still recovering from injury so probably wouldn't get a lesson until July/August.

 

When I figure out if teenagers are going to be the death of me, or not.  Seriously, maybe later this year or even next year.  I am not at a place in life where I am going to practice and I have only played once in a month (kids killing me and the weather has been great), so anything that we talk about will need to be on-course, which I am capable of adapting my swing in real time to a change or two as long as it is not wholesale different.  My front shoulder is nearly all of my issue - had surgery 15 years ago and while it is totally healed, the prior decade of bad habits from pain have been slow to remove.

 

Asking around, most teacher/coaches are not dynamic enough to offer these type of things (some by their own admission), but the good ones are quite so.  His name was mentioned more than anybody else.  I am also in Longmont, so The Ranch is close enough to me that I stopped asking.

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When I figure out if teenagers are going to be the death of me, or not.  Seriously, maybe later this year or even next year.  I am not at a place in life where I am going to practice and I have only played once in a month (kids killing me and the weather has been great), so anything that we talk about will need to be on-course, which I am capable of adapting my swing in real time to a change or two as long as it is not wholesale different.  My front shoulder is nearly all of my issue - had surgery 15 years ago and while it is totally healed, the prior decade of bad habits from pain have been slow to remove.

 

Asking around, most teacher/coaches are not dynamic enough to offer these type of things (some by their own admission), but the good ones are quite so.  His name was mentioned more than anybody else.  I am also in Longmont, so The Ranch is close enough to me that I stopped asking.

Ya I had both my acl's replaced this winter so I'm really worried about engraving bad habits and avoiding my lower body now. Probably better to get ahead of it before it becomes muscle memory. 

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On 5/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, jda said:

I am going to be there with @CDM.  I don't think that I am going to carry a handicap anymore.  I never use it, so why bother?  CGA can still have my money since they seem to do good things with it.

 

You can tell who has a higher handicap and can go low.  There are folks who have all of the game and just don't care.  You know, the ones who scare you when they read a putt from both sides or kneel down to get a read... or actually get an accurate distance or look at the green to find the short side?  ...or tie their shoes.  These people don't shock you when they go low... they shock you when they shoot 80 and it could have been 74 if they cared.

 

IMO, dudes who used to be able to go low in the past are dangerous since they usually have it in them still.  Some day, Joel is going to be a -5, drop a 68 and the new people are going to wonder where it came from.

 

Sandbagging gets tougher at a club when folks know the course and the greens even if they don't care.

 

My Brothers club in KC can vote out sandbaggers from leagues and tournaments... and they do.  One guy just started to beat the hell out of a sandbagger a while back, no other members cared (encouraged it actually) and this scared the club, so they put in the rule that you can be banned for a year if enough folks vote you out.  He said that it helped a lot.

 

LOL at this one. I give Chappy a lot of s*** because he's a 2 now and I've seen him shoot 65 several times in my 5 years at Fox. Truth is, he plays to it now but as you said he has a much higher ceiling than most. I love the idea the KC club did. That s*** works!

 

On 5/8/2025 at 7:06 PM, Double Mocha Man said:

Am I missing something? Why would you sandbag to win a few hundred dollars straight out or of equipment? Why would you sandbag to win a tournament? How could you and your conscience feel good about the win? You probably already have a job to afford the golf, use your paycheck to buy equipment. And I think there are shops where you can buy trophies and have your name engraved on it.  If you need to brag about winning s***. Put those suckers on your mantle.

 

Amen on this one man. Truth is, there's a lot more people than you realize that can look themselves in the mirror just fine. It's less common at some clubs but there are known terrible ones. Broadlands is well known for an extreme sandy men's league.

 

On 5/8/2025 at 7:59 PM, Dancin said:

Interesting story about 20 years ago when Lindstrom used to play in the match play and tournaments at Walnut Creek before joining Lakewood. He went up against someone who didn't post all their scores and would always come out and shoot low 70s as about a 7 handicap. Lindstrom won but he was pissed since he was giving the guy something like 8 strokes and had to shoot a lights out 64 or so to win. So afterwards he contacts the people he knows at the CGA and gets them to revise the other guys handicap and put the exceptional score asterisk on him.

 

God I love Jon. He's a great dude and an insanely talented golfer.

 

On 5/9/2025 at 8:56 AM, jda said:

 

For me, this goes with the territory... those who want/need the number above anything else don't have the integrity that you speak of.  I don't get the golf welfare system at all.  If somebody is better than me, then they just deserve to win... no strokes and we can just play straight up and I will take my loss.  I always thought that instead of strokes, just play different tees and let things fall where they may if you must compete.

 

I have probably posted about this before, but almost two decades ago when podcasts started to become a thing, somebody like Freakanomics did a 2 year study of golfers.  Two groups all with access to teachers, facilities and training.  Group one played with no welfare and group two kept a number.  The first group cut their handicap in half, or less, and the second group stayed the same.  Handicap can sure be a handicap in many different ways.

 

I know that this opinion is unpopular so /tldr.

 

Y'all enjoy your weekend.

 

I absolutely see this all the time. I don't personally do it but I can understand that point of view. If men's league is as big as you will go then the incentives point to managing your handicap just as you mention here. However, I don't agree that we should play straight up because nobody would play outside of the top 10 players. Therefore, it has to be a middle choice and where do you draw that line?

 

IMO the overall system is great but breaks down with edge cases like myself. I literally donate money to my men's league because I like having fun and I sometimes win. However, I'm no doubt money negative in my men's league and money positive in CGA stuff. To me this is a reality that I accept.

 

There are ideas that can be done like 0 is as low as you can go but they all have tradeoffs too and I'm not sure the majority of golfers would agree on that.

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On 5/19/2025 at 10:37 AM, BSI99 said:

Curious if anyone recommends and instructors for lessons in the Denver area? Around a 2-3 handicap looking to just add some consistency to my ball striking, hopefully improve some early extension stuff etc. 

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Ya I had both my acl's replaced this winter so I'm really worried about engraving bad habits and avoiding my lower body now. Probably better to get ahead of it before it becomes muscle memory. 

 

Duuuuuuuude it's not an instructor you should be seeing, it's PT and/or TPI. I go to Ed myself and can definitely recommend him but he's definitely not perfect either.

 

I broke my pelvis 2.5 years ago and started early extending after that. I've been working on it this winter and the fix wasn't swing assistance, it was primarily a physical limitation issue. My internal rotation in my left leg (knee straight, rotate your toes towards your other leg) was terrible so since I couldn't rotate into my left leg my body compensated my pushing out my right. I would put my money on the fact that your problem is on a physical limitation over a swing issue.

 

I'm not sure where you live to recommend one but I go to a woman in Longmont who has been amazing. She did PT for at least the last ten years and recently got TPI level 1 certified. We have largely fixed the early extension and I've never swung it harder or hit it in the middle more often.

 

Ironically Ed wanted me to arch my back more in the downswing in my last lesson in January. I ended up asking Tanna about it and she said "TPI taught us that back issues are caused by two things: early extension and arching your back." So yeah, I'm basically ignoring that last lesson from Ed.

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3 hours ago, BSI99 said:

Ya I had both my acl's replaced this winter so I'm really worried about engraving bad habits and avoiding my lower body now. Probably better to get ahead of it before it becomes muscle memory. 

 

You even cleared for full-out dynamic activity?  That is like Adrian Peterson type of ACL recovery.  🙂   I hope it all goes well and that you heal fast.  I am NEVER having rotator cuff and labrum surgery again, so I take care to treat them well and still do all three parts of my deltoid and all of my inner/outer rotations and stuff.  Go slow and be careful.

 

At least in baseball, they tell you to listen to you lower body with all of this.  If it does not want to turn dynamically with the swing or fire out of the box towards first base, there is a reason.  Some athletes say that "they don't trust it yet" but it is their body telling them that they are not 100% yet.  I have never had ACL issues, but been around many who have and most of them say to embrace the slower journey... and don't ski.

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4 minutes ago, Joelness said:

EDIT: I somehow forgot to mention that I played The Hay also. The view there is insane and it's not worth $75 but when you get a group of 8 all playing together it's a RIOT and I enjoyed every minute of it.

 

I loved it too.  People bag on it and I don't know why... you know exactly what you are getting into when you walk up.  I hit every green (I think) and was under par - I don't care what anybody says, I am counting it as a under-par round in my mind.  Play The Hay, cocktails on the patio and then a money game on the putting green course... great time.

 

I could play Pebble Every day, but Spyglass is great too.  No need to ever play this Spanish Bay again - yuck.  Pebble is even better the more times that you play it.  Some folks bag on it that it only has half of the holes on the water, but I liked some of the off-water holes the best - 13 is the best hole that I have ever played - a masterpiece.  We played one tee too close for me at Spyglass and I thought that it was easy - I know that it is not easy.  Did not make that mistake at Pebble and you have to pick correctly so that you can play the hills, fairways and everything the "right" way - you want to hit that hill on 9 and have the ball roll down the hill towards the water, for example, be back and gamble with taking too much club on 8 so that you don't have two-hundo into that green.  I birdied 2 both days, 6, 7, 13, 15 and 18 between the days.  I still have beef with 1, 3, 8 and 16 and need to go back a few times to get this sorted.  I wanted to hit my second shot up on the hill on 6 and then hit a fade over the ocean on 18 and I got to do both - bucket list for sure.

 

I was at even at Spyglass and took a double or triple on 18.  That hole has to be the easiest looking hole to be so hard.  Probably 8-10 strokes different if we are back a tee or two.

 

Perhaps the best part is now I can watch the pros play Spy and Pebble and pass judgement on them... like I could do what they are doing.  🙂

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You even cleared for full-out dynamic activity?  That is like Adrian Peterson type of ACL recovery.  🙂   I hope it all goes well and that you heal fast.  I am NEVER having rotator cuff and labrum surgery again, so I take care to treat them well and still do all three parts of my deltoid and all of my inner/outer rotations and stuff.  Go slow and be careful.

 

At least in baseball, they tell you to listen to you lower body with all of this.  If it does not want to turn dynamically with the swing or fire out of the box towards first base, there is a reason.  Some athletes say that "they don't trust it yet" but it is their body telling them that they are not 100% yet.  I have never had ACL issues, but been around many who have and most of them say to embrace the slower journey... and don't ski.

Yeah my surgeon said he doesn't have an issue with me hitting short irons right now, but I'm not cleared for dynamic pivot activities that'll be another 3 months probably. Went to the range yesterday and took a few balls but fully committed to the turn and my swing was actually looking good. Luckily golf is WAYY less stressful on those ligaments than other sports (have you ever heard of someone tearing their acl from a golf swing) so the recovery isn't as long as it is if I want to go play soccer.

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15 hours ago, Joelness said:

 

Duuuuuuuude it's not an instructor you should be seeing, it's PT and/or TPI. I go to Ed myself and can definitely recommend him but he's definitely not perfect either.

 

I broke my pelvis 2.5 years ago and started early extending after that. I've been working on it this winter and the fix wasn't swing assistance, it was primarily a physical limitation issue. My internal rotation in my left leg (knee straight, rotate your toes towards your other leg) was terrible so since I couldn't rotate into my left leg my body compensated my pushing out my right. I would put my money on the fact that your problem is on a physical limitation over a swing issue.

 

I'm not sure where you live to recommend one but I go to a woman in Longmont who has been amazing. She did PT for at least the last ten years and recently got TPI level 1 certified. We have largely fixed the early extension and I've never swung it harder or hit it in the middle more often.

 

Ironically Ed wanted me to arch my back more in the downswing in my last lesson in January. I ended up asking Tanna about it and she said "TPI taught us that back issues are caused by two things: early extension and arching your back." So yeah, I'm basically ignoring that last lesson from Ed.

Oh believe me I've been seeing my PT religiously lol, rehabbing two acls at once is a lot of work. Actually saw a TPI guy a few weeks ago, funnily enough my lower body mobility is pretty decent. Gave me some should mobility stuff to work on.

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Wow. My PT session yesterday was strenuous and really loosened my shoulder. I had a follow-up with the orthopedic surgeon this morning, and I was actually able to make a full golf swing without any pain. Because of that, he cleared me for full activity--so long as I don't experience any sharp pains.

 

I'm heading to Family Sports in an hour with my kid to test it out.

 

And the results...

 

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I’m looking to put together a 2026 golf trip for a group, probably 12 guys for three or four days. I have a couple guys that are a bit stingy on price, so it can’t be Bandon expensive, but they won’t balk at spending a bit of money (one of them played TPC Sawgrass right before COVID). Roughly half of the group will be coming from Colorado and the other half Michigan. We haven’t decided on a time of year, so that is open. My buddy is also the superintendent at Pradera so he may be able to get us on at a private course too. So with that, what are some golf trips you’d recommend? 

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I’m looking to put together a 2026 golf trip for a group, probably 12 guys for three or four days. I have a couple guys that are a bit stingy on price, so it can’t be Bandon expensive, but they won’t balk at spending a bit of money (one of them played TPC Sawgrass right before COVID). Roughly half of the group will be coming from Colorado and the other half Michigan. We haven’t decided on a time of year, so that is open. My buddy is also the superintendent at Pradera so he may be able to get us on at a private course too. So with that, what are some golf trips you’d recommend? 

 

If you want to play somewhere kinda famous, then look at Kiawah and play the Ocean Course along with a handful of the Pointe Course.  This is expensive, but not Pebble or Bandon expensive.

 

For just a good trip that is Ok on price, St George is good with both Black Desert and Copper Rock hosting PGA stuff - no need to go to Mesquite anymore since Wolf Creek is a turd.  Tucson is good value for money - both of the Lowes Courses and Arizona National are good.  San Diego is always excellent if you want to do more than just golf - the city is amazing for me.  Palm Springs is a good time if you don't mind that the town shuts down at like 7:00.

 

Oahu at Turtle Bay is on the pricier side, but also amazing golf and vacation... other than the long flight.

 

Anymore RTJ Trail is boring to me, but many like it still.  Myrtle and Hilton Head are kinda played out for me - too expensive for what you get.  I was not huge on Horseshoe Bay in Texas, but a lot of our guys loved it - I always like Austin and the food was amazing.

 

If the dudes are not banned from Mexico, both Cabo and Playa have all-inclusive stuff with transportation from airport and courses for reasonable prices.  We did Cabo this year at Los Cabos, Quivira, Solmar and Cabo Del Sol and it was not expensive and non-stop on Southwest from Denver - something like $1700 for the lodging, food, transportation and golf for 5 nights.  Have done cancun/play before at Mayakoba, the Omnis, Riveria Maya, Chamelon and many others - fly into Cozumel instead of Cancun and have them get you off of the ferry... so much less busy.

 

I really liked Paradise Island and playing The Ocean Club (where James Bond plays golf, you know), the food and the beach/ocean.  Southwest is also non-stop to Nassau.

 

Pick an area and call somebody like Golf Zoo and see what they can offer for both lodging and golf.

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I’m looking to put together a 2026 golf trip for a group, probably 12 guys for three or four days. I have a couple guys that are a bit stingy on price, so it can’t be Bandon expensive, but they won’t balk at spending a bit of money (one of them played TPC Sawgrass right before COVID). Roughly half of the group will be coming from Colorado and the other half Michigan. We haven’t decided on a time of year, so that is open. My buddy is also the superintendent at Pradera so he may be able to get us on at a private course too. So with that, what are some golf trips you’d recommend? 

 

RTJ is a great option and can get some really good package deals.  Done it a number of times. 

 

Personal preference, but we just base in one spot.  You can move around but with 12 that could be pain.  We rent a VRBO and just do the 45min - 1 hour drive back/forth to each place. 

 

Packing each day and checking in / out of places after doing that 3-4 straight days becomes a pain.  At least for our group having done that before. We would rather just drive.

 

If you dont like driving just rent a place at each location.  Driving is the subjective part but I live 2 miles from MC and that can take me 15-20 mins if Gun Club is jammed up... /sad

 

Last time we based in Auburn which was great options for food, etc. but Montgomery is probably the best option if "based" in one location. 

 

Highly recommend the 3 below:  CH is like 20 min drive depending on where you stay. GN/CR would be an hour. 

 

Grand National (36) courses in Auburn  

Capital Hill (54) in Pratville (Montgomery) has 54 holes.

Cambrian Ridge (27) in Greenville.  

 

In carts so we typically book 36 a day as replay rate is good and we are not on a site seeing trip.

 

If your group is 18 a day and dont mind some "warmth" go to Pinehurst in late August / early September as you can catch realy good package deals during that time and the golf is excellent.   Edit: Pinehurst has some great privates to your buddy could try for.  RTJ trips have never tried to get on privates. 

 

Last option..........do a one week NZD/AUS golf trip with @Dancin   

*Promise you will not hurt for a few weeks after from the none stop golf 😂

 

 

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Awesome, thanks for the input guys! I'm sure Dancin (that isn't NZD 🤣) and Joel will have some good rec's too. 

 

I would love to do RTJ, but I know these guys won't want to relocate or have a decent drive each day. 

 

Also got a good laugh on if they're not banned from Mexico...anything is possible 🤣

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Also got a good laugh on if they're not banned from Mexico...anything is possible 🤣

 

When we went to Cabo this year, three or four of our normal guys did not go.  They would never say why, but we liked to imagine their faces on the wall of the building of the Federales, like this guy...

 

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On 5/20/2025 at 5:51 PM, Joelness said:

 

 

I'm not sure where you live to recommend one but I go to a woman in Longmont who has been amazing. She did PT for at least the last ten years and recently got TPI level 1 certified. We have largely fixed the early extension and I've never swung it harder or hit it in the middle more often.

 

Would be open to providing the name of this person in Longmont? Interested in TPI and some exercises to keep things in good shape.

 

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21 hours ago, thaar said:

Awesome, thanks for the input guys! I'm sure Dancin (that isn't NZD 🤣) and Joel will have some good rec's too. 

 

I would love to do RTJ, but I know these guys won't want to relocate or have a decent drive each day. 

 

Also got a good laugh on if they're not banned from Mexico...anything is possible 🤣

 

I don't feel like I have a lot of great recommendations on this one. Bandon is the best trip I've done, Pebble second. Outside of that I haven't done a lot of pure golf trips with groups. Hiltonhead was overrated outside of Chechessee Creek that we got to play and ran into Kisner and Chappel. Most of my favorite trips are my regulars: Ballyneal, Tucson, and New Smyrna Beach FL. 

 

I still have a few on my bucket list: Whistling Straights, Kiawah, Bethpage, RTJ trail, the one in FL I can't remember the name.

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