Cobra King 3DP Tour

[MiloMalt]

11 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

My guess is spin.

 

i hit them on a day I was hitting a couple other irons.  With the my normal swing they didn’t spin enough, went 12 yards longer than the other two irons and had some knuckley flights that gave me worse dispersion.  I also noticed that when I hit the other irons, I had done some swing things unintentionally to increase dynamic loft cause the 3dp was coming out so hot.

 

i do think they are the best at maintaining launch angle and ballspeed of anything it’s size, they just need to make them spin about 1000 revs more per club 

I would imagine the better players picking up these irons would bend them maybe 2 degrees weak as the extra distance is not needed but the spin is. 2 degrees weak also puts them in line with other players irons lofts.

[JoeFrigo]

29 minutes ago, golfmatt said:

My golf spy test was interesting, struggling to understand how it had such a bad score for forgiveness compared to other better players irons.

because MGS is a joke and their tests are a waste of time

[JoeFrigo]

7 minutes ago, MiloMalt said:

I would imagine the better players picking up these irons would bend them maybe 2 degrees weak as the extra distance is not needed but the spin is. 2 degrees weak also puts them in line with other players irons lofts.

i weakened mine 1* to get more spin. Im pretty shallow so ive always been high launch and low spin with irons.

 

i didnt read the MGS test but I could say without a doubt these are the most forgiving irons out

[TheOverratedPhotog]

7 minutes ago, JoeFrigo said:

because MGS is a joke and their tests are a waste of time

I only discovered recently that the forum tests and so called front page “tests” are run by different groups.
The forums tend to be honest, the main page posts are probably a bunch of referral link mining activities so they are mostly based on popular irons winning to maximise referral income. I.e. you’d rather get commission off 10 people buying the T200 than 2 people buying the 3DP irons. 

[Pnwpingi210]

14 minutes ago, MiloMalt said:

I would imagine the better players picking up these irons would bend them maybe 2 degrees weak as the extra distance is not needed but the spin is. 2 degrees weak also puts them in line with other players irons lofts.

That might have helped.  We are talking 5k range of spin for a 7 iron.  The p790 was higher than that.

my take is if you a good ball striker, you’ll probably take a pass on these as other irons will get you enough ball speed retention and more spin.  The king tour is plenty foregiving for a pretty good ball striker

 

if you a low handicap, but maybe not the best ball striker they probably going to help gain some strokes.

 

 

[TheOverratedPhotog]

1 minute ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

That might have helped.  We are talking 5k range of spin for a 7 iron.  The p790 was higher than that.

my take is if you a good ball striker, you’ll probably take a pass on these as other irons will get you enough ball speed retention and more spin.  The king tour is plenty foregiving for a pretty good ball striker

 

if you a low handicap, but maybe not the best ball striker they probably going to help gain some strokes.

 

 

I fall into the latter category. I’m a very straight hitter, generally manage to square the face pretty well with a straight club path, but my striking isn’t as middle as I would like, in part due to the level of astigmatism I have. As a result, I’ve had my lowest competition scores (74) since I got back into golf 3 years ago with these clubs.

[JoeFrigo]

33 minutes ago, TheOverratedPhotog said:

I only discovered recently that the forum tests and so called front page “tests” are run by different groups.
The forums tend to be honest, the main page posts are probably a bunch of referral link mining activities so they are mostly based on popular irons winning to maximise referral income. I.e. you’d rather get commission off 10 people buying the T200 than 2 people buying the 3DP irons. 

The tests are just so inconsistent. Ping and Titleist drivers on 2 year cycles usually get in multiple years of their driver testing. I think it was one of the Ping's that won driver of the year and was first in forgiveness, then the following year it was like 10th best driver and bottom of the list in forgiveness

 

and i agree the people commenting typically trash their lists as well. I maybe go on their site 5x a year but i dont take any value in to their testing of clubs

[Pnwpingi210]

2 hours ago, TheOverratedPhotog said:

I fall into the latter category. I’m a very straight hitter, generally manage to square the face pretty well with a straight club path, but my striking isn’t as middle as I would like, in part due to the level of astigmatism I have. As a result, I’ve had my lowest competition scores (74) since I got back into golf 3 years ago with these clubs.

Yup, that makes sense.

 

For me, they already apex at 135 at stock loft and fly a full club farther and spin a club and half less. Bending weak a couple degrees gets me back some spin but adds height to an already high stock shot. No thanks.

 

i think if your 120 ish ball speed or under in the 7 iron with these they have enough height to stop and are probably what you’ve been looking for you whole life.  I also think the latest version of the p790 gets 95% of the performance for half the cost.

[vanderputts]

When I adjusted and rebuilt my 3DP set, I was able to bring spin numbers way up.

 

• Bent slightly weak and flat. 
• Changing out the KBS $ Tapers to PX 6.0, etc.
• Removing the nickel coating and adding black oxide finish to the bare SS

 

All brought spin #s way up to standard while keeping forgiveness and launch.

 

Plenty of data points here:

 

 

Edited June 13 by vanderputts

[Pnwpingi210]

26 minutes ago, vanderputts said:

When I adjusted and rebuilt my 3DP set, I was able to bring spin numbers way up.

 

• Bent slightly weak and flat. 
• Changing out the KBS $ Tapers to PX 6.0, etc.
• Removing the nickel coating and adding black oxide finish to the bare SS

 

All brought spin #s way up to standard while keeping forgiveness and launch.

 

Plenty of data points here:

 

 

That aligns with what I said.  7 iron around 125 ball speed these are fine.

 

i was getting low 140s ball speed and around 5k spin at stock 7 iron( I generally delfot my irons well and 135 peak height.
 

 That the equivalent of a hotter players cb 6 iron with around 1k less spin, or a my p7tw 5 iron bent a degree weak.  Both of these have a much flatter flight 

[dmecca2]

Fitter had these at the range yesterday. While they looked and felt great, they still had that same problem that hollow body irons face. Low spin numbers caused distance inconsistency. Definitely not for me. I would say that if you already play hollow body irons then these are going to be a better version of them. 

[m_w]

35 minutes ago, dmecca2 said:

Fitter had these at the range yesterday. While they looked and felt great, they still had that same problem that hollow body irons face. Low spin numbers caused distance inconsistency. Definitely not for me. I would say that if you already play hollow body irons then these are going to be a better version of them. 

I think this is the first time i hear inconsistent and Limit3d/3DP in one sentence. They are also not hollowbody. Literally all testing I've seen points out the incredible consistency these irons have. Not trying to invalidate your experience but it's def. an outlier

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, m_w said:

I think this is the first time i hear inconsistent and Limit3d/3DP in one sentence. They are also not hollowbody. Literally all testing I've seen points out the incredible consistency these irons have. Not trying to invalidate your experience but it's def. an outlier

They are hollow.  Look at the cut in half demo heads.  That lattice structure serves the same purpose as a speed foam or goo.

[m_w]

Just now, Pnwpingi210 said:

They are hollow.  Look at the cut in half demo heads.  That lattice structure serves the same purpose as a speed foam or goo.

Sorry but that is factually not correct. There are a few great videos on youtube with the Cobra R&D team talking about the construction and purpose.

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, m_w said:

Sorry but that is factually not correct. There are a few great videos on youtube with the Cobra R&D team talking about the construction and purpose.

They are hollow.  That’s a fact.  
 

[m_w]

Foam/Goo is there to make the face springy. The matrix structure is against the face; the purpose is to reposition as much weight as possible which isn't doable with traditional manufacturing vs. metal 3d printing. The matrix structure, based on the engineering talks, offers the same/similar amount of rigidity as a forged iron with the added benefit of freeing up a huge amount of mass.

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, m_w said:

Foam/Goo is there to make the face springy. The matrix structure is against the face; the purpose is to reposition as much weight as possible which isn't doable with traditional manufacturing vs. metal 3d printing. The matrix structure, based on the engineering talks, offers the same/similar amount of rigidity as a forged iron with the added benefit of freeing up a huge amount of mass.

It’s hollow.  

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, m_w said:

Foam/Goo is there to make the face springy. The matrix structure is against the face; the purpose is to reposition as much weight as possible which isn't doable with traditional manufacturing vs. metal 3d printing. The matrix structure, based on the engineering talks, offers the same/similar amount of rigidity as a forged iron with the added benefit of freeing up a huge amount of mass.

Also foam and goo doesn’t make the face springy.  It’s for sound and acoustics purposes.  
 

your just making things up to suit your bias or narrative.

 

also, did I mention it’s hollow?

[m_w]

5 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Also foam and goo doesn’t make the face springy.  It’s for sound and acoustics purposes.  
 

your just making things up to suit your bias or narrative.

 

also, did I mention it’s hollow?

Did you watch any of the videos? Or do you wanna keep mentioning that it's hollow? The narrative you spinning is "A stock is a stock" - yes NVDA and BRK.B are both stocks but do very different things with very different intentions and outcomes. The design intention of the product is not hollow. Is there air in there? Yes. My original comment was specifically re: consistency and a comparison to "Hollowbody Irons" which have the intent to increase ballspeed.

Edited June 13 by m_w

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, m_w said:

Did you watch any of the videos? Or do you wanna keep mentioning that it's hollow? The narrative you spinning is "A stock is a stock" - yes NVDA and BRK.B are both stocks but do very different things with very different intentions and outcomes. The design intention of the product is not hollow. Is there air in there? Yes. My originally comment was specifically re: consistency and a comparison to "Hollowbody Irons" which have the intent to increase ballspeed.

You said they aren’t hollow body. 
I posted a picture showing they are hollow, it’s a picture from cobra.

 

design intention?  What does that mean?

 

the design outcome, meaning the production model is hollow (see pic above).

 

your using marketing speak from a manufacture.  These are the same manufactures that claim longer and forgiving every year.

 

im sticking to facts.  
 

its a hollow iron.  It’s does similar things, albeit better, than other hollow irons.

 

also the goo or foam other manufactures irons is there for acoustical and feel purposes, not to make the face faster (that’s achieved via the face materials and thickness).  This is also fact.  (They market it as speed foam cause it sounds better, no pun intended, to the consumer)

[dmecca2]

21 minutes ago, m_w said:

I think this is the first time i hear inconsistent and Limit3d/3DP in one sentence. They are also not hollowbody. Literally all testing I've seen points out the incredible consistency these irons have. Not trying to invalidate your experience but it's def. an outlier

Ya maybe they wanna talk to their fitters then. He said it’s hollow body, but they’re able to distribute the weighting better because of the 3D printing. Also that picture is pretty damning. That’s hollow.
 

Regardless, it’s better than a traditional hollow body club. But the downsides of hollow body construction are still present. 

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, dmecca2 said:

Ya maybe they wanna talk to their fitters then. He said it’s hollow body, but they’re able to distribute the weighting better because of the 3D printing. Also that picture is pretty damning. That’s hollow.
 

Regardless, it’s better than a traditional hollow body club. But the downsides of hollow body construction are still present. 

You get it!

[TheOverratedPhotog]

They have a lattice structure that results in them having the same rigidity as a solid structure. Engineers have been using it for years. So it may be semi-hollow but it acts the same as a solid chunk of metal. 
 

They are also not inconsistent in distance. The tests I saw of face hits had them more consistent than any face on the market at the moment in terms of where the ball is hit in the face, distance variances and spin variances. 
 

As someone who has been playing them since the limit3d came out, I can also say from personally experience that the distance and spin variables are not an issue. Low spin maybe, but that is still consistent. 

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, TheOverratedPhotog said:

They have a lattice structure that results in them having the same rigidity as a solid structure. Engineers have been using it for years. So it may be semi-hollow but it acts the same as a solid chunk of metal. 
 

They are also not inconsistent in distance. The tests I saw of face hits had them more consistent than any face on the market at the moment in terms of where the ball is hit in the face, distance variances and spin variances. 
 

As someone who has been playing them since the limit3d came out, I can also say from personally experience that the distance and spin variables are not an issue. Low spin maybe, but that is still consistent. 

It’s hollow, see picture.

 

 

its ok to say its hollow when its hollow.  In fact im a proponent of more people playing hollow irons like the t200, p790, various pxgs,  cobra 3dp, etc and removing the stigma surrounding them.  People would hit more greens and have more fun.

[TheFrozenChef]

Well it's hollow but the lattice puts it in a different category than other hollowbodies. 

 

Coming from an apex TCB bent 1 degree strong, I weakened mine 2 degrees and find that more comfortable. May even go one degree weaker to 34? But I'm currently enjoying the 5-7 yards extra distance so far from my gamers. 

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, TheFrozenChef said:

Well it's hollow but the lattice puts it in a different category than other hollowbodies. 

 

Coming from an apex TCB bent 1 degree strong, I weakened mine 2 degrees and find that more comfortable. May even go one degree weaker to 34? But I'm currently enjoying the 5-7 yards extra distance so far from my gamers. 

lol.   
 

yes, it makes them cost 💯% more while still being hollow.

 

[m_w]

28 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

lol.   
 

yes, it makes them cost 💯% more while still being hollow.

 

 

Man you have some issues, reading up on dogma would lead to some positive outcomes. It's unfortunate that a discussion about an interesting technology gets derailed by a single person repeating themselves 20x

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, TheOverratedPhotog said:

I think he’s being a jackass because he’s been called out for complete bull about the inconsistency of the irons. Anyone who actually seen somebody testing these would know that is correct
 

A hollow body is not the same as a lattice. He’s using distraction to get away from the fact that he was caught out.

What on earth are you talking about?  Please explain if you going  to call me out.

 

I said they are too low spin for me, my delivered dynamic loft, and swing speed.  Others of similar impact dynamics have expressed similar things in this thread
 

I also said that if you have a ballspeed of say 120-125 or less with the 3dp 7 iron, these probably have enough height to stop fine and are the clubs you’ve been looking for your entire life.  
 

I also said I don’t think there is a club that maintains ball speed and launch across the face in as small of a package as these.

 

these are all the subjective things I’ve said.

 

now to the facts.

 

 They are hollow.  Lattice, foam, goo ….different oems fill the hollow cavity with different things.

 

the foam and goo doesn’t increase ball speed, it’s used for acoustic and feel purposes.  They market it as speed foam because it sounds better to the consumer than feel or sound foam.

 

[TheOverratedPhotog]

7 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

What on earth are you talking about?  Please explain if you going  to call me out.

 

I said they are too low spin for me, my delivered dynamic loft, and swing speed.  Others of similar impact dynamics have expressed similar things in this thread
 

I also said that if you have a ballspeed of say 120-125 or less with the 3dp 7 iron, these probably have enough height to stop fine and are the clubs you’ve been looking for your entire life.  
 

I also said I don’t think there is a club that maintains ball speed and launch across the face in as small of a package as these.

 

these are all the subjective things I’ve said.

 

now to the facts.

 

 They are hollow.  Lattice, foam, goo ….different oems fill the hollow cavity with different things.

 

the foam and goo doesn’t increase ball speed, it’s used for acoustic and feel purposes.  They market it as speed foam because it sounds better to the consumer than feel or sound foam.

 

you also said the distance numbers were very inconsistent, which is bull and show you haven’t actually seen or tested them. 
 

that is a fact, it’s been tested and proven. 
 

that also doesn’t align to a hollow body which shows that there’s a big difference

Edited June 13 by TheOverratedPhotog

[MountainMan]

I would argue these are semi-hollow. The construction with the lattice connecting everything is very different than other hollow body irons and is not the same as adding foam.