This is my new thing.. early extension

[upanddown]

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mark-blackburn-steal-from-pros-push-your-butt-back

 

I know there are pros that say don't worry about it but I have so many data points that is what causes inconsistencies.  My issue is I seem to get in a scrunched position at impact and have to work on the pushing up motion through impact.  appreciate comments.

[RayPlan]

57 minutes ago, upanddown said:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mark-blackburn-steal-from-pros-push-your-butt-back

 

I know there are pros that say don't worry about it but I have so many data points that is what causes inconsistencies.  My issue is I seem to get in a scrunched position at impact and have to work on the pushing up motion through impact.  appreciate comments.

The linked article is bad because it really doesn't describe why early extension happens and the quick fixes it prescribes don't get at any of the root causes. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever read on the subject.

[getitdaily]

13 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

The linked article is bad because it really doesn't describe why early extension happens and the quick fixes it prescribes don't get at any of the root causes. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever read on the subject.

It's not a bad article. It leaves out root cause stuff but the downswing stuff he notes is valid...

[GoGoErky]

28 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

The linked article is bad because it really doesn't describe why early extension happens and the quick fixes it prescribes don't get at any of the root causes. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever read on the subject.

Standing closer is way to general and in many cases will lead to bad movement patterns because the golfer is now crowded at setup. 

[RayPlan]

5 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Standing closer is way to general and in many cases will lead to bad movement patterns because the golfer is now crowded at setup. 

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

 

 

 

[wagolfer7]

7 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

 

 

 

Tiger likes that feel to push your butt back. He's got a video on it. 

 

But I'm sure you guys know more than the number #1 ranked golf digest pga pro who works with top pga players and Tiger Woods do. 

 

 

 

 

[golferdude54]

11 minutes ago, wagolfer7 said:

Tiger likes that feel to push your butt back. He's got a video on it. 

 

But I'm sure you guys know more than the number #1 ranked golf digest pga pro who works with top pga players and Tiger Woods do. 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't know where you're getting that #1 ranking from. They're not in the top 50 nationally ranked in Golf Digest and they're ranked #8 in Florida. And most golfers can't rely on the same feels and drills that Tiger did from their swings.

[Dabetic]

28 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

 

 

 

Came to say this. Would you like to keep the hips back? Yes. Is simply focusing on that helpful/productive? Almost certainly no. Been there...

 

A lot of what happens in the golf swing is an effect and not a cause. I continually go back earlier in the chain and see what I can solve before diving right at the issue

[wagolfer7]

8 minutes ago, golferdude54 said:

 

Don't know where you're getting that #1 ranking from. They're not in the top 50 nationally ranked in Golf Digest and they're ranked #8 in Florida. And most golfers can't rely on the same feels and drills that Tiger did from their swings.

Mark Blackburn is #1 in Alabama and 2025 #1 overall.  

 

Also we use the Justin Rose drill all the time for regular golfers. And himself, Tiger, Paddy and Bryson have all shown similar to pushing the butt back.  

 

Is it the magic cure for everyone? Absolutely not.  Is it the worst instruction in history? No.  It's an exaggeration feel that is not that far off from what's happening. It's a helpful feel and information for some. 

[MK7Golf21]

39 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

 

 

 

good video, haven’t seen that one in awhile. 

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, RayPlan said:

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

 

 

 

Yep

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

1 hour ago, wagolfer7 said:

Mark Blackburn is #1 in Alabama and 2025 #1 overall.  

 

Also we use the Justin Rose drill all the time for regular golfers. And himself, Tiger, Paddy and Bryson have all shown similar to pushing the butt back.  

 

Is it the magic cure for everyone? Absolutely not.  Is it the worst instruction in history? No.  It's an exaggeration feel that is not that far off from what's happening. It's a helpful feel and information for some. 

Push butt back?  No idea how to do that, but there is a Greg Rose TPI video where he mentions that pushing back hard with the lead foot is a great way to avoid EE. 

 

Timing is everything, of course.

[RayPlan]

1 hour ago, wagolfer7 said:

Is it the magic cure for everyone? Absolutely not.  Is it the worst instruction in history? No.  It's an exaggeration feel that is not that far off from what's happening. It's a helpful feel and information for some. 

You've hit on exactly the problem with dispensing tips like this, because the article portrays it as universal advice that "the pros do," therefore it should work for everyone, and you only need to do one simple thing. This is just low effort, space-filling content for the publication. 

[A.Princey]

I’ve learned to accept my EE, it does help face stability through the impact zone. What I lose in club head speed I gain in club face control. I don’t think I could ever get used to a late release, it would feel too loose and unpredictable. 
 

 

[DaveLeeNC]

3 hours ago, RayPlan said:

It also talks about "pushing your butt back," which is no good

 

3 hours ago, wagolfer7 said:

Tiger likes that feel to push your butt back. He's got a video on it. 

 

But I'm sure you guys know more than the number #1 ranked golf digest pga pro who works with top pga players and Tiger Woods do. 

 

If you are one of those (common) golfers whose first move in the transition is the spin your shoulders and throw the club outside, and then you SOMEHOW manage to "push your butt back", words just cannot describe how bad the outcome is going to be. 

 

dave

[MonteScheinblum]

1 minute ago, DaveLeeNC said:

 

 

If you are one of those (common) golfers whose first move in the transition is the spin your shoulders and throw the club outside, and then you SOMEHOW manage to "push your butt back", words just cannot describe how bad the outcome is going to be. 

 

dave

Correct

[upanddown]

3 hours ago, GoGoErky said:

Standing closer is way to general and in many cases will lead to bad movement patterns because the golfer is now crowded at setup. 

 

Seems to work pretty well for Scotty Scheffler.. he's practically on top of the ball.

[otto6457]

19 minutes ago, upanddown said:

 

Seems to work pretty well for Scotty Scheffler.. he's practically on top of the ball.

 

And Moe Norman stood a LONG ways away from the ball and it worked pretty well for him.

 

How do you decide which movement pattern is what you need to improve your EE?

 

 

 

 

 

[wagolfer7]

3 hours ago, RayPlan said:

You've hit on exactly the problem with dispensing tips like this, because the article portrays it as universal advice that "the pros do," therefore it should work for everyone, and you only need to do one simple thing. This is just low effort, space-filling content for the publication. 

Do you think he's never had any success with this tip? Do you think no student of his showed improvement with this tip? You think he just threw out a random tip, that he had no proven record on it working in some situations? 

 

Again I'm not saying it's the best tip, especially for everyone.  But to call it one of the worst in history is a stretch. 

[RayPlan]

4 hours ago, wagolfer7 said:

Do you think he's never had any success with this tip? Do you think no student of his showed improvement with this tip? You think he just threw out a random tip, that he had no proven record on it working in some situations? 

 

Again I'm not saying it's the best tip, especially for everyone.  But to call it one of the worst in history is a stretch. 

 

I didn't call it the worst in history, I said the article was one of the worst I've ever seen on the subject of early extension. But I'm not omnisicient, I'm just a 35 year old who has read things about EE, seen videos, and otherwise heard plenty about it. Based on all that, I gave my opinion that it was a very weak article.

[GoGoErky]

7 hours ago, upanddown said:

 

Seems to work pretty well for Scotty Scheffler.. he's practically on top of the ball.

And how many hours a day has he had to work on his swing and continue to work on it? 
 

Jim furyk had a lot of success with his swing. Yet nobody is teaching that to students. Can’t use outliers to justify something. It’s easier to do what the 148 out of 150 do than what the other 2 do.

 

 

[getitdaily]

8 hours ago, otto6457 said:

 

And Moe Norman stood a LONG ways away from the ball and it worked pretty well for him.

 

How do you decide which movement pattern is what you need to improve your EE?

 

 

 

 

 

Easy...Tri-all and error.

[getitdaily]

8 hours ago, DaveLeeNC said:

 

 

If you are one of those (common) golfers whose first move in the transition is the spin your shoulders and throw the club outside, and then you SOMEHOW manage to "push your butt back", words just cannot describe how bad the outcome is going to be. 

 

dave

Almost as though, with the golf swing being a complicated amalgamation of matchups, there are only a few things that are true wreckers. Everything else is a matter of how well you mitigate imperfection.

[CoreyW1369]

9 hours ago, DaveLeeNC said:

 

 

If you are one of those (common) golfers whose first move in the transition is the spin your shoulders and throw the club outside, and then you SOMEHOW manage to "push your butt back", words just cannot describe how bad the outcome is going to be. 

 

dave

 

This is me for the most part. That's why I'm working on the lower body movement - so it's the focus of my intent and my upper body seems to respond better to that. 

 

Paddy gives similar advice here but not in the context of EE:

 

 

[Valtiel]

12 hours ago, upanddown said:

 

Seems to work pretty well for Scotty Scheffler.. he's practically on top of the ball.

 

12 hours ago, otto6457 said:

 

And Moe Norman stood a LONG ways away from the ball and it worked pretty well for him.

 

How do you decide which movement pattern is what you need to improve your EE?

Exactly. Scottie massively loads his front side and *ejects* himself backwards away from the ball to such extent that the Scheffler Shuffle was born. If you're going to look at Scottie's address position then you have to consider *how* he makes that work. If you gave his address position the lower body move of say, Louis Oosthuizen, you'd likely never know his name. 

Edited June 5 by Valtiel

[upanddown]

To be honest, I'm less concerned about the merits of Mark Blackburn's article more interested in thoughts, opinions on early extension being a major contributor to both loss of distance and consistency.  

 

I probably should add I'm a 10hcp.  My tendency is to lift, shallow approach too much from inside w my hands moving out to the ball.

Edited June 6 by upanddown

[Milk Diesel]

EE pops up for me occasionally. Kills my back cause I also end up dropping my right shoulder and tilt backwards as i do it.

 

Mines the opposite of most people. I get Stuck UNDER plane by a large amount from an inside takeaway and have to EE so the club doesnt hit the ground behind the ball.

 

So if i focused on my right hip back i WOULD slam into the ground. I always find its something in my takeaway or open clubface that's causing it. 

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, upanddown said:

To be honest, I'm less concerned about the merits of Mark Blackburn's article more interested in thoughts, opinions on early extension being a major contributor to both loss of distance and consistency.  

 

I probably should add I'm a 10hcp.  My tendency is to lift, shallow approach too much from inside w my hands moving out to the ball.

It's a major swing flaw. You can play from an inside takeaway. You can play from an outside takeaway. You can play from an somewhat steep or somewhat inside transition. 

 

It's really hard to play well with EE. 

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, upanddown said:

To be honest, I'm less concerned about the merits of Mark Blackburn's article more interested in thoughts, opinions on early extension being a major contributor to both loss of distance and consistency.  

 

I probably should add I'm a 10hcp.  My tendency is to lift, shallow approach too much from inside w my hands moving out to the ball.

If you didn’t EE you would hit the ball worse than you do now. EE is needed in your swing to make contact. The too far from inside can cause a two way miss. Leave the face open and you get all the weak right shots, close it too fast and there’s your hook city miss.

 

It can have varying levels of effect on speed. Compares to a better swing it will cause drop in speed compared to a better sequenced swing. Face control becomes harder so that’s where the lack of consistency comes in.

 

you need to address the reason why you EE which probably starts in your takeaway and how the hips and torso are rotating 

[upanddown]

Oh I can not EE.. when I don't, the swing feels out to in to me but as long as a keep the club behind me..by feeling like I start downswing w hips, and keep shoulders closed, I hit it much more solid.  I toy around w different swings or swing thoughts,  even mid round.

 

Larry Rinker is okay w it as part of his upper core model.