The "revere slot" takeaway

[JetPilot]

Setting the club properly at P3 has always been a struggle for me. A friend of mine who is a really good golfer has what I would consider an inside takeaway. I've always wondered how he is such a good ball striker with that inside takeaway. He suggested that I needed more depth in my swing and I've been experimenting with the reverse slot takeaway to establish depth early in the swing. From there I feel like I can set my wrists well and establish a good top position on plane. I've been surprised how much better I set the club and my ball striking and distance has been much improved. I don't feel like I'm snatching the club inside, and the clubhead is not significantly inside my hands. As I've studied this, the old timers (Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Leitzke) and even some more modern golfers (Fitzpatrick) had this move. 

 

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way? Again, the main benefit for me is establishing wrist set. When I swing "on plane" at P2/P3 I just cannot get my wrists to set properly. 

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

I'm sorry to say this, but the answer is not to use an outlier move that is much harder to sequence, but to learn to set the wrists correctly. This is a pathway to loads of compensations not good golf. 

 

Edit: I haven't seen your swing, but be careful taking advice from people who seem to make a bad move work for them. You haven't mentioned his index. Is he demonstrably good or just better than you? Big difference. Even so, depth in the swing is not the same as yanking the club inside and then contriving it up to P4. 

Edited July 5 by TheDeanAbides

[JetPilot]

Let me ask this question, what compensations are Jones, Hogan, Nelson making in their swings? Not being trivial, honestly curious. I'm guessing the answer is that their moves rely on timing, hand eye coordination and don't hold up under pressure?

[GoGoErky]

42 minutes ago, JetPilot said:

Setting the club properly at P3 has always been a struggle for me. A friend of mine who is a really good golfer has what I would consider an inside takeaway. I've always wondered how he is such a good ball striker with that inside takeaway. He suggested that I needed more depth in my swing and I've been experimenting with the reverse slot takeaway to establish depth early in the swing. From there I feel like I can set my wrists well and establish a good top position on plane. I've been surprised how much better I set the club and my ball striking and distance has been much improved. I don't feel like I'm snatching the club inside, and the clubhead is not significantly inside my hands. As I've studied this, the old timers (Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Leitzke) and even some more modern golfers (Fitzpatrick) had this move. 

 

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way? Again, the main benefit for me is establishing wrist set. When I swing "on plane" at P2/P3 I just cannot get my wrists to set properly. 

 

 

There could be a number of reasons for having wrist set issues. Your grip could be incorrect. You could be rolling the hands and wrists.

 

It can become a good fix til it doesn’t.

Without videos of your old swing and swing using the inside takeaway it’s hard to say what the downswing side is or could be.

 

i agree with @TheDeanAbides

 

 

[GoGoErky]

4 minutes ago, JetPilot said:

Let me ask this question, what compensations are Jones, Hogan, Nelson making in their swings? Not being trivial, honestly curious. I'm guessing the answer is that their moves rely on timing, hand eye coordination and don't hold up under pressure?

There is timing in all swings, but this is a good question. Because getting inside usually leads to an ott move and then some compensation to shallow and get to the ball. They also spent hours upon hours working on the swing to make it work. Those are hours that most regular people don’t have.

 

The misapplied one piece takeaway and and inside takeaway have a lot of commonality 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CukD6VzsSKy/?igsh=Y203bHduaHd0bzk=

 

Edited July 5 by GoGoErky

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, JetPilot said:

Setting the club properly at P3 has always been a struggle for me. A friend of mine who is a really good golfer has what I would consider an inside takeaway. I've always wondered how he is such a good ball striker with that inside takeaway. He suggested that I needed more depth in my swing and I've been experimenting with the reverse slot takeaway to establish depth early in the swing. From there I feel like I can set my wrists well and establish a good top position on plane. I've been surprised how much better I set the club and my ball striking and distance has been much improved. I don't feel like I'm snatching the club inside, and the clubhead is not significantly inside my hands. As I've studied this, the old timers (Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Leitzke) and even some more modern golfers (Fitzpatrick) had this move. 

 

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way? Again, the main benefit for me is establishing wrist set. When I swing "on plane" at P2/P3 I just cannot get my wrists to set properly. 

 

 

Tread lightly on this...

 

If inside means really late arm lift then the move is likely to be no bueno.

 

If inside means good arm lift but way under plane wrist set then even more no bueno.

 

If inside means less outside then you may be just getting to a neutral position that works better. Generally, you don't want the shaft working underneath the trail forearm...

[ThinkingPlus]

Paul? One if by land, two if by sea Paul? Who knew he played golf. 😉

[Hawkeye77]

6 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Paul? One if by land, two if by sea Paul? Who knew he played golf. 😉

 

His low am at the British Open was the start of the silver salver. 

[joedizzy1978]

The negative of any unorthodox swing is the lack of information on how to manage it when things get off track (self diagnose) as well as the smaller pool of instructors who understand how to strategize and find match ups for things to align later in the sequence.  

[sundaypins]

2 hours ago, JetPilot said:

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way?  

 

Nothing if the action is repeatable given that some actions are easier to acquire and maintain than others.  Proper wrist setting and depth is more easily found focusing on pivot rather than arms and club.    Proper wrist setting is pretty straight forward so something is probably amiss there. 

[TheDeanAbides]

5 minutes ago, sundaypins said:

 

Nothing if the action is repeatable given that some actions are easier to acquire and maintain than others.  Proper wrist setting and depth is more easily found focusing on pivot rather than arms and club.    Proper wrist setting is pretty straight forward so something is probably amiss there. 

How does focusing on pivot set the arms and wrists correctly? 

[MonteScheinblum]

The reverse slot works……….if……….you have the ability to do a few things.  2 important ones are an elite ability to separate hips and shoulders and sequence and accelerate the arms at an elite level.

 

Most ams can’t create that high level separation and the overwhelming majority have arms that accelerate late.

 

That makes this a viable way to swing, but a physically harder way to do it.

 

I did it when I was younger and as a got older I could no longer do it and my distance and accuracy struggled to an epic level, but most of it came back when I went to an “easier” way of doing it.

 

Setting the wrists properly is not hard to do once you have a practical understanding of the feel of moving the club head first.  Moving the body first is the reason most golfers can’t do it.  So many uneducated swing enthusiasts on the passive arm and hand train say move the body correctly and the club will follow.  
 

Tiger and the #1 instructor in the world disagree.  Tiger said taking the hands out is asinine.  
 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mark-blackburn-steal-from-pros-move-clubhead-first-stay-away-slice

 

 

[rsballer10]

2 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Tread lightly on this...

 

If inside means really late arm lift then the move is likely to be no bueno.

 

If inside means good arm lift but way under plane wrist set then even more no bueno.

 

If inside means less outside then you may be just getting to a neutral position that works better. Generally, you don't want the shaft working underneath the trail forearm...

Agree with this. However, I think the video and OP are referring to a takeaway that is "absolutely" inside as opposed to "relatively" inside.

[rsballer10]

1 hour ago, TheDeanAbides said:

How does focusing on pivot set the arms and wrists correctly? 

[GoGoErky]

16 minutes ago, rsballer10 said:

Agree with this. However, I think the video and OP are referring to a takeaway that is "absolutely" inside as opposed to "relatively" inside.

Yep. The video is talking about and absolute inside takeaway, and the issues of this are what we see with videos that get posted here of people getting the club inside early, or the one piece takeaway move. Lots of arm lift and ott swings rather than the hands out and club shallowing that Milo demonstrates in the video 

[JetPilot]

I tried to upload a video, but it doesn't like the .mov file.  

 

 

[Sean124]

1 hour ago, rsballer10 said:

How does the positrak rear end on a Plymouth work?

[Sean124]

5 hours ago, JetPilot said:

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way? 

The problem with a lot of these things is people get good results for a little while, then can end up in a worse spot a week or month down the road. 
 

The other problem is very few “good golfer buddies” are qualified to give their friends swing advice. 

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

How does focusing on pivot set the arms and wrists correctly? 

It doesn’t, but when your narrative is its a pivot driven swing and the arms and hands are passive, it makes

perfect sense.   
 

That narrative is dying a slow painful death, but many still cling to it.

[Red4282]

7 hours ago, JetPilot said:

Setting the club properly at P3 has always been a struggle for me. A friend of mine who is a really good golfer has what I would consider an inside takeaway. I've always wondered how he is such a good ball striker with that inside takeaway. He suggested that I needed more depth in my swing and I've been experimenting with the reverse slot takeaway to establish depth early in the swing. From there I feel like I can set my wrists well and establish a good top position on plane. I've been surprised how much better I set the club and my ball striking and distance has been much improved. I don't feel like I'm snatching the club inside, and the clubhead is not significantly inside my hands. As I've studied this, the old timers (Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Leitzke) and even some more modern golfers (Fitzpatrick) had this move. 

 

I'm curious, If I'm getting good results, what is the drawback of swinging this way? Again, the main benefit for me is establishing wrist set. When I swing "on plane" at P2/P3 I just cannot get my wrists to set properly. 

 

 

Nothing wrong with it at all. As long as you are in good position coming down and its repeatable. 

[jaffabell]

On 7/5/2025 at 7:53 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

It doesn’t, but when your narrative is its a pivot driven swing and the arms and hands are passive, it makes

perfect sense.   
 

That narrative is dying a slow painful death, but many still cling to it.

So are we saying that you can set the arms and wrists correctly with a poor pivot?

[RayPlan]

49 minutes ago, jaffabell said:

So are we saying that you can set the arms and wrists correctly with a poor pivot?

I can't see why not. You could even pre-set your wrists correctly, then make a terrible pivot.

[jaffabell]

2 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

I can't see why not. You could even pre-set your wrists correctly, then make a terrible pivot.

I say that as I have often struggled with my wrist set and arms, but now that I am working on a better pivot I can feel that it is easier to get my arms and wrists in a better position. My poor backswing pivot contributes to my arms sucking in and rolling, then the overrun and closed face at the top etc. On swings where I am feeling a better pelvis move and pivot I am able to set my wrists and get my arms in the correct place much much easier. Its almost like with a bad pivot my arms and wrists are fighting against it.

 

I guess it would be better to say that a good pivot helps us to set the arms and wrists in the correct way? with the caveat that we still have to actively move the arms and wrists correctly

[virtuoso]

17 minutes ago, jaffabell said:

I say that as I have often struggled with my wrist set and arms, but now that I am working on a better pivot I can feel that it is easier to get my arms and wrists in a better position. My poor backswing pivot contributes to my arms sucking in and rolling, then the overrun and closed face at the top etc. On swings where I am feeling a better pelvis move and pivot I am able to set my wrists and get my arms in the correct place much much easier. Its almost like with a bad pivot my arms and wrists are fighting against it.

 

I guess it would be better to say that a good pivot helps us to set the arms and wrists in the correct way? with the caveat that we still have to actively move the arms and wrists correctly

Jaffa, biggest bummer about the golf swing is that you have to do everything correctly. Otherwise you end up with 12.3 caveats. The consigliere will explain this in the GGA.

[rsballer10]

1 hour ago, jaffabell said:

I guess it would be better to say that a good pivot helps us to set the arms and wrists in the correct way? with the caveat that we still have to actively move the arms and wrists correctly

The problem with this logic is that it's circular IMO. The pivot helps set the arms and hands, provided the arms and hands are set correctly.

[TheDeanAbides]

3 hours ago, jaffabell said:

So are we saying that you can set the arms and wrists correctly with a poor pivot?

I'm not Monte, but I have thoughts. Take them or leave them, of course.

 

Sort of is my answer. Bear in mind nothing works in a vacuum in the swing, but you can have a fairly decent arm swing with good wrist conditions and a reverse pivot or funky Elvis hips. Usually, I think, what happens is a poor pivot requires compensations elsewhere to hit the ball at all - including in the arm/wrists/hand unit. This is why as we improve one aspect of the swing, those other funky compensation no longer work and we're forced to correct them too.

[MonteScheinblum]

4 hours ago, jaffabell said:

So are we saying that you can set the arms and wrists correctly with a poor pivot?

Not even close

[sundaypins]

On 7/7/2025 at 7:33 AM, RayPlan said:

I can't see why not. You could even pre-set your wrists correctly, then make a terrible pivot.

 

A reverse pivot incorporating an proper arm to wrist set is certainly not efficient as an unconnected condition but it is certainly doable.  

[me05501]

There's no disclaimer on a Milo Lines video that says "my approach is outside the mainstream and the majority of PGA Professionals would teach a different method." But there probably should be. 

[ShowMe]

On 7/5/2025 at 12:38 PM, MonteScheinblum said:

The reverse slot works……….if……….you have the ability to do a few things.  2 important ones are an elite ability to separate hips and shoulders and sequence and accelerate the arms at an elite level.

 

Most ams can’t create that high level separation and the overwhelming majority have arms that accelerate late.

 

That makes this a viable way to swing, but a physically harder way to do it.

 

I did it when I was younger and as a got older I could no longer do it and my distance and accuracy struggled to an epic level, but most of it came back when I went to an “easier” way of doing it.

 

Setting the wrists properly is not hard to do once you have a practical understanding of the feel of moving the club head first.  Moving the body first is the reason most golfers can’t do it.  So many uneducated swing enthusiasts on the passive arm and hand train say move the body correctly and the club will follow.  
 

Tiger and the #1 instructor in the world disagree.  Tiger said taking the hands out is asinine.  
 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mark-blackburn-steal-from-pros-move-clubhead-first-stay-away-slice

 

 

 

Perhaps, but Tiger had world class hand to eye coordination.  Most duffers don't and would be better off on moving the body correctly and forgetting about the hands.  Once they have that down, maybe then start incorporating a hand-based swing into the motion.

 

Interestingly, many of the pros who Blackburn has coached do not swing the way he recommends in that article.  They have one piece takeaways.  What he's recommending looks a lot like what Ledbetter teaches.  I tried it once with horrible results.  But then again, I don't have world class hand to eye coordination.