potfh Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Ferguson said: We are giving this guy way too much time and effort. A few final thoughts. What I can't appreciate is that some people treat him as the Jacques Cousteau of golf. Let's face the facts - he discovered nothing, he brings nothing new, he offers nothing but time on a video. That is Value? I guess he could be considered the modern day Pied Piper for high cappers, slicers, pullers, multi-towel carriers, fancy ball mark collectors, visor wearing get food on the turn golfers who want to play better but can't find the time for real instruction. Most YT watchers probably have no idea who Jacques Cousteau is. And why the disrespect for those who wear visors? I had never heard of Grant Horvat until this thread. I’ve enjoyed this topic but have to get back to the Calypso. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferguson Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, potfh said: Most YT watchers probably have no idea who Jacques Cousteau is. And why the disrespect for those who wear visors? I had never heard of Grant Horvat until this thread. I’ve enjoyed this topic but have to get back to the Calypso. Again, I try to bring educational content whenever possible. Cousteau was a pioneer. No disrespect to those who wear visors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straightshot7 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Look at the PGA Tour creating content for YouTube: Hasn't someone told them it's a big waste of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternRacing Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 hours ago, straightshot7 said: Look at the PGA Tour creating content for YouTube: Hasn't someone told them it's a big waste of time? No, it’s called marketing. Not business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternRacing Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 On 7/22/2025 at 12:56 PM, subrew said: FWIW, the reason Grant got an invite was because he won the Creator Classic, which was a PGAT sanctioned event/thing for creator type peeps that aired on the PGAT YT channel. It wasn't just some random "we invite this guy because he is popular" type thing. The year before Luke Kwon won, and managed to turn it into a few invites. He played on the Asian Tour and International tour where he made a cut. The International series let him be mic'd up and film during the Macau tournament. The Q at Myrtle Beach also has done something similar. Hosted their own event with creators and guys from the KFT. The winner gets an exemption into the Myrtle Beach Classic. Matt Atkins won in 2024, and Nathan Franks won 2025. Both got invites to play in the PGA Tour event held there. I don’t think anybody is upset that he got the invite to an off field event like this. It’s how he handled it. Those guys you referenced all actually played in the event, rather than declining and trying to play the victim. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pnwpingi210 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, WesternRacing said: I don’t think anybody is upset that he got the invite to an off field event like this. It’s how he handled it. Those guys you referenced all actually played in the event, rather than declining and trying to play the victim. Winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straightshot7 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 hours ago, WesternRacing said: No, it’s called marketing. Not business. Marketing is not a part of business? You better inform every business school in the world wtf are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmidnight Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 15 hours ago, WesternRacing said: I don’t think anybody is upset that he got the invite to an off field event like this. It’s how he handled it. Those guys you referenced all actually played in the event, rather than declining and trying to play the victim. And again, I think Grant is the one of if not the best golfer of the bunch. Anyone that has watched him for more than ten minutes knows hes not a hack, guy can really ball. Which is exactly why I *wanted* to see him play in an event like this that wasnt exactly a stacked field but maybe had a few good guys sprinkled in. There are a 100 different ways he could have handled it and he picked - IMO - the absolutely worst way. Edited July 24 by dcmidnight 1 Quote TM OG SIM 10.5* - Mitsubishi Vanquish 5X Elyte Mini Driver 13.5* - Tensei Raw White 65x // TM Qi10 7W TM DHY 2i - Kaili Blue Dark Wave (DHY 3i/4i - AD DI 85s) Ping I230 5-6 /Blueprint S 7-8 /BP T 9-P - Steelfiber 110s Cleveland CBX4 50* / 54* // TM Hi-Toe 58* TM Spider Tour // Titleist Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiScape Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Was away from the site for a while. Seeing that this thread is still going strong is… 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SheriffBooth Posted July 24 Popular Post Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, dcmidnight said: And again, I think Grant is the one of if not the best golfer of the bunch. Anyone that has watched him for more than ten minutes knows hes not a hack, guy can really ball. Which is exactly why I *wanted* to see him play in an event like this that wasnt exactly a stacked field but maybe had a few good guys sprinkled in. There are a 100 different ways he could have handled it and he picked - IMO - the absolutely worst way. He's got smart agents/managers I think. Getting cut at an alternate PGA Tour event with a second rate field would hurt his brand much more than it would help. Instead, manufacture a controversy over media to get in the golf news and perhaps get a few more folks who follow golf to check him out on YT. I think you could do a college level business course on the influencer/content creator financial model. 5 Quote TaylorMade Qi10 9*, Hzrdus Gen 4 Black 60 6.0 TaylorMade Qi10 3W 15* & 5W 18*, Hzrdus Gen 4 Black 70 6.0 TaylorMade SIM2 Max 4H, 5H Ventus Blue 7 S TaylorMade P790 6i, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade P770 7i-AW, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade MG 3 56*, & 60*, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade Spider Tour S CB, 38" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holy Moses Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, SheriffBooth said: He's got smart agents/managers I think. Getting cut at an alternate PGA Tour event with a second rate field would hurt his brand much more than it would help. Instead, manufacture a controversy over media to get in the golf news and perhaps get a few more folks who follow golf to check him out on YT. I think you could do a college level business course on the influencer/content creator financial model. I can’t see it hurting his brand. But this was only always about Grant and what the Tour could do for him. It was never a “I help you, you help me.” Quote Ping G410 LST 10° (DI-6X) Ping G410 3W 15.5° (DI-7X) Ping i210 3-PW (PX 6.0) Ping Glide 2.0 50°SS, 56°SS, 60°ES (PX 6.0) Ping Vault Arna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmidnight Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, TiScape said: Was away from the site for a while. Seeing that this thread is still going strong is… 🤔 Going strong? The thread is like ten minutes old how long a while were you "gone" for? 1 Quote TM OG SIM 10.5* - Mitsubishi Vanquish 5X Elyte Mini Driver 13.5* - Tensei Raw White 65x // TM Qi10 7W TM DHY 2i - Kaili Blue Dark Wave (DHY 3i/4i - AD DI 85s) Ping I230 5-6 /Blueprint S 7-8 /BP T 9-P - Steelfiber 110s Cleveland CBX4 50* / 54* // TM Hi-Toe 58* TM Spider Tour // Titleist Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiScape Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 minute ago, dcmidnight said: Going strong? The thread is like *ten minutes old* how long a while were you "gone" for? I see July 15th on my screen as a start date. Perhaps I need to update my OS??? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferguson Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 You know, Booth brings up an important point about manufacturing a controversy to perhaps draw attention to his so-called "content." Well, what if he was faced with a challenge from the real world with a regular guy? No TV - just two people and a contract. Let's say a guy like me for example offered a guy like him $10K US as an appearance fee and an additional $10K US to beat a guy like me for 18 holes. The venue and time would be selected by a guy like me. Should be easy for a guy like him with his resources. For Pete's sake, he is a golf content creator, friend to several pros and apparently worth a ton of cash. However, if a guy like me was to beat a guy like him for 18 holes, a guy like him would agree to pay a guy like me $50K US; and, additionally upon the loss, a guy like him would agree to permanently shut down his YT site and cease all social media pertaining to golf for a period of 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheriffBooth Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 44 minutes ago, Holy Moses said: I can’t see it hurting his brand. But this was only always about Grant and what the Tour could do for him. It was never a “I help you, you help me.” I think the "I am a Tour caliber player that's chosen to make a living on YouTube instead" is a more powerful narrative for him than "I've been proven to not be a Tour caliber player". For the same reason, losing to Joe Pavelski or John Smoltz in the American Century wouldn't really be a smart move for him, even if he's getting to rub elbows with Steph Curry and Josh Allen. Respect where respect is due - he's a leader in a wholly new frontier of the golf industry, and he's undoubtedly helping to grow the game. 1 Quote TaylorMade Qi10 9*, Hzrdus Gen 4 Black 60 6.0 TaylorMade Qi10 3W 15* & 5W 18*, Hzrdus Gen 4 Black 70 6.0 TaylorMade SIM2 Max 4H, 5H Ventus Blue 7 S TaylorMade P790 6i, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade P770 7i-AW, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade MG 3 56*, & 60*, MMT 105 S +1" TaylorMade Spider Tour S CB, 38" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternRacing Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) 15 hours ago, straightshot7 said: Marketing is not a part of business? You better inform every business school in the world wtf are you talking about? Marketing is what you do to draw people to your product. It isn’t the product. Do you understand the difference? The videos coming out of PGA Tour studios are being used as marketing for the Tour. The Tour’s business model is not monetizing YT videos, as that’s table scraps compared to the Tour’s main business. Edited July 24 by WesternRacing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBbogey5 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/22/2025 at 12:56 PM, subrew said: FWIW, the reason Grant got an invite was because he won the Creator Classic, which was a PGAT sanctioned event/thing for creator type peeps that aired on the PGAT YT channel. It wasn't just some random "we invite this guy because he is popular" type thing. The year before Luke Kwon won, and managed to turn it into a few invites. He played on the Asian Tour and International tour where he made a cut. The International series let him be mic'd up and film during the Macau tournament. The Q at Myrtle Beach also has done something similar. Hosted their own event with creators and guys from the KFT. The winner gets an exemption into the Myrtle Beach Classic. Matt Atkins won in 2024, and Nathan Franks won 2025. Both got invites to play in the PGA Tour event held there. I hate it even more now 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Viking Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 7 hours ago, idrive said: Who? Grant Horvat, extremely popular content creator. Excellent player with a swing anyone of us would love to have. Plays with several pros there are 20 pages here about him...if not more 2 Quote Titleist TSR 10* Titleist TSi 18* Mizuno 4h & 5h Mizuno 245 6-G Mizuno T1 54 & 58 Scotty Phantom 7.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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