Early Wrist Set Kills Your LAG & Causes You To Cast (Do THIS Instead). AMG recommends Hack Motion.

[getitdaily]

Just watched a good bit of the video. Seems it's "dont do anything anyone is saying to do"...

[ThinkingPlus]

6 hours ago, BSI99 said:

Because telling people "it depends" doesn't sell clicks

Telling the Army "it depends" lost us a contract (along with some other things obviously). They went apoplectic when we said "it depends". They wanted simple answers about complex processes. Similar to the golf swing. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way.

[virtuoso]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Just watched a good bit of the video. Seems it's "dont do anything anyone is saying to do"...

Amen brother, if someone tells you to do something with your golf swing there is about a 78-83% chance they are wrong.

[getitdaily]

49 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Amen brother, if someone tells you to do something with your golf swing there is about a 78-83% chance they are wrong.

But man, that 17-22% chance they're right...it's the gold we dig for!

 

It's all bunk unless it's not.

[bladehunter]

Just hit it better. 🙃
 

 

*** this might be heat stroke related “ 

Edited July 17 by bladehunter

[virtuoso]

39 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

But man, that 17-22% chance they're right...it's the gold we dig for!

 

It's all bunk unless it's not.

Wrist Set Tribes are Bunk. One day all the One Piecers and Quick Hingers will live together in harmony.

[getitdaily]

3 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Wrist Set Tribes are Bunk. One day all the One Piecers and Quick Hingers will live together in harmony.

I agree. However, the rear posters and the stackNtilters will never meet in the middle.

[Shilgy]

8 hours ago, Scottbox said:

 

... load.

This is one of those threads that leave me wanting everything except the Root Float.🍺

[virtuoso]

3 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

I agree. However, the rear posters and the stackNtilters will never meet in the middle.

No, because both camps were trying to recruit the new kids (rear post but early shifters), and the fall out from that was irreconcilable.

[Scottbox]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

This is one of those threads that leave me wanting everything except the Root Float.🍺

Put booze in it.

[Valtiel]

On 7/16/2025 at 5:25 PM, MK7Golf21 said:

Right, but most of the extreme stuff I’ve seen on the forum is regarding early wrist set. I think it’s a good video and addresses some issues. Haven’t seen much float load advice on the opposite end. 

 

10 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Maybe this video can be a future reference for stopping the speaking in absolutes ?  As in “ early wrist  set is good. Late wrist  set is bad “.  The truth is always in the middle , coupled with a “ it depends “. 

 

10 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Right.  The amg video says what I’m saying.  They do a good job of saying it depends. And showing why.  I’m just saying that soooo many teach otherwise.  And that the argument here has always been treated as “ early good. Late bad”

...At what point do we stop ? 

I'm going to try responding to these together. First, and *maybe* this is just how i'm interpreting it, i've never interpreted anyone here advocating for anything "extreme" in terms of early wrist set, so I disagree with that @MK7Golf21. Setting the wrists earlier is recommended to people that set them either late or incorrectly and for really good reason; if you don't learn how to do it *correctly* you very likely need to learn it early because it's extremely difficult to fix moves like this without stepping back to the beginning and getting it right immediately off the ball. And i'll say it again because apparently it isn't sticking...

Advocating for an earlier wrist set is neither recommending an extreme NOR is it even recommending that their golf swing needs to get the wrists set "early". 

To your point @bladehunter I agree, this shouldn't be talked about in binaries, but not in the way you're suggesting. Early/late doesn't matter nearly as much as right/wrong, and while AMG is speaking to one particular "wrong" here (excessive and early), i'd argue that the opposite is far more prevalent in the golfing public (passive and late). You can set your wrists literally *whenever* you want so long as you have the right combination of deviations/extensions/flexions. You can do it immediately in takeaway like a Danny Willett or later at the top like Tiger Woods or on the more extreme end someone like Bryson. If you don't know how to get your wrists set properly then late/early is pointless, it's just "wrong" at that point and it's really difficult to learn without starting early since most of the "wrong" crowd as often wrong right off the ball. 

That brings us to what Sean says in the video that kinda irritates me at 2:20: "This is just a natural, flowing....I would say "tour" amount of wrist set going to the top". For the person that doesn't know how to set their wrists correctly ....there is nothing "natural" about a "tour amount of wrist set going to the top". That. Is. Earlier. It nearly always is. And I KNOW that AMG knows this because they've literally made several videos about preset drills and setting the wrists earlier, so this little trend they've had of jumping on the "everything sounds contradictory" bandwagon is actually pretty frustrating. If you take the average (and very common) overrunning backswing 15hdcp they will have noticeably LESS wrist set at the same point in the backswing than most pros, and often less than even the later setting outliers. To them the idea of a "natural flowing tour wrist set" would be completely foreign...because if what came naturally to them was correct then they wouldn't be a 15hdcp, ergo "natural" is a s*** word to use for any of this and needs to be stricken from the golf teaching record. 

Wrist set has to be learned because it rarely if ever comes naturally, and worse what DOES come naturally like so many other things in the golf swing is often backwards. If someone is setting their wrists late *because they don't know how to set them correctly* then early is usually necessary to help recalibrate. That doesn't mean they have to stay early, just that it's far easier to learn "right" at that point than in the middle of the swing. 

[MK7Golf21]

1 hour ago, Valtiel said:

 

 

I'm going to try responding to these together. First, and *maybe* this is just how i'm interpreting it, i've never interpreted anyone here advocating for anything "extreme" in terms of early wrist set, so I disagree with that @MK7Golf21. Setting the wrists earlier is recommended to people that set them either late or incorrectly and for really good reason; if you don't learn how to do it *correctly* you very likely need to learn it early because it's extremely difficult to fix moves like this without stepping back to the beginning and getting it right immediately off the ball. And i'll say it again because apparently it isn't sticking...

Advocating for an earlier wrist set is neither recommending an extreme NOR is it even recommending that their golf swing needs to get the wrists set

 

 

 

I didn’t create the video, AMG did. Sure, if someone needs to feel a super early wrist set to have something decent, I’m all for that. In the video, they never said the wrists should be fully set by p2, yet I’ve seen that recommended as a checkpoint on here multiple times. That’s extreme to me. Even a full 90 set at p3 isn’t mentioned in the video.

[Valtiel]

24 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

....they never said the wrists should be fully set by p2, yet I’ve seen that recommended as a checkpoint on here multiple times. That’s extreme to me. Even a full 90 set at p3 isn’t mentioned in the video.

Where has that been mentioned? I can't recall that being recommended anywhere, and if so then surely as nothing other than a checkpoint drill not meant to be replicated in the actual swing. 90* by P3 isn't uncommon on tour and is a decent checkpoint, but I don't recall that being considered mandatory either. 
 

[JJFWebster]

I've been working on adding more 'float load' because it's an easy way to add yards. Unfortunately I also find it a great way to block shots 50+ yards right. Once I artificially force more angle it gets way harder to square properly at impact.

[golferdude54]

Most people can keep their right arm from overbending at P3.

 

But I don’t know if some even have enough radial deviation flexibility/mobility from their left wrist to bend the club 90* to their left arm at P3 without adding too much grip tension.

The answer “it depends” really rings true here.

[wasko]

On 7/17/2025 at 6:33 AM, kiawah said:

Are we still watching these instructional videos with clickbait titles and thinking that THIS is the secret to the game that has been holding me back all these years? Lol

Everyone knows the true secret is more cowbell.

 

I stopped watching youtube instructional videos after Monte transitioned from cargo shorts to pants. They can really send you spiralling.

[TheDeanAbides]

7 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Where has that been mentioned? I can't recall that being recommended anywhere, and if so then surely as nothing other than a checkpoint drill not meant to be replicated in the actual swing. 90* by P3 isn't uncommon on tour and is a decent checkpoint, but I don't recall that being considered mandatory either. 
 

Agreed. I've never seen anyone recommend them being fully set by P2. P3ish, yes, but not P2.

[Hawkeye77]

13 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Telling the Army "it depends" lost us a contract (along with some other things obviously). They went apoplectic when we said "it depends". They wanted simple answers about complex processes. Similar to the golf swing. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way.

 

But when the question is "Will this one blow up in the silo?"  😀

[NosajNeelik]

19 hours ago, bladehunter said:

🤣.  I do wish they explained the device better. I still don’t know if red is bad and green good or opposite. If red is bad. It seemed to be alarming on their recommendations.  

I wanted write if course red is bad (which it’s supposed to be ) but yea that video makes it seem the opposite hmm

 

 

the hackmotion is a great aid, whenever I use one it helps tremendously 

 

 

Edited July 18 by NosajNeelik

[ThinkingPlus]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

But when the question is "Will this one blow up in the silo?"  😀

Like I said, the real world is a complex place. The probability is never zero.

[MK7Golf21]

9 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Where has that been mentioned? I can't recall that being recommended anywhere, and if so then surely as nothing other than a checkpoint drill not meant to be replicated in the actual swing. 90* by P3 isn't uncommon on tour and is a decent checkpoint, but I don't recall that being considered mandatory either. 
 

 

2 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Agreed. I've never seen anyone recommend them being fully set by P2. P3ish, yes, but not P2.

 

 

 this from the early wrist set thread.

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

45 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

 

 

 this from the early wrist set thread.

 

 

Okay, I can see how that can be misinterpreted. I do not think the wrists should be fully set at p2 unless that doesn't cause you a problem later. I think that the majority of people should be thinking about setting their wrists straight off the ball because the amount of time it takes to get to P2/P3 is so small. It's a prescription for the late setters. 

 

I often post in a rush and fail to read properly. I'll try to be more careful. 

[MK7Golf21]

2 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Okay, I can see how that can be misinterpreted. I do not think the wrists should be fully set at p2 unless that doesn't cause you a problem later. I think that the majority of people should be thinking about setting their wrists straight off the ball because the amount of time it takes to get to P2/P3 is so small. It's a prescription for the late setters. 

 

I often post in a rush and fail to read properly. I'll try to be more careful. 

 

 

I suppose it's a feel to try but I will say this, people that have inside takeaways are rolling the lead forearm in right off the ball. Probably 99% of them. If you are rolling the lead forearm in, then you will have to feel a massive amount of early setting the wrists right off the ball so it doesn't suck inside too much.

 

On the other hand, if you work on a feel to prevent rotating that lead forearm off the ball, like feeling the butt of the club pointing at your inside thigh longer in the takeaway, you actually don't have to feel much early wrist set. It's actually very easy to overdo setting the wrists when you get the lead forearm right. The clubhead will start doing the opposite and go outside too much.

 

[TheDeanAbides]

14 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

 

I suppose it's a feel to try but I will say this, people that have inside takeaways are rolling the lead forearm in right off the ball. Probably 99% of them. If you are rolling the lead forearm in, then you will have to feel a massive amount of early setting the wrists right off the ball so it doesn't suck inside too much.

 

On the other hand, if you work on a feel to prevent rotating that lead forearm off the ball, like feeling the butt of the club pointing at your inside thigh longer in the takeaway, you actually don't have to feel much early wrist set. It's actually very easy to overdo setting the wrists when you get the lead forearm right. The clubhead will start doing the opposite and go outside too much.

 

I don't disagree, but that's a different problem with a slightly different solution. Yes, the majority of late setters are also forearm rollers, but we were, I think, talking about float loaders? I disagree that it's easy to overdo setting the wrists. The only way to do that is to set them before you begin to move rather than as you move. 

[MK7Golf21]

20 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I don't disagree, but that's a different problem with a slightly different solution. Yes, the majority of late setters are also forearm rollers, but we were, I think, talking about float loaders? I disagree that it's easy to overdo setting the wrists. The only way to do that is to set them before you begin to move rather than as you move. 

 

It's very easy for me to overdo setting the wrists once I got my forearms correct. 

[TheDeanAbides]

22 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

It's very easy for me to overdo setting the wrists once I got my forearms correct. 

Okay, fair, but that's not everyone. :)

[rsballer10]

59 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I don't disagree, but that's a different problem with a slightly different solution. Yes, the majority of late setters are also forearm rollers, but we were, I think, talking about float loaders? I disagree that it's easy to overdo setting the wrists. The only way to do that is to set them before you begin to move rather than as you move. 

Depends on how you define early for wrist set. I'm not a fan of the Faldo drill because the grip doesn't move at all. If that's a 'feel' someone needs - that's totally cool. 

 

But I've seen people set their wrists right off the ball and not have any pressure shift or pivot. just set and lift the arms. I've also seen people who don't set their wrists until after P3, and they mostly just roll their forearms to the inside. Both are bad.

[Nels55]

This is where AMG says you should be at P2.  "Feel like you do nothing".  They don't show ulnar deviation of the lead wrist but it does not look like there is not much set at this point.  It appears that the ulnar deviation is set at address and does not change much in the backswing? 

 

They are talking about not adding flexion or extension of the lead wrist.  They show a 6 degree decrease in extension which is in line with the idea of slightly less then toe up at this point. 

 

It seems that they are demonstrating how to do a one piece takeaway correctly?

 

Edited July 18 by Nels55
Typo

[rsballer10]

8 minutes ago, Nels55 said:

"Feel like you do nothing"

this is dubious just because it depends on how someone currently takes the club away. 

[TheDeanAbides]

23 minutes ago, rsballer10 said:

Depends on how you define early for wrist set. I'm not a fan of the Faldo drill because the grip doesn't move at all. If that's a 'feel' someone needs - that's totally cool. 

 

But I've seen people set their wrists right off the ball and not have any pressure shift or pivot. just set and lift the arms. I've also seen people who don't set their wrists until after P3, and they mostly just roll their forearms to the inside. Both are bad.

Agreed. Correct sequencing is the most important thing.