Right Hand, Right Eye Dominant Golfers

[spineshank]

I play right handed and am right eye dominant and everything the OP said, i can relate to. 

 

Also, i saw someone mention about pro's playing same side. Its probably very few. You have guys like Phil and Jordan who switch sides to golf because of their eye dominance. Trevino however is right eye dominant. 

[tx_bayou]

14 minutes ago, spineshank said:

I play right handed and am right eye dominant and everything the OP said, i can relate to. 

 

Also, i saw someone mention about pro's playing same side. Its probably very few. You have guys like Phil and Jordan who switch sides to golf because of their eye dominance. Trevino however is right eye dominant. 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Phil or Jordan reference eye-dominance in discussing swinging opposite their dominant hand. 
 

 

[Mark58]

@virtuoso Thank you for that. Pretty extensive list.

 

In your opinion, do you think one should have a sense of covering the ball, aka sternum and eyeline above the ball, or trying to stay behind it? I am a shallow path player, more of a picker/sweeper and not large divots. I wonder if I need to get on top of it more and less behind/underneath.

 

Do you other right eye dominant players take larger divots? Or are you more shallow?

 

The concept of more torque/rotation and less lateral (if I understand it correctly) might be a key for me. I have been trying to fix my pivot, too much lateral and slide and not enough rotation. Perhaps trying to get behind it and/or buy more turn. I have been struggling with pressure shifts for awhile and have been working to get off my trail side and into the lead with a better sequence.

 

Iceman mentioned pull cuts as a standard shot. I understand what he means, when I get to lead side proper, a pull cut is one possibility. Its actually a pretty powerful shot, and  mostly with driver. 

 

However, main miss was actually a push or push-cut. So I'm thinking I need more rotation and less lateral. My understanding about ground forces is that lateral pushes path to the right, and torque rotation will push path back to the left. So, it all balances. The pull cut might be a result of adding torque.

 

None of this might have to do with eye dominance, my pivot might be trash. But my sense is something related. The comment that unless this is sorted out my brain will fight my intent is spot on. Improving my strike has proven elusive.

 

[virtuoso]

9 minutes ago, Mark58 said:

@virtuoso Thank you for that. Pretty extensive list.

 

In your opinion, do you think one should have a sense of covering the ball, aka sternum and eyeline above the ball, or trying to stay behind it? I am a shallow path player, more of a picker/sweeper and not large divots. I wonder if I need to get on top of it more and less behind/underneath.

 

Do you other right eye dominant players take larger divots? Or are you more shallow?

 

The concept of more torque/rotation and less lateral (if I understand it correctly) might be a key for me. I have been trying to fix my pivot, too much lateral and slide and not enough rotation. Perhaps trying to get behind it and/or buy more turn. I have been struggling with pressure shifts for awhile and have been working to get off my trail side and into the lead with a better sequence.

 

Iceman mentioned pull cuts as a standard shot. I understand what he means, when I get to lead side proper, a pull cut is one possibility. Its actually a pretty powerful shot, and  mostly with driver. 

 

However, main miss was actually a push or push-cut. So I'm thinking I need more rotation and less lateral. My understanding about ground forces is that lateral pushes path to the right, and torque rotation will push path back to the left. So, it all balances. The pull cut might be a result of adding torque.

 

None of this might have to do with eye dominance, my pivot might be trash. But my sense is something related. The comment that unless this is sorted out my brain will fight my intent is spot on. Improving my strike has proven elusive.

 

I'm not right eye dominant, I cross dominant.

 

...but yes, right eye dominant players should cover the ball more and they will tend to be a smidge steeper w/ AOA an more handle lean...which kind of come as a two for one sale.

 

You don't have to hit a pull cut, but it is easier to do that. I'd probably set my Right Eye players up to start the ball relatively straight with a tendency for the ball to fall right. Maybe a slightly more penetrating launch angle.

 

...but we'll never know until you post your swing. Don't worry about getting torn apart by the vultures--I'll tell you when they are saying stupid things.

Edited July 21 by virtuoso

[mshills]

Very interesting thread, and gives me a lot to think about despite my tongue in cheek about being so right hand dominant to the point of exclusivity. 
 

I learned my left eye dominance when I was much younger and learning to shoot. It’s important with a shotgun, and critical to understand with a bow or a rifle. 
 

I’ve always been aware of my strong L eye dominance in putting, especially in alignment, using an intermediate target, and using a line on the ball. I’ve never thought about it the same way in the golf swing, but this thread gives me something to think on for sure. 

[virtuoso]

If we had to guess, what do we think this guys might be?

 

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, virtuoso said:

If we had to guess, what do we think this guys might be?

 

 

Might be straining the cause/effect a bit?  No doubt there are dozens upon dozens of Tour players that you could show in certain positions but not "seeing" the leap to "he's right eye" or "he's left eye".

[iceman1118]

40 minutes ago, Mark58 said:

@virtuoso Thank you for that. Pretty extensive list.

 

In your opinion, do you think one should have a sense of covering the ball, aka sternum and eyeline above the ball, or trying to stay behind it? I am a shallow path player, more of a picker/sweeper and not large divots. I wonder if I need to get on top of it more and less behind/underneath.

 

Do you other right eye dominant players take larger divots? Or are you more shallow?

 

The concept of more torque/rotation and less lateral (if I understand it correctly) might be a key for me. I have been trying to fix my pivot, too much lateral and slide and not enough rotation. Perhaps trying to get behind it and/or buy more turn. I have been struggling with pressure shifts for awhile and have been working to get off my trail side and into the lead with a better sequence.

 

Iceman mentioned pull cuts as a standard shot. I understand what he means, when I get to lead side proper, a pull cut is one possibility. Its actually a pretty powerful shot, and  mostly with driver. 

 

However, main miss was actually a push or push-cut. So I'm thinking I need more rotation and less lateral. My understanding about ground forces is that lateral pushes path to the right, and torque rotation will push path back to the left. So, it all balances. The pull cut might be a result of adding torque.

 

None of this might have to do with eye dominance, my pivot might be trash. But my sense is something related. The comment that unless this is sorted out my brain will fight my intent is spot on. Improving my strike has proven elusive.

 

My divots are definitely on the larger side. I am pretty sure it is just a function of my feeling like I am trying to cover the ball with my chest. 
 

Funny you mention pressure shift. I have a huge tendency to hang back on my trail side, especially with driver. Personally, I do not think that staying more behind it with driver is the answer. I still think the feeling of covering the ball with the driver is the way, which when the clubs get longer it is more imperative to get to the lead side. I could be way off base here, but this leads me to my next point regarding your post which is shot shape. I typically feel the more I am on my lead side at impact the easier it is to hit the fade. Whether the ball starts on line and falls right or is more of a pull cut I think will vary

 

 

[virtuoso]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Might be straining the cause/effect a bit?  No doubt there are dozens upon dozens of Tour players that you could show in certain positions but not "seeing" the leap to "he's right eye" or "he's left eye".

We're just brain noodling this stuff around. It sounds like you're looking for categorical evidence backed up by objective data/measurements, as well as first person eye witness testimony and the individual player's video taped confessionals. It's almost as if you think you're on Golfwrx right now.

 

I have no idea if Patrick Cantlay is right eye dominant, nor do I know the true nature of of the cause and effect relationships involved in the origin story of his swing mechanics...but I know which way I would guess.

[Hawkeye77]

5 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

We're just brain noodling this stuff around. It sounds like you're looking for categorical evidence backed up by objective data/measurements, as well as first person eye witness testimony and the individual player's video taped confessionals. It's almost as if you think you're on Golfwrx right now.

 

 

😀

[virtuoso]

11 minutes ago, iceman1118 said:

My divots are definitely on the larger side. I am pretty sure it is just a function of my feeling like I am trying to cover the ball with my chest. 
 

Funny you mention pressure shift. I have a huge tendency to hang back on my trail side, especially with driver. Personally, I do not think that staying more behind it with driver is the answer. I still think the feeling of covering the ball with the driver is the way, which when the clubs get longer it is more imperative to get to the lead side. I could be way off base here, but this leads me to my next point regarding your post which is shot shape. I typically feel the more I am on my lead side at impact the easier it is to hit the fade. Whether the ball starts on line and falls right or is more of a pull cut I think will vary

 

 

I'd make a correction there. On longer clubs it is less imperative you get on the lead side. More likely it damages the club delivery. You can drive the ball awesome off the back foot, can't hit wedges that way.

[Nels55]

27 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

If we had to guess, what do we think this guys might be?

 

I would guess right eye dominant.  

[swh0507]

9 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

I'd make a correction there. On longer clubs it is less imperative you get on the lead side. More likely it damages the club delivery. You can drive the ball awesome off the back foot, can't hit wedges that way.

 Hitting wedge off your back foot maybe the secret to the infamous 60 yard chunk wedge advocated by a couple infamous members. 

[iceman1118]

15 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

I'd make a correction there. On longer clubs it is less imperative you get on the lead side. More likely it damages the club delivery. You can drive the ball awesome off the back foot, can't hit wedges that way.

Interesting. 
 

Glad the experts are here. I will grab another cup of coffee off the support group table

[mshills]

5 minutes ago, swh0507 said:

 Hitting wedge off your back foot maybe the secret to the infamous 60 yard chunk wedge advocated by a couple infamous members. 

Hey man, if you just get your setup nailed, the rest of hitting a shot just happens, falls into place, happens naturally. 

 

Manifest it. Speak it into existence!

 

Now where’s that trash can?

Edited July 21 by mshills

[virtuoso]

28 minutes ago, swh0507 said:

 Hitting wedge off your back foot maybe the secret to the infamous 60 yard chunk wedge advocated by a couple infamous members. 

Those were the best Golfwrx days.

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

If we had to guess, what do we think this guys might be?

 

[virtuoso]

Could this be a Right Eye Draw Pattern?

 

[virtuoso]

 

[virtuoso]

Cross eye dominant perhaps?

 

[virtuoso]

What eye dominance is this dude?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 21 by virtuoso

[virtuoso]

Bonus tip:

 

A trip to Superstition Mountain for a Right Eye Dominant golfer who is young and flexible, and has played baseball......might work out well.

 

....that same trip with a less flexible, left eye dominant golfer......oh no...no, no, no....

[bladehunter]

5 hours ago, virtuoso said:

 Don’t know how good of a Trevino that is but the ball was a baby fade. No where near over the top. OTT is downswing hand path out with shaft tipping over. 

Yep. About what I thought you’d say.  Or hoped.  I agree on the OTT.  But I asked because in A land far far away , for the first 5/6 years I played. That’s very similar to how I swung a club.  And technically how I played my best ever. Not by a wide Margin. But my scoring average was 72 and change for a whole summer that way.
 

Hurt my elbow on a wedge that stuck in the ground.  And as I came back someone convinced me that “ OTT move “ was the cause of my elbow injury.  Worked on taking the club alot less left and here I am.  Playing good. Shallow. No pain.  But. That sure fire fade was accurate as a prune danish.  

[golferdude54]

Back eye dominant have convenient stopping points for P3 and P4. I’ve noticed my front shoulder touches my chin in the backswing at exactly P3 if I don’t rotate my head P1-P3.

 

P3-P4 is letting the head rotate with the shoulder through the chin until just before the ball gets completely blacked out by the nose if only the back eye was open and the other closed.
 

The front arm clock position at that point seems to point past 10 o’clock but not 11, which is what Trevino’s P4 looked like.

 

Front eye dominance has the advantage of turning a lot more and hitting it longer but they have to figure out the point where it shifts from foveal vision on the ball to peripheral and stop short of that. There’s no blacking out “rule of nose” for them.

[golferdude54]

Add Calvin Peete, Jim Furyk, and Joe Durant to right eye dominant, these guys are former Mr. Fairways and Greens.  

[fjk]

Totally relate to OP and have wondered about this for a long time. 
 

closing my right eye loses 3d perception but makes setup and turn away and backswing mechanics way easier to achieve orthodox/traditional movements. 

[virtuoso]

2 hours ago, golferdude54 said:

Add Calvin Peete, Jim Furyk, and Joe Durant to right eye dominant, these guys are former Mr. Fairways and Greens.  

 

Edited July 22 by virtuoso

[virtuoso]

Henrik….looks like right eye:

 

[Hawkeye77]

Right eye now. 
 

 

[Mark58]

My guesses:

 

Cantlay-unsure. That is a very tight rotation

Leonard-right eye

Azinger-right eye

Stensen has been listed as right eye. Tony Finau has been described as right eye dominant via other sources, however, he may just have a short swing.