Right Hand, Right Eye Dominant Golfers

[Hawkeye77]

Just now, virtuoso said:

Are you trying to keep “right eye on the ball” currently?

Not.  Currently it's waist high swings trying to just find mine again and getting things synced up which seems to help with the overall lift of the head/body I guess, but no intent to work on it other than I used to turn the head back and inside and that's not the issue it used to be.

[virtuoso]

Just now, Hawkeye77 said:

Not.  Currently it's waist high swings trying to just find mine again and getting things synced up which seems to help with the overall lift of the head/body I guess, but no intent to work on it other than I used to turn the head back and inside and that's not the issue it used to be.

So, turning head to the right, ala Nicklaus, is worse?

[Hawkeye77]

8 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

So, turning head to the right, ala Nicklaus, is worse?

The intentional head c0ck was not a positive but that’s going to get in the weeds of alignment. 

[virtuoso]

12 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

The intentional head c0ck was not a positive but that’s going to get in the weeds of alignment. 

Gotcha, so that is an alignment thing, not a swing motion thing. So, turning head to the right, or not, has no influence on backswing turn, ie, Iacas can turn shoulders 115 degrees and keep both eyes on the ball. Admittedly, he might be an outlier is your turn influenced by your  address head position?

[Hawkeye77]

18 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Gotcha, so that is an alignment thing, not a swing motion thing. So, turning head to the right, or not, has no influence on backswing turn, ie, Iacas can turn shoulders 115 degrees and keep both eyes on the ball. Admittedly, he might be an outlier is your turn influenced by your  address head position?

It's really not, I'd say my address position is pretty good and nothing unusual.  I can make swings and a full turn and not have my right eye come off the ball, but put club in hand and I'm lifting and coming off a bit with all that extra "effort" sometimes and that's more the issue - "turning to the right" probably a bit of a misnomer, so may have caused some confusion with that. I don't intentionally turn/c0ck the head ala Nicklaus any more as part of a swing trigger, just referenced that to the extent it may have been relevant. 

 

EDIT:  he probably has better things to do (like watch The Open, which I'm doing) but maybe @MonteScheinblum can better explain what I'm doing, and maybe it's nothing at all like what I think I'm doing, haha, or even relevant. 😀

Edited July 20 by Hawkeye77

[bladehunter]

21 hours ago, virtuoso said:

It would be cool to do a poll to see how many each we have floating around here. A lot of people don’t even know what they are.

Love the topic. I’m extremely left eye.  Tested many times to be sure. But the kiss of certainty was a couple years ago when I picked up a rifle again and without a thought Cheated my left eye over to sight with. As a younger Man I hadn’t even realized  i did that.   Just did it to shoot well with.  This topic won’t show what I do. But it might explain it by showing the reverse. 

[iceman1118]

Great discussion so far. @iacas just fyi, your input on this topic is interesting. Wonder if you are some sort of outlier or would you go as far to see that maybe eye dominance is irrelevant? The ball isn’t moving so maybe we just all see things differently and we need to understand that?
 

Also, something I had not considered at all is depth perception in the non dominant eye. 

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Not quite - I have an issue with head lift and turn to the right as a consequence of the way I've swung a club since I was 10-11 (blame it on starting out with cut down stiff shafts/literally ancient clubs but who knows) so right eye "on the ball" is a tough one for me and just never had it there throughout the entirety of my backswing for decades.  I think around junior high/HS/college I thought for some reason mimicking Jack's head turn as a bit of a trigger out of complete ignorance of one of the reasons he did it (left eye dominant but he explained a different reason originally) - so I'll blame Jack as well. Anyone but me, lol. 

 

Edit:  I went so far once as to try practicing with an eye patch on my left eye (aaargh!) to see if it would help with changing the motion, but it didn't really.

Hawk…I think all of us that grew up in Jack’s era did that head move….which didn’t help me either being R eye dominant.

[Hawkeye77]

12 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Hawk…I think all of us that grew up in Jack’s era did that head move….which didn’t help me either being R eye dominant.

 

Yep, "Golf His Way!"

[sundaypins]

48 minutes ago, iceman1118 said:

The ball isn’t moving...

 

It isn't moving relevant to ground but it's moving relative to sensory process.  

[biker74]

Great thread. Responses by Virtuoso and Hawkeye really bring some great insights.Maybe this should be another thread.But when I turned 55 my eyes changed from slight near sided to dominant both eyes permanently near sided.My new eye changes and new eye gear actually made the ball appear as if it was teed up.Took me many seasons to adjust to my eye changes from aging.Often wonder what changes great golfers make when their eye sight dwindles with age 

[virtuoso]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Hawk…I think all of us that grew up in Jack’s era did that head move….which didn’t help me either being R eye dominant.

So are we deciding: head movement to the right is not good for right eye dominant? Just trying to see if there is a consensus, or no?

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, biker74 said:

Great thread. Responses by Virtuoso and Hawkeye really bring some great insights.Maybe this should be another thread.But when I turned 55 my eyes changed from slight near sided to dominant both eyes permanently near sided.My new eye changes and new eye gear actually made the ball appear as if it was teed up.Took me many seasons to adjust to my eye changes from aging.Often wonder what changes great golfers make when their eye sight dwindles with age 

 

My dominant eye vision has actually improved as I've gotten older, left eye slightly worse and I've ditched my contacts when playing the last couple of years - this thread has me thinking my non-dominant eye might need the correction for a reason I wasn't thinking about. Always good to overthink everything golf.

[Hawkeye77]

5 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

So are we deciding: head movement to the right is not good for right eye dominant? Just trying to see if there is a consensus, or no?

But there's head movement and there's head movement - I think @Shilgy and I are talking about a little head turn/cocking "trigger" vs. maybe what you may be onto with your ideas? I don't see anything from what we're describing that leads to generalizing vs. some other kind of movement or setup compensation someone might be using that might be not good for different reasons.

[virtuoso]

12 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

But there's head movement and there's head movement - I think @Shilgy and I are talking about a little head turn/cocking "trigger" vs. maybe what you may be onto with your ideas? I don't see anything from what we're describing that leads to generalizing vs. some other kind of movement or setup compensation someone might be using that might be not good for different reasons.

Ok, I’m just trying to have a precise understanding of what you guys are saying. It sounds like using a trigger that turns the head to the right for right eye dominant players may not be good, but perhaps turning the head to the right in the backswing is ok and not disruptive to the motion.

[sundaypins]

On 7/19/2025 at 12:44 PM, virtuoso said:

It would be cool to do a poll to see how many each we have floating around here. A lot of people don’t even know what they are.

 

Right handed, left eye dominant.   Known for a long time, asked an optometrist long ago.  

[virtuoso]

22 minutes ago, sundaypins said:

 

Right handed, left eye dominant.   Known for a long time, asked an optometrist long ago.  

Me same

[RayPlan]

I subscribe to @virtuoso's YouTube channel and he seems to have uploaded a whole bunch of videos on this very topic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RayPlan]

Here's several more

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shilgy]

4 hours ago, virtuoso said:

Ok, I’m just trying to have a precise understanding of what you guys are saying. It sounds like using a trigger that turns the head to the right for right eye dominant players may not be good, but perhaps turning the head to the right in the backswing is ok and not disruptive to the motion.

My understanding has always been Jack used it as a trigger…like Player kicked in his right knee.  So of course we were all taught to do that or at least felt we should mimic the best.  Problem is it “fit” Jack being left eye dominant. 
IMO the problem is most-I wanted to say “all” but will stick with most- players their head will turn slightly with the backswing.  So if you’re right eye dominant…add the Jack trigger…and then let the head go a bit more with the backswing you are needing to lose the view with your dominant eye and then your brain wants to regain it on the forward swing.

 

Edited July 20 by Shilgy

[Hawkeye77]

22 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

My understanding has always been Jack used it as a trigger…like Player kicked in his right knee.  So of course we were all taught to do that or at least felt we should mimic the best.  Problem is it “fit” Jack being left eye dominant. 
IMO the problem is most-I wanted to say “all” but will stick with most- players there head will turn slightly with the backswing.  So if you’re right eye dominant…add the Jack trigger…and then let the head go a bit more with the backswing you are needing to lose the view with your dominant eye and then your brain wants to regain it on the forward swing.

 

And even worse if you fight aligning right of target and take that head a little to the inside as well, lol. 

[aswile]

On 7/19/2025 at 1:17 PM, Choclab said:

I'm right handed and left-eye dominant.

 

Hasn't helped me a bit.  

Same here.

[HitSomeMissSome]

On 7/19/2025 at 7:56 AM, iceman1118 said:

Right eye dominant people set up with a certain neck alignment to keep their right eye on the ball. In order to move the body in a way that accommodates that they should:

 

They sure do!! I took a lesson and the coach put some painters tape on my sunglasses, so my left eye had to take responsibility.  Worked great and I was able to set up without the "craning" look I detested. I put some blue tape on over my right lens from time to time to get more level with my head and neck tilts. Felt more comfortable.

[bladehunter]

21 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Hawk…I think all of us that grew up in Jack’s era did that head move….which didn’t help me either being R eye dominant.

Being left eye dominant. I’m thankful for his idea of the head tilt.   I also end up in a putting crouch that’s very similar . Because it allowed you to get your head down and back behind the ball so the left eye gets on the line and you can “ see”.  Right eye dominant righty’s have a distinct advantage in seeing while putting.  You don’t have to do anything but tilt the head to sight down the line. If I do that , I’m skewing that aim off to the right.  

[Mark58]

Thank Youi for starting this topic iceman. I was going to start a similar topic, but you have done such a nice job with it, no need. There are some very good points and observations.

 

Virtuoso's quality post inspired me to register. I am a very long term reader of this forum.

 

I know forum members like to look for measured facts and observable realities, and leave subjective opinions aside, if there is such a thing, but I look for what might be considered "useful" in forum posts. While eye dominance is debatable in terms of the effects on the golf swing, it is still useful information to read others opinions on this topic and apply some of the conclusions,. In the end ,we all want to improve.

 

So to add to this discussion, maybe we could reverse engineer this a bit and look for things we should not do as a right eye dominant golfer. This is to prevent us from going down all of the various rabbit holes which lead absolutely no where.

 

I am no expert on this topic, so what are your ideas of some common current or past instruction that might not be useful for right eye dominant golfers.

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

12 minutes ago, Mark58 said:

Thank Youi for starting this topic iceman. I was going to start a similar topic, but you have done such a nice job with it, no need. There are some very good points and observations.

 

Virtuoso's quality post inspired me to register. I am a very long term reader of this forum.

 

I know forum members like to look for measured facts and observable realities, and leave subjective opinions aside, if there is such a thing, but I look for what might be considered "useful" in forum posts. While eye dominance is debatable in terms of the effects on the golf swing, it is still useful information to read others opinions on this topic and apply some of the conclusions,. In the end ,we all want to improve.

 

So to add to this discussion, maybe we could reverse engineer this a bit and look for things we should not do as a right eye dominant golfer. This is to prevent us from going down all of the various rabbit holes which lead absolutely no where.

 

I am no expert on this topic, so what are your ideas of some common current or past instruction that might not be useful for right eye dominant golfers.

 

 

Things I shouldn't do as a right eye dominant golfer to be found in the world of instruction are all the infinite number of things that get discussed on here all the time.

[mshills]

On 7/19/2025 at 12:44 PM, virtuoso said:

It would be cool to do a poll to see how many each we have floating around here. A lot of people don’t even know what they are.

Left eye dominant. 
 

VERY VERY right hand dominant. 😁

[virtuoso]

21 minutes ago, Mark58 said:

Thank Youi for starting this topic iceman. I was going to start a similar topic, but you have done such a nice job with it, no need. There are some very good points and observations.

 

Virtuoso's quality post inspired me to register. I am a very long term reader of this forum.

 

I know forum members like to look for measured facts and observable realities, and leave subjective opinions aside, if there is such a thing, but I look for what might be considered "useful" in forum posts. While eye dominance is debatable in terms of the effects on the golf swing, it is still useful information to read others opinions on this topic and apply some of the conclusions,. In the end ,we all want to improve.

 

So to add to this discussion, maybe we could reverse engineer this a bit and look for things we should not do as a right eye dominant golfer. This is to prevent us from going down all of the various rabbit holes which lead absolutely no where.

 

I am no expert on this topic, so what are your ideas of some common current or past instruction that might not be useful for right eye dominant golfers.

 

 

Do less of these things:

 

More torso lean away form target on backswing and maintained in downswing

Head turns more to the right and bigger hip turn in backswing

Weaker/more neutral grip

More vertical swing plane 

More arm swing operating independent of pivot

Less torso rotation throught impact--more lateral pelvis shift

More forearm rotation to square face--Cwox type A release (less early left wrist extension)

More open/neutral clubface on backswing

More dark voodoo connection of left arm spacer to torso

Higher traj

Suits draw pattern well

Less forward handle lean at impact

Head swivel releases later in follow through

Stronger laterals vs rotation shear in GRF vs RED Pattern

Less plane shallowing in transition

[bladehunter]

19 hours ago, RayPlan said:

Here's several more

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell us about Trevino v2.  That’s some serious gang signage at the end .  🤨.   But seriously.  Is that “ over the top “. And how much did the ball go left to right ?  As in a lot.  Or just fall right or ?   @virtuoso

Edited July 21 by bladehunter

[virtuoso]

7 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Tell us about Trevino v2.  That’s some serious gang signage at the end .  🤨.   But seriously.  Is that “ over the top “. And how much did the ball go left to right ?  As in a lot.  Or just fall right or ?   @virtuoso

 Don’t know how good of a Trevino that is but the ball was a baby fade. No where near over the top. OTT is downswing hand path out with shaft tipping over.