Creating space is bunk!

[Golfbeat]

Further in the @getitdaily series.

 

 

[TheDeanAbides]

Yeah, good video. This is why 2D is so misleading, and actual measured data in 3D dispels myths. Thanks for posting. 

[MonteScheinblum]

This video is why these two drills are so helpful.

 

Been teaching both for 10+ years.  
 

It’s so funny, the narrative has been passive arms early and shove hands in front for the ball late.  As Denis Lemieux said….”All Bad!”…….You feel shame.”

 

First one gets hands to where they should be, then rotation gats hands passed the ]ball.  When people see how much shaft lean they get with drill 1, their heads spin and say, “I never do this, I’m trying to shove my hands in front of the ball and hold off the release.”
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnHtR2hoW-W/?igsh=MXYwMDN2Mm1qb3k3ZQ==

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXBjwKzLNT/?igsh=bGVndXB5amt5aWE0

[Golfbeat]

Some people might remember @Jim Waldron. He taught what is in the video decades ago with the Arm Swing Illusion without having fancy stuff like GEARS.

Edited July 28 by Golfbeat
Clarification

[wasko]

I don't think it's about creating space but about maintaining the space that you have. For some people who have a tendency to move into the ball with their right-side early (heel completely off the ground before club is at P6) they may need to feel they are creating space but should do it on the backswing (load trail hip) not the downswing. There is a guy at the driving range I go to that gets his right elbow completely in front of his trail hip on the downswing but at setup he is much farther from the ball (think shaft perpendicular to spine angle) and he can close the face like a champ. If he doesn't, hello net on the right.

 

Really liking the AMG vids lately, shied away from Youtube golf vids for quite awhile but just started watching these guys again. Some good stuff in there.

Edited July 28 by wasko

[TheDeanAbides]

15 minutes ago, Golfbeat said:

Some people might remember @Jim Waldron. He taught what is in the video decades ago with the Arm Swing Illusion without having fancy stuff like GEARS.

He did, but he also taught passive arms, which isn't a thing. 

[Golfbeat]

1 minute ago, TheDeanAbides said:

He did, but he also taught passive arms, which isn't a thing. 

 

Agreed, no such thing as gravity drop.

[golferdude54]

So Moe Norman's set-up was actually correct the whole time? I could tell that was in their minds as they were explaining clubhead back, handle higher but they didn't want to mention him at all...

[RayPlan]

3 hours ago, Golfbeat said:

Further in the @getitdaily series.

 

 

Good video. I like the way AMG breaks down the different pieces of the swing.

 

This is essentially the flaw I'm working on right now, throwing my arms at the ball instead of getting my arms into the funnel then turning through impact. 

 

It's a hard pattern to break because the body tries to "help" by throwing the arms out to the ball, intentions be damned. That's why it takes so many reps to break, because of the unconscious movements that show up once there's a ball in the way.

[scotts33]

26 minutes ago, golferdude54 said:

So Moe Norman's set-up was actually correct the whole time? I could tell that was in their minds as they were explaining clubhead back, handle higher but they didn't want to mention him at all...

So isn't this close to Kirk Junge's Setup 4 Impact?  

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

This video is why these two drills are so helpful.

 

Been teaching both for 10+ years.  
 

It’s so funny, the narrative has been passive arms early and shove hands in front for the ball late.  As Denis Lemieux said….”All Bad!”…….You feel shame.”

 

First one gets hands to where they should be, then rotation gats hands passed the ]ball.  When people see how much shaft lean they get with drill 1, their heads spin and say, “I never do this, I’m trying to shove my hands in front of the ball and hold off the release.”
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnHtR2hoW-W/?igsh=MXYwMDN2Mm1qb3k3ZQ==

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXBjwKzLNT/?igsh=bGVndXB5amt5aWE0

I think the AMG video is a bit nuanced and kind of hard to follow. 

 

I like your 2nd linked short a lot more.

Edited July 28 by getitdaily

[airjammer]

So essentially swinging out to the right for a right hand player has been correct this whole time and if you start hooking the ball then work on your pivot????

[getitdaily]

8 minutes ago, airjammer said:

So essentially swinging out to the right for a right hand player has been correct this whole time and if you start hooking the ball then work on your pivot????

Basically. So how many 8 degrees in to out paths will show up based on that video because "work on your pivot" is rather ambiguous and difficult. We'll see justification of the swing to right field but continued massive EE and lamenting...

[airjammer]

37 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Basically. So how many 8 degrees in to out paths will show up based on that video because "work on your pivot" is rather ambiguous and difficult. We'll see justification of the swing to right field but continued massive EE and lamenting...

Maybe for the next video they can enlighten us on why swing to the right was usually accompanied by early extension and how to fix it. 
 

Kinda interesting that the more technology we have the more it seems like the old timers without technology had it figured out just as much as we do today with technology because in the end all of this 3-D data is just putting numbers to something someone can see visually. 

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, airjammer said:

Maybe for the next video they can enlighten us on why swing to the right was usually accompanied by early extension and how to fix it. 
 

Kinda interesting that the more technology we have the more it seems like the old timers without technology had it figured out just as much as we do today with technology because in the end all of this 3-D data is just putting numbers to something someone can see visually. 

Yep. 

 

And in 5 years we'll all be swinging like Bruce lietzke once someone puts gears on his method...

[Hilts1969]

10 minutes ago, airjammer said:

Maybe for the next video they can enlighten us on why swing to the right was usually accompanied by early extension and how to fix it. 
 

Kinda interesting that the more technology we have the more it seems like the old timers without technology had it figured out just as much as we do today with technology because in the end all of this 3-D data is just putting numbers to something someone can see visually. 

 

Because if you tell someone to swing to right field in the downswing that's what they will do EE and drop the right shoulder because you have to do that from the top to achieve that goal.

 

If however you connect your right elbow first the club has shallowed so youre coming from a completely different place. I dont think AMG can be held responsible for people ignoring the majority of the video they have just watched. .

 

Elbow away 

Elbow to side 

Elbow away 

 

 

 

 

[sundaypins]

Nice seeing AMG video talking about a return 'spot', or area, associated with 'shallowing the right amount' on the return swing, otherwise known from the player's view as 'the slot'- a dynamic that's been talked about for ages and found not by placement, but by process.   Here's a good complimentary video on striking from trail side. 

 

 

1 hour ago, airjammer said:

So essentially swinging out to the right for a right hand player has been correct this whole time and if you start hooking the ball then work on your pivot????

 

Arm routing can be more down the line and still be on the trail side using a more compressive down into the ball versus throwing through the ball.  Still have to work on pivot either way. 

[getitdaily]

8 minutes ago, Hilts1969 said:

 

 

Elbow away 

Elbow to side 

Elbow away 

 

 

 

 

Eerily similar to Harvey penick's teaching.

[airjammer]

5 minutes ago, sundaypins said:

Nice seeing AMG video talking about a return 'spot', or area, associated with 'shallowing the right amount' on the return swing, otherwise known from the player's view as 'the slot'- a dynamic that's been talked about for ages and found not by placement, but by process.   Here's a good complimentary video on striking from trail side. 

 

 

 

Arm routing can be more down the line and still be on the trail side using a more compressive down into the ball versus throwing through the ball.  Still have to work on pivot either way. 

💯 it can but let into what the reality of the situation is, to get to the positions they have been talking about in this video, you need your hips open 45 degrees per Shawn. That’s literally just most women, most juniors, and professionals golfers. The vast vast majority of golfers will never come close to that therefore hitting with the right side of your body is a not feasible because people run out of range of motion and just have to stall and thrust to accelerate the club to hit the ball. 
 

I don’t disagree with anything they have put out recently, I just don’t think it applicable to the majority of golfers. Most pro golfers are genetic freaks in one way or another or at a minimum been hitting balls from a young age to develop and maintain important range of motion. 
 

 

[MK7Golf21]

5 minutes ago, airjammer said:

💯 it can but let into what the reality of the situation is, to get to the positions they have been talking about in this video, you need your hips open 45 degrees per Shawn. That’s literally just most women, most juniors, and professionals golfers. The vast vast majority of golfers will never come close to that therefore hitting with the right side of your body is a not feasible because people run out of range of motion and just have to stall and thrust to accelerate the club to hit the ball. 
 

I don’t disagree with anything they have put out recently, I just don’t think it applicable to the majority of golfers. Most pro golfers are genetic freaks in one way or another or at a minimum been hitting balls from a young age to develop and maintain important range of motion. 
 

 

yeah, most am’s are pretty much square at impact with hips so swinging out to right like you are open 45 will probably cause some issues. 

[GoGoErky]

7 minutes ago, airjammer said:

💯 it can but let into what the reality of the situation is, to get to the positions they have been talking about in this video, you need your hips open 45 degrees per Shawn. That’s literally just most women, most juniors, and professionals golfers. The vast vast majority of golfers will never come close to that therefore hitting with the right side of your body is a not feasible because people run out of range of motion and just have to stall and thrust to accelerate the club to hit the ball. 
 

I don’t disagree with anything they have put out recently, I just don’t think it applicable to the majority of golfers. Most pro golfers are genetic freaks in one way or another or at a minimum been hitting balls from a young age to develop and maintain important range of motion. 
 

 

Most people run out of range of motion due to improper mechanics not due to lack of flexibility or mobility. Monte talks about this a lot with his lessons and even older students who come in and say they can’t make a full turn or they aren’t flexible. He then shows them how to move properly and they get full range of motionz

[airjammer]

A full turn in a backswing is not even close to the same as a downswing hip turn imo. There is all kinds of things you can do get a fuller backswing turn like opening your the trail leg, allowing the hips to open up more, and more extension of the spine at the top. 
 

Besides opening up your lead foot which can have some negative GRF implications… if you don’t have enough lead hip mobility, your body will not allow you to have your hips open 45°. 

[biker74]

What a video.So basically my massive inside I had for decade(s) was a good starting point?I guess the next feel would’ve been over the top with the body. And agree about so many of us played and never get better.Our understanding of the golf swing is all out of wack.But than we have teachers/golf methods that say pull the handle into front of left pocket or drive the right elbow. So they are basically feeding us bad info 

Edited July 28 by biker74

[Hilts1969]

1 hour ago, airjammer said:

💯 it can but let into what the reality of the situation is, to get to the positions they have been talking about in this video, you need your hips open 45 degrees per Shawn. That’s literally just most women, most juniors, and professionals golfers. The vast vast majority of golfers will never come close to that therefore hitting with the right side of your body is a not feasible because people run out of range of motion and just have to stall and thrust to accelerate the club to hit the ball. 
 

I don’t disagree with anything they have put out recently, I just don’t think it applicable to the majority of golfers. Most pro golfers are genetic freaks in one way or another or at a minimum been hitting balls from a young age to develop and maintain important range of motion. 
 

 

 

I don't think that  golfers aren't open because of physical limitations. I haven't met anyone who can't open their hips, it's really very easy and only something really debilitating would prevent it. It's a swing issue for the vast majority. 

 

Moving your hips open is not a gymnastic endeavour:-) 

[airjammer]

33 minutes ago, biker74 said:

What a video.So basically my massive inside I had for decade(s) was a good starting point?I guess the next feel would’ve been over the top with the body. And agree about so many of us played and never get better.Our understanding of the golf swing is all out of wack.But than we have teachers/golf methods that say pull the handle into front of left pocket or drive the right elbow. So they are basically feeding us bad info 

That’s the beauty of teaching, sometimes you can tell a student the wrong information but it’s actually the right feel for the student. 
 

The old and new ball flight laws as a decent example of this. 

[Ambion]

Great video, thanks for sharing.

[airjammer]

9 minutes ago, Hilts1969 said:

 

I don't think that  golfers aren't open because of physical limitations. I haven't met anyone who can't open their hips, it's really very easy and only something really debilitating would prevent it. It's a swing issue for the vast majority. 

 

Moving your hips open is not a gymnastic endeavour:-) 

I’m not a expert on this subject matter but as 46 year old male that never had a desk job, that getting my belt buckle over my left foot is at my end range of motion and there is no way my body is letting me hit that end range of motion swinging 113 mph. 
 

I’m certainly open to be very wrong about my statement but I don’t believe I am. This has been a hit topic since Gankas got hot. Nobody besides maybe Milo, has people hitting with their right side than Gankas and yet it’s extremely rare to see an old timer on his feed. There is a reason for that imo. 

Edited July 28 by airjammer
Proofreading is hard when your mind inserts the correct word

[Simpsonia]

The only thing that annoys me about this video is that they don't really talk about swing/move intentions. They are absolutely right that the arms are still on the trail side through impact (which is absolutely valid to show to Ams who are often confused about that part). But, a golfer still needs the intention to be moving the arms up and through abduction, just in the proper sequence. I think some Ams will see this, without that distinction, and see it as more evidence for passive arms, when it's not. They do mention that the arms move up and through abduction later in the follow-through, which is when it does happen, but the swing is so fast that you need that intention to move the arms far before the arms actually start doing it. 

Edited July 28 by Simpsonia

[getitdaily]

6 minutes ago, Simpsonia said:

The only thing that annoys me about this video is that they don't really talk about swing/move intentions. They are absolutely right that the arms are still on the trail side through impact (which is absolutely valid to show to Ams who are often confused about that part). But, a golfer still needs the intention to be moving the arms up and through abduction, just in the proper sequence. I think some Ams will see this, without that distinction, and see it as more evidence for passive arms, when it's not. They do mention that the arms move up and through abduction later in the follow-through, which is when it does happen, but the swing is so fast that you need that intention to move the arms far before the arms actually start doing it. 

100% agree. The video is highly technical which leads to massive fluctuations in interpretation. 

 

I can easily see passive arms as an interpretation and I can easily see massive in to out paths.

 

Im not sure most ams understand just how hard you have to rotate to negate a big inside orientation to path at p4.5.

 

 

[biker74]

11 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

100% agree. The video is highly technical which leads to massive fluctuations in interpretation. 

 

I can easily see passive arms as an interpretation and I can easily see massive in to out paths.

 

Im not sure most ams understand just how hard you have to rotate to negate a big inside orientation to path at p4.5.

 

 

I’m guessing the pulling the handle or leading with the right elbow is what they are bunking. But I could be wrong. I’m surely no expert 😞