Azinger.......... Ryder Cup Spoiler

[Pinehurst1999]

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

[Scotttau]

Cheering when someone misses a putt is FINE and acceptable. When a guy misses a field goal in Football doesn't the other team cheer? When a soccer (sorry...football for you Euros) player misses a PK the other team and fans cheer right? When a basketball player misses a free throw the other team and fans cheer, right? So who should it be wrong in golf? It is pure competition at its finest and the Euros are looking for something to complain about since they got their lunch handed to them by a sub-par, Tigerless American team with grit and fire.

 

You're aware that all those other sports aren't golf, right?

[imsocrabby]

if your competitor missed a putt, you take a deep breath and move on to the next hole to grind it out some more.....but...however...

 

 

if your competitor misses a putt and that means you win the match...you get excited and celebrate. that's just the way it is. you're not celebrating your competitor's misfortune....you're celebrating the fact that you won.

 

 

 

take out missed putt and insert goal...or shot....or point.....or touchdown.....or whatever.....and now you have sport. throw in some fans....and now you have spectator sport.

 

get over it.

[Scotttau]

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

 

No, it isn't actually. Golf is golf. Ettiquite is what it is. The fella in your sig would certainly never cheer an opponent's failure...

[Scotttau]

but...however... if your competitor misses a putt and that means you win the match...you get excited and celebrate. that's just the way it is. you're not celebrating your competitor's misfortune....you're celebrating the fact that you won.

 

Which would be a perfectly acceptable explanation if that were the only time a missed putt was celebrated. We both know that wasn't the case.

[Pinehurst1999]

There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

Why is it that only the losers make that statement? When in competition, winning is the goal and nothing else is even close. Finishing second with class is worthless in a competition of 2 teams. It has been a great month of sports with the Olympics, Ryder Cup, NFL starting, FedEx Cup Playoffs! Love it!!

[imsocrabby]

but...however... if your competitor misses a putt and that means you win the match...you get excited and celebrate. that's just the way it is. you're not celebrating your competitor's misfortune....you're celebrating the fact that you won.

 

Which would be a perfectly acceptable explanation if that were the only time a missed putt was celebrated. We both know that wasn't the case.

 

 

but cheering by the fans after the putts were missed was perfectly acceptable, imo, for the reasons already discussed.

 

 

we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

 

 

and truly. can you tell me that all those Cup matches across the pond....the euro fans never cheered a missed putt? seriously?

[gibby]

There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

Why is it that only the losers make that statement? When in competition, winning is the goal and nothing else is even close. Finishing second with class is worthless in a competition of 2 teams. It has been a great month of sports with the Olympics, Ryder Cup, NFL starting, FedEx Cup Playoffs! Love it!!

 

 

"finishing second with class is worthless"? I think finishing in any position with class shows true character........ask Jack about finishing second with class?

[Scotttau]

Imsocrabby:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robhodgetts/200...part_three.html

 

There you go.

[Pinehurst1999]

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

 

No, it isn't actually. Golf is golf. Ettiquite is what it is. The fella in your sig would certainly never cheer an opponent's failure...

Holy crap, you guys just do not get it...NO ONE IS CHEERING THE FAILURE. Understand?!?! They are cheering their hard work and victory! That is all their is to it, if the victory comes from making a putt, great...if it comes from the others missing a putt, great! Is it less of a win since the other guy missed his putt? NO NO NO NO NO. It is still a win and worth cheering.

 

I guarantee that Payne Stewart was used as inspiration for the US team with Tracy and his kids there this weekend. It was classy for Zinger (and I can not stand the guy) to have the Stewarts there for the competition, because it was Payne's most cherished part of golf.

[Pinehurst1999]

There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

Why is it that only the losers make that statement? When in competition, winning is the goal and nothing else is even close. Finishing second with class is worthless in a competition of 2 teams. It has been a great month of sports with the Olympics, Ryder Cup, NFL starting, FedEx Cup Playoffs! Love it!!

 

 

"finishing second with class is worthless"? I think finishing in any position with class shows true character........ask Jack about finishing second with class?

I agree...but I bet Jack would tell you that none of those seconds were ever as fulfilling as those firsts. Finishing with class is very important...right Sergio?

[imsocrabby]

Thanks for the link.

 

 

Exactly how that makes Paul Azinger bad for America or an embarrassment is lost on me. I would bet everyone here and there....on both sides, etc.....has put their foot in their mouth once or twice.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

:clapping:

 

Behaviour like Zinger's adds to the increasingly common prception outside the US that you're a pack of tossers.

 

I mean, telling a bar full of fans to cheer missed putts? The lack of sportsmanship is immense. But the US won, so you guys don't care. There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

[gibby]

There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

Why is it that only the losers make that statement? When in competition, winning is the goal and nothing else is even close. Finishing second with class is worthless in a competition of 2 teams. It has been a great month of sports with the Olympics, Ryder Cup, NFL starting, FedEx Cup Playoffs! Love it!!

 

 

"finishing second with class is worthless"? I think finishing in any position with class shows true character........ask Jack about finishing second with class?

I agree...but I bet Jack would tell you that none of those seconds were ever as fulfilling as those firsts. Finishing with class is very important...right Sergio?

 

 

Make up your mind! nobody ever said finishing second was as fulfilling as finishing first! I agree regarding Sergio, but that has nothing to do with your earlier post.

[joe68odessa]

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

 

No, it isn't actually. Golf is golf. Ettiquite is what it is. The fella in your sig would certainly never cheer an opponent's failure...

Holy crap, you guys just do not get it...NO ONE IS CHEERING THE FAILURE. Understand?!?! They are cheering their hard work and victory! That is all their is to it, if the victory comes from making a putt, great...if it comes from the others missing a putt, great! Is it less of a win since the other guy missed his putt? NO NO NO NO NO. It is still a win and worth cheering.

 

I guarantee that Payne Stewart was used as inspiration for the US team with Tracy and his kids there this weekend. It was classy for Zinger (and I can not stand the guy) to have the Stewarts there for the competition, because it was Payne's most cherished part of golf.

 

 

EXACTLY!!! HELLO???? THEY WERE NOT CHEERING THE MISSED PUTTS!!! THEY WERE CHEERING THAT WE WON OR HALVED THAT PARTICULAR HOLE!!!! Did you hear anyone cheer when a Euro ripped a tee shot into a sandtrap??? NO! They werent cheering because they missed the damn putt!!! C'mon you guys??? stop with all the accusations, excuses, complaining, trailer-trash comments, etc! :clapping:

[Scotttau]

Ask anyone on tour what they think of cheering missed putts. It's not cool. One of the reasons I love golf is that is has standards that other sports don't and does not accept poor behaviour. It will be a very sad day if that disappears from the game.

The Ryder Cup is not the tour...it is a team event with great pride...so to compare it to the tour is apples and oranges. Cheering a missed putt is fine at the Ryder Cup if it means that your team wins as a result.

 

No, it isn't actually. Golf is golf. Ettiquite is what it is. The fella in your sig would certainly never cheer an opponent's failure...

Holy crap, you guys just do not get it...NO ONE IS CHEERING THE FAILURE. Understand?!?! They are cheering their hard work and victory!

 

And when they cheered a ball going into the water?

 

I realise you will defend it all to the hilt, but I want to give you the privelage to put such a poor attitude and a lack of respect down for all of us to see.

[drpino]

for all of you (on both sides) arguing over the Azinger encouraging cheering missed putts...please read some of the links from this Google News search. it might make you ALL actually THINK about what you're writing before you click the "submit" button:

 

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=...amp;btnG=Search

 

yes, he said it. no, most fans didn't do it. yes, most fans disagreed with it. yes, zinger actually thinks that Euros doing the same thing across the pond "get it."

 

puts a little twist on the whole thing, dontchathink?

[benstone]

:clapping:

 

Behaviour like Zinger's adds to the increasingly common prception outside the US that you're a pack of tossers.

 

I mean, telling a bar full of fans to cheer missed putts? The lack of sportsmanship is immense. But the US won, so you guys don't care. There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

 

 

please...again....

 

 

link us to that. show me that he really said that. all i watched was the golf itself...no press conferences....no after shows....

 

 

is what you state true?

 

Read HERE where it says that Azinger was urging the crowd to cheer missed putts. Not acceptable behaviour for ANY Ryder Cup Captain.

 

Generally I have no problem with the atmosphere that is unique to the Ryder Cup; it certainly stirs people's passion as can be seen in various posts on here. I do have a problem when the whole "win at all costs, second is first loser" rubbish leads to behaviour that crosses the line and results in people calling out in a player's backswing, shouting "miss it" to a player about to putt, or direct abuse of a player and their family.

[DemolitionMan]

Let this be the last post on Payne Stewart in this thread, otherwise someone will be gone for the simple fact you cannot show even the least bit of restraint and manners.

 

This is supposed to be a day to celebrate a great Ryder Cup, a great competition, and the U.S. team finally bringing a winning formula. If you can't manage to participate politely, then don't post.

[Scotttau]

imsocrabby

really?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2645872

 

What a shite story. He didn't die in a plane crash. He died in mid air. Big difference. I'd take anything written in the story with a grain of salt if the author can't even get his cause of death right!

 

 

 

oh my god, why do you have to get so technical? who knows if he was dead yet??? maybe they were all just unconscious and died when the plane crashed??? Im no expert, but nobody really knows

 

A journalist is only as good as his accuracy. I know, I am one. If you cannot get such a well-known and crucial fact right, you cannot expect people to believe other things you then write without evidence (ie. the claim that Stewart would hev been Ryder Cup captain).

 

I haven't argued against Stwart here. Remember it was me who asked Gibby for info on his being disliked as it was something I hadn't heard before.

 

To answer your question: I need to be technical because without fact you just have claim and counterclaim, as the last page of this thread shows.

 

EDIT - Didn't see the warning re: PS. Sorry.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

 

 

 

[scottthehibee]

:clapping:

 

Behaviour like Zinger's adds to the increasingly common prception outside the US that you're a pack of tossers.

 

I mean, telling a bar full of fans to cheer missed putts? The lack of sportsmanship is immense. But the US won, so you guys don't care. There is a lot more to life than whether you win or lose.

 

Wow if we are tossers then I have no idea what to say to the bunch of cry babies across the pond WTF you lost get the F over it. How the hell does a bar full of USA fans cheering for a missed put have any effect on the outcome of the Ryder Cup. Don't you think you wankers would cheer the crap out of a missed spainaird free kick in a soccer match. Take the loss with some grace, you got outplayed for once in the last six years, shut the hell up and give credit where credit is due. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You do realise that the guy you're quoting is an Aussie? but don't let that stop your sweeping rants.

[Pinehurst1999]

Let this be the last post on Payne Stewart in this thread, otherwise someone will be gone for the simple fact you cannot show even the least bit of restraint and manners.

 

This is supposed to be a day to celebrate a great Ryder Cup, a great competition, and the U.S. team finally bringing a winning formula. If you can't manage to participate politely, then don't post.

Greatly appreciated...congrats to the US team. They have suffed some huge Ryder Cup losses with class in the past several competitions and I am glad to see heart and emotions worn on their sleve as they pulled off the upset.

[marcus2905]

As an Englishman, I would like to congratulate the American Ryder Cup Team on their fantastic performance over the last three days. Dont get me wrong, I really wanted the europeans to win, but at the end of the day regardless of how the course was set up, how the fans got involved blah,blah,blah the simple truth is that the American team played better when it mattered.

Anybody who is wholly honest will acknowledge that golf at this level is usually decided by a moment of inspiration, good fortune/luck and sheer self belief - also it would be fair to say that over the last couple of Ryder Cups most of these items have favoured the Euros more than the Americans - so to see Hunter Mahan leaving a pitchmark on the hole with his putt on17 last night was quite refreshing (if not a bit annoying if I am honest).

It should also be noted that had it not been for a couple of major blow ups by Americans losing large leads in matches, the result would have been decided a whole lot earlier. To all europeans - cheer up - nobody died.... losing or in this case being beaten is a potential consequence of competition and should be accepted in good grace.

 

To all Americans - enjoy your victory you deserved it,

 

To everybody - perhaps we should put aside all of this american/euro rivalry which verges on hatred every 2 years ... if our military personal can stand shoulder to shoulder around the world to provide a safe and secure future for us all - it seems strange that we cannot enjoy the ryder cup for what it is - a sporting event, featuring true excellence but at the end of the day nothing to tear apart nations who in all other fields are classed as the closest of allies.

 

On a final note - JIM FURYK - his demeanour after winning his singles match yesterday was first class, his comments regarding the performance of MA Jiminez, his feelings for how his opponent must be feeling etc have raised my already high regard for him as a representative of the game of golf - he is often portrayed as being dull/dour but in my opinion he has demonstrated himself to be a man of the highest honor and dignity and dare I say it set a benchmark as to how all players in future Ryder Cups should conduct themselves, he is a truly classy gentleman.

[imsocrabby]

On a final note - JIM FURYK - his demeanour after winning his singles match yesterday was first class, his comments regarding the performance of MA Jiminez, his feelings for how his opponent must be feeling etc have raised my already high regard for him as a representative of the game of golf - he is often portrayed as being dull/dour but in my opinion he has demonstrated himself to be a man of the highest honor and dignity and dare I say it set a benchmark as to how all players in future Ryder Cups should conduct themselves, he is a truly classy gentleman.

 

+1

 

this cannot be emphasized enough. your entire post is spot on. well done.

[Pinehurst1999]

As an Englishman, I would like to congratulate the American Ryder Cup Team on their fantastic performance over the last three days. Dont get me wrong, I really wanted the europeans to win, but at the end of the day regardless of how the course was set up, how the fans got involved blah,blah,blah the simple truth is that the American team played better when it mattered.

Anybody who is wholly honest will acknowledge that golf at this level is usually decided by a moment of inspiration, good fortune/luck and sheer self belief - also it would be fair to say that over the last couple of Ryder Cups most of these items have favoured the Euros more than the Americans - so to see Hunter Mahan leaving a pitchmark on the hole with his putt on17 last night was quite refreshing (if not a bit annoying if I am honest).

It should also be noted that had it not been for a couple of major blow ups by Americans losing large leads in matches, the result would have been decided a whole lot earlier. To all europeans - cheer up - nobody died.... losing or in this case being beaten is a potential consequence of competition and should be accepted in good grace.

 

To all Americans - enjoy your victory you deserved it,

 

To everybody - perhaps we should put aside all of this american/euro rivalry which verges on hatred every 2 years ... if our military personal can stand shoulder to shoulder around the world to provide a safe and secure future for us all - it seems strange that we cannot enjoy the ryder cup for what it is - a sporting event, featuring true excellence but at the end of the day nothing to tear apart nations who in all other fields are classed as the closest of allies.

 

On a final note - JIM FURYK - his demeanour after winning his singles match yesterday was first class, his comments regarding the performance of MA Jiminez, his feelings for how his opponent must be feeling etc have raised my already high regard for him as a representative of the game of golf - he is often portrayed as being dull/dour but in my opinion he has demonstrated himself to be a man of the highest honor and dignity and dare I say it set a benchmark as to how all players in future Ryder Cups should conduct themselves, he is a truly classy gentleman.

All very well articulated and this could not be emphasized enough! Especially about Furyk's emotions and statements!