The "Not So" Custom Shop

[Jaylasvegas]

So nobody cares about the Horrid orange color "Scotty" vomited onto my putter?

yea man , that's horrendous, it must have been done when Scotty was at lunch and jo jo the intern was there

[Hairpie]

I always thought "custom" meant exactly that.....Or to put it another way, what the "customer" wants...I can see Cameron only offering original finishes, etc. but drawing a line in the sand over paintfill seems a bit ridiculous....I guess I'll stick with my "boutique" putter makers. At least they truly are "Custom" shops....

[tangojay]

I guess I don't see the point of your rant. The studio has always had very specific rules about what they will or will not do. If anything is in question, I always just write them up front to find out if they will do what I would like. If you don't feel their rules fit what you want, you just find another refinisher. There have been tons and tons of post here and almost every other golf related website so the guys out there doing the work is pretty well known.

Scotty has very good reasons why they will only do certain things and if you disagree, write them and ask them to further explain the reasons. I have found them to be very good at saying why they do what they do, or why they won't do certain things.

 

 

Call me crazy, but I spent more than 2k on a putter, and I wanted the people who made it to refinish it... I did write them and they rejected my request...

OK, they would not do what you wanted them to do. Like I said, they have VERY specific rules about refinish work. What it is what it is.

Lots of other options out there. Lots of other's will do what you ask. Why come here and rant on and on about it? If you call or write the custom shop and ask them why, they will give you a very simple answer. Just ask instead of ranting. They are very open to their reason for doing certain things and are very forthcoming with this information. The price of the putter has nothing to do with it.

 

Maybe this is one of the reasons so many collectors are getting rid of their collection and prices are showing it,,, couple of years you had to take what they gave you, now,,, people have woken up and the economy is tanking,,, people are looking for alternatives and finding putters whose quality is as good and some times better than Camerons at 20% of the price and customized to their liking, not the maker.

[hokey]

Not for nothing, but I'm pretty sure you can not walk into a Ferrari dealer and demand a Scuderia in lime green.

 

I'm just sayin....

 

Ferrari doesn't have a custom shop that purports to "customise" your car according to your specifications.

 

We aren't talking about the local Golf Galaxy here, this is the Scotty Custom Shop.

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Although NOT a Ferrari, my buddy ordered this Audi S5 in the color he WANTED and the color WAS NOT OFFERED. In fact, it is the ONLY ONE like it on the WORLD!

 

 

If you have the cash you can get that Ferrari in another color, I would bet.

 

If not, send it out to get it PAINTED the COLOR YOU WANT.

 

I have a SC David Duval putter that I want oil canned in the near future, it will go to BOS, because I know the clown custom shop will not do that!

is that a Kawasaki?

 

 

Beuro said NO NAME CALLING! :black eye:

[RobotDoctor]

Cameron has the final choice in what he does and that includes refinish. If people are good with that then send your putter to the studio for refinish. First, you will over pay for what you get and second, you will lose some control. If you really want your choice, send your putter to another source. BOS, PutterPlating, Tom Slighter, just to name a few. These companies will honor what the OWNER of the putter wishes and perform the work the OWNER wants. I understand about alterations and such but we are only talking about paint here. From what I see, Cameron is only concerned about what he wants and it seems apparent to me that he really does not care what the average customer wants. Yes, he cares what the big time collector wants so that he can support his high dollar revenue stream but the average Joe, nope. This is precisely why I have turned my attention to David Mills and Byron Morgan. Believe me, these men care about ALL their customers, not just the ones with very deep pockets.

[oregongolf]

Cameron has the final choice in what he does and that includes refinish. If people are good with that then send your putter to the studio for refinish. First, you will over pay for what you get and second, you will lose some control. If you really want your choice, send your putter to another source. BOS, PutterPlating, Tom Slighter, just to name a few. These companies will honor what the OWNER of the putter wishes and perform the work the OWNER wants. I understand about alterations and such but we are only talking about paint here. From what I see, Cameron is only concerned about what he wants and it seems apparent to me that he really does not care what the average customer wants. Yes, he cares what the big time collector wants so that he can support his high dollar revenue stream but the average Joe, nope. This is precisely why I have turned my attention to David Mills and Byron Morgan. Believe me, these men care about ALL their customers, not just the ones with very deep pockets.

 

Well said.

 

You know, it might be easier to stomach if he tossed in one of those $70 pictures of himself. Throw someone a bone man.

[tangojay]

Cameron has the final choice in what he does and that includes refinish. If people are good with that then send your putter to the studio for refinish. First, you will over pay for what you get and second, you will lose some control. If you really want your choice, send your putter to another source. BOS, PutterPlating, Tom Slighter, just to name a few. These companies will honor what the OWNER of the putter wishes and perform the work the OWNER wants. I understand about alterations and such but we are only talking about paint here. From what I see, Cameron is only concerned about what he wants and it seems apparent to me that he really does not care what the average customer wants. Yes, he cares what the big time collector wants so that he can support his high dollar revenue stream but the average Joe, nope. This is precisely why I have turned my attention to David Mills and Byron Morgan. Believe me, these men care about ALL their customers, not just the ones with very deep pockets.

 

Well said.

 

You know, it might be easier to stomach if he tossed in one of those $70 pictures of himself. Throw someone a bone man.

 

Byron did not toss me a bone, just a spare cover after I asked him to autograph the original.....

[HoosierGolfer]

Like I said in a earlier post, it is what it is. It has always been well known that they will not do certain things. End of story. I have used the CS several times and have always been very well pleased with the results.

Just because they would not do what you wanted does not make you a victim of something. The thrashing of the putters, the maker and the shop have all grown rather boring in my opinion. At some point in time you have to move on and get over it.

Many of the negative post in these types of threads come from people that have never dealt with the CS first hand. You just jump on the hater band wagon which does nothing positive for the board. If you want to be a advocate of something, try making it something positive for a change. All the negative replies are about as boring as the unwarranted mudslinging and childish name-calling.

Best thing you can do is just get over it.

[KevCarter]

... The thrashing of the putters, the maker and the shop have all grown rather boring in my opinion. At some point in time you have to move on and get over it.

...

 

CallawayOnly, you're fairly new, these posts have been boring for years! :lol:

 

KC

[tigercub]

Going in, you should know what limitations there are with their services and whether you are willing to accept them. If not, take your putter elsewhere. With respect to how the Custom Shop treats their customers, I suggest you guys read this:

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?sh...shop+experience

[HoosierGolfer]

So nobody cares about the Horrid orange color "Scotty" vomited onto my putter?

 

Oh, we care.....but Scotty don't!!!

Do you know this first hand or are you just stretching a little? Scotty is actually a very accessible person. He has address almost all of these issues at one time or another through the online chats he has had with the collectors through TCC or through questions passed on to him. He is also in attendance at several Cameron collectors functions each and every year and is open to talk with anyone there about any issue you may have.

Join the club, attend the convention and talk with him face to face. You will realize rather quickly that he cares a lot more than you have been lead to believe. He is also at many of the tour stops during the course of the year and always has time for a collector as long as he is not working with a player at that moment.

This is not a personal attack, but just information to let you know that he is out there, is accessible and cares more than most will ever admit. It is easier to cut him down than to try and reach out and ask him a question.

[HoosierGolfer]

... The thrashing of the putters, the maker and the shop have all grown rather boring in my opinion. At some point in time you have to move on and get over it.

...

 

CallawayOnly, you're fairly new, these posts have been boring for years! :lol:

 

KC

LOL...Kevin, I have been around long enough to know that the hate seems to have no end. You are right that it is boring and pointless as well.

[nickpoz]

Big surprise this thread turned out the way it did :(

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So nobody cares about the Horrid orange color "Scotty" vomited onto my putter?

 

My friend with green audi would LOVE it, becuase he wanted an orange interior, which they did not offer, but again, they would have made, if he was willing to wait an extra 14 months.

 

I am surprised that SC doesn't have an UPCHARGE for a non-standard color. Problem solved.

[MacMia]

I knew that this topic would really it get it moving- and could not resist the temptation given that it is 12 degrees outside and no golf in sight!

 

That said, it does surprise me that I could not get a paint fill change- which I could do myself with my $2.14 transulcent red paint that Deerslayer put me on to. The sole and exclusive reason I sent it to Scotty was not thinking I could get anything I want (although I thought changing regular red to translucent was not a massive stretch), but to ensure the sanctity of the COA...

[nickpoz]

Mac,

Can you posts pictures of your putter? The reason I ask and was mentioned before on normal stamps you cant even tell its translucent. The only place you can really tell is on the new Select models with the big dots.

[RobotDoctor]

So nobody cares about the Horrid orange color "Scotty" vomited onto my putter?

 

Oh, we care.....but Scotty don't!!!

Do you know this first hand or are you just stretching a little? Scotty is actually a very accessible person. He has address almost all of these issues at one time or another through the online chats he has had with the collectors through TCC or through questions passed on to him. He is also in attendance at several Cameron collectors functions each and every year and is open to talk with anyone there about any issue you may have.

Join the club, attend the convention and talk with him face to face. You will realize rather quickly that he cares a lot more than you have been lead to believe. He is also at many of the tour stops during the course of the year and always has time for a collector as long as he is not working with a player at that moment.

This is not a personal attack, but just information to let you know that he is out there, is accessible and cares more than most will ever admit. It is easier to cut him down than to try and reach out and ask him a question.

 

If Cameron chooses not to paint fill a putter to a customer's request, he/the Studio should contact the customer and let them know there is a problem. Is this done? Was this done in this case. It sounds like a no for the latter situation and probably the former situation as well. Then the TCC online chat issue comes into play here. Cameron and the site only wants to project what they want to the internet world. The reality is that they are projecting an image in that Cameron putters are the absolute best and command the highest value. I say bunk. Show me where a CNC milled Byron Morgan is inferior to a Cameron. I say that it is every bit as good, or better. At least the balance of the putter is dead center. Can't say that about all Cameron putters, now can we? TCC is a site where all that is tolerated is a Rah Rah comment. Any comment that does not tow the Rah Rah line will get you a warning. Any comment that is critical will probably get you banned. I should know because I was banned last night and couldn't be happier. Now I can post what I have come to know is true, what I suspect is true, add true criticisms without the fear of a TCC moderator reading what I post here and banning me. Yes, I will be complementary to Cameron and his work when it is warranted as he is a terrific putter designer. However, I do not have to gag the Kool-Aid in order to be a member of TCC.

[KevCarter]

If Cameron chooses not to paint fill a putter to a customer's request, he/the Studio should contact the customer and let them know there is a problem. Is this done? Was this done in this case. It sounds like a no for the latter situation and probably the former situation as well. Then the TCC online chat issue comes into play here. Cameron and the site only wants to project what they want to the internet world. The reality is that they are projecting an image in that Cameron putters are the absolute best and command the highest value. I say bunk. Show me where a CNC milled Byron Morgan is inferior to a Cameron. I say that it is every bit as good, or better. At least the balance of the putter is dead center. Can't say that about all Cameron putters, now can we? TCC is a site where all that is tolerated is a Rah Rah comment. Any comment that does not tow the Rah Rah line will get you a warning. Any comment that is critical will probably get you banned. I should know because I was banned last night and couldn't be happier. Now I can post what I have come to know is true, what I suspect is true, add true criticisms without the fear of a TCC moderator reading what I post here and banning me. Yes, I will be complementary to Cameron and his work when it is warranted as he is a terrific putter designer. However, I do not have to gag the Kool-Aid in order to be a member of TCC.

 

Wow, you typed this while you're happy? I would hate to see you when you're pissed! :lol:

 

Kevin

[RobotDoctor]

If Cameron chooses not to paint fill a putter to a customer's request, he/the Studio should contact the customer and let them know there is a problem. Is this done? Was this done in this case. It sounds like a no for the latter situation and probably the former situation as well. Then the TCC online chat issue comes into play here. Cameron and the site only wants to project what they want to the internet world. The reality is that they are projecting an image in that Cameron putters are the absolute best and command the highest value. I say bunk. Show me where a CNC milled Byron Morgan is inferior to a Cameron. I say that it is every bit as good, or better. At least the balance of the putter is dead center. Can't say that about all Cameron putters, now can we? TCC is a site where all that is tolerated is a Rah Rah comment. Any comment that does not tow the Rah Rah line will get you a warning. Any comment that is critical will probably get you banned. I should know because I was banned last night and couldn't be happier. Now I can post what I have come to know is true, what I suspect is true, add true criticisms without the fear of a TCC moderator reading what I post here and banning me. Yes, I will be complementary to Cameron and his work when it is warranted as he is a terrific putter designer. However, I do not have to gag the Kool-Aid in order to be a member of TCC.

 

Wow, you typed this while you're happy? I would hate to see you when you're pissed! :lol:

 

Kevin

 

Kevin,

 

I am not really mad about the situation, more like relieved. I hold no ill will to any member, moderator, or the administrator at TCC. They have their beliefs as do I. However, I do know some things that some people would not want to admit to so we will leave it at that. As I said, Cameron makes generally a terrific putter. The problem I see with any site is when unbiased, critical thinking is not welcomed. Great unbiased debate is found here at GolfWRX and is supported as long as it remains civil. Great unbiased debate is found at PutterTalk and is supported as long as it remains civil. Great unbiased debate is not found at TCC and a wrong comment or PM will get members banned, like what happened to me. There is no tolerance there as Cameron dictates that. I know what is said by the administrator to the general board and I have heard behind the scene stories from more than one source. That said, I hope TCC fills the need for all the members and visitors pertaining to the world of Cameron putters. For those looking for a contrasting view, there are other sites, including this one.

 

Getting back to finishing, I even posted pictures of a Byron Morgan Designed by Captain Morgan in Mystic Pearl (Black Pearl) to show people this finish IS available. Cameron has chosen to retain this finish and not offer it to the general masses. If I were to buy a Garage putter at Table Rock for $8K then I could get that finish. The problem I have is that if a putter has been originally finished in Black Pearl then it should be offered with the notation that a certain number of putter heads must be accounted for before they are sent for plating. Anyway, my post was edited out because the Morgan DBCM is not a Cameron putter. That was not the point. I sent the moderator who took the pictures out of the post a PM that was not harsh at all, critical but not harsh. I then made a post in the "Prototype for the next Inspired by Putter ... anyone seen it yet?" thread ( http://www.cameroncollector.com/forum/inde...81.new.html#new ) where I posted "I would love to see and Inspired by T.P Mills putter. That would be spot on!". That post probably did it but where is the harm? Maybe I should have been reminded about the site and posting, but banned?

 

That said, what started my TCC episode was about putter refinishing and what Cameron does to limit options for the people that own his putters. I understand his wanting control to a large degree but the OP's original color choice has been done (or very similar) in the past so what is the problem?

[MacMia]

Mac,

Can you posts pictures of your putter? The reason I ask and was mentioned before on normal stamps you cant even tell its translucent. The only place you can really tell is on the new Select models with the big dots.

 

 

I didn't snap any pics but here is the COA: a007047 .

 

I thought that the red would look cool in the Circle T, the dog, etc..

[mattl2787]

Isn't the restoration the real reason you sent your putter in??? It's only paintfill for goodness sakes (which you can easily do yourself)...plus the translucent paint wouldn't even look good on your putter. Because you don't have the huge dots like the Studio Selects, the paintfill would look very washed out & dull. Regular paint will look much better...

[nickpoz]

Mac,

Can you posts pictures of your putter? The reason I ask and was mentioned before on normal stamps you cant even tell its translucent. The only place you can really tell is on the new Select models with the big dots.

 

 

I didn't snap any pics but here is the COA: a007047 .

 

I thought that the red would look cool in the Circle T, the dog, etc..

It would look good but to be honest with an area that small you couldnt tell if it were translucent or not. Ill post pics of my Select later that I had redone with blue translucent. On the lettering and such you cant tell its translucent.

[BEND OF THE RIVER GC]

Mac,

Can you posts pictures of your putter? The reason I ask and was mentioned before on normal stamps you cant even tell its translucent. The only place you can really tell is on the new Select models with the big dots.

 

 

I didn't snap any pics but here is the COA: a007047 .

 

I thought that the red would look cool in the Circle T, the dog, etc..

It would look good but to be honest with an area that small you couldnt tell if it were translucent or not. Ill post pics of my Select later that I had redone with blue translucent. On the lettering and such you cant tell its translucent.

 

Cant wait to see the translucent blue, maybe I will do that to my Studio Select as well!

[nickpoz]

here you go

[nickpoz]

If Cameron chooses not to paint fill a putter to a customer's request, he/the Studio should contact the customer and let them know there is a problem. Is this done? Was this done in this case. It sounds like a no for the latter situation and probably the former situation as well. Then the TCC online chat issue comes into play here. Cameron and the site only wants to project what they want to the internet world. The reality is that they are projecting an image in that Cameron putters are the absolute best and command the highest value. I say bunk. Show me where a CNC milled Byron Morgan is inferior to a Cameron. I say that it is every bit as good, or better. At least the balance of the putter is dead center. Can't say that about all Cameron putters, now can we? TCC is a site where all that is tolerated is a Rah Rah comment. Any comment that does not tow the Rah Rah line will get you a warning. Any comment that is critical will probably get you banned. I should know because I was banned last night and couldn't be happier. Now I can post what I have come to know is true, what I suspect is true, add true criticisms without the fear of a TCC moderator reading what I post here and banning me. Yes, I will be complementary to Cameron and his work when it is warranted as he is a terrific putter designer. However, I do not have to gag the Kool-Aid in order to be a member of TCC.

 

Wow, you typed this while you're happy? I would hate to see you when you're pissed! :lol:

 

Kevin

 

Kevin,

 

I am not really mad about the situation, more like relieved. I hold no ill will to any member, moderator, or the administrator at TCC. They have their beliefs as do I. However, I do know some things that some people would not want to admit to so we will leave it at that. As I said, Cameron makes generally a terrific putter. The problem I see with any site is when unbiased, critical thinking is not welcomed. Great unbiased debate is found here at GolfWRX and is supported as long as it remains civil. Great unbiased debate is found at PutterTalk and is supported as long as it remains civil. Great unbiased debate is not found at TCC and a wrong comment or PM will get members banned, like what happened to me. There is no tolerance there as Cameron dictates that. I know what is said by the administrator to the general board and I have heard behind the scene stories from more than one source. That said, I hope TCC fills the need for all the members and visitors pertaining to the world of Cameron putters. For those looking for a contrasting view, there are other sites, including this one.

 

Getting back to finishing, I even posted pictures of a Byron Morgan Designed by Captain Morgan in Mystic Pearl (Black Pearl) to show people this finish IS available. Cameron has chosen to retain this finish and not offer it to the general masses. If I were to buy a Garage putter at Table Rock for $8K then I could get that finish. The problem I have is that if a putter has been originally finished in Black Pearl then it should be offered with the notation that a certain number of putter heads must be accounted for before they are sent for plating. Anyway, my post was edited out because the Morgan DBCM is not a Cameron putter. That was not the point. I sent the moderator who took the pictures out of the post a PM that was not harsh at all, critical but not harsh. I then made a post in the "Prototype for the next Inspired by Putter ... anyone seen it yet?" thread ( http://www.cameroncollector.com/forum/inde...81.new.html#new ) where I posted "I would love to see and Inspired by T.P Mills putter. That would be spot on!". That post probably did it but where is the harm? Maybe I should have been reminded about the site and posting, but banned?

 

That said, what started my TCC episode was about putter refinishing and what Cameron does to limit options for the people that own his putters. I understand his wanting control to a large degree but the OP's original color choice has been done (or very similar) in the past so what is the problem?

I almost hate to ask this but what does any of that have to do with the original posters ?

[HoosierGolfer]

Looks like it is time for another thread lock. This debate was fun for awhile, but the airing of ones dirty laundry is a little over the top.

My apologies to the original poster that this one could not have continued on without this. Happens all to often.

 

PS; nick.....Nice Putter!

[HeadonaStick]

Not for nothing, but I'm pretty sure you can not walk into a Ferrari dealer and demand a Scuderia in lime green.

 

I'm just sayin....

Actually, you can. Be prepared to pay an outragous fee for the service and wait until who knows when - that part is at least the same as the custom shop - but they will do it.

 

And Porsche prides itself on matching customer requests for color, even matching a shade of lipstick for a customer.

 

Since it is "well known" what Scotty will and won't do, where can I find a list of prohibited colors and color combos?

[rrkman]

It is almost like this site and tcc are the exact same but opposites....there it is hard to find a thread with a negative cameron post and here it is hard to find a cameron thread without a negative post.

 

But, about this....this has always confused me a little, if the customer wants black paint on a black putter, so what. They're the customer so try to give them what they ask for. Now, that being said......this is a relatively well-known problem/fact so most people should be aware of this problem...doesn't make me happy but I like some of his putters so I'll still buy/use them....as well as numerous other putter makers.

[oregongolf]

It is almost like this site and tcc are the exact same but opposites....there it is hard to find a thread with a negative cameron post and here it is hard to find a cameron thread without a negative post.

 

But, about this....this has always confused me a little, if the customer wants black paint on a black putter, so what. They're the customer so try to give them what they ask for. Now, that being said......this is a relatively well-known problem/fact so most people should be aware of this problem...doesn't make me happy but I like some of his putters so I'll still buy/use them....as well as numerous other putter makers.

 

I dunno about that...

 

People are allowed to have and voice their own opinions here, without fear of repercussions or censorship. There's only a few topics here that are off limits, as they always end up in lockdown.

 

There's lots of Cameron threads that are positive, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a differing opinion. Granted I haven't looked at it for awhile, but the Cameron Kombi thread is a good example. Some people like it, some people said they'd pass or reserve judgment until they see it in hand. Not really anything negative in a difference of opinion...

 

That's not to say that a select few (no names...but rhymes with lick :tongue:) don't often find a way to ruin it for others... but that's the nature of the beast when talking about a lightning rod on a forum this big.