Getting golf clubs MOI'd? worth it?

[johnnybogey]

Hello,

 

I had my fitting last week and the fitter recommended getting the shafts PURED and MOI'd. I've done some reasearch on this MOI process and found this:

 

"MOI matching is accomplished much differently that swing weight matching. The object of matching sets of golf clubs is to provide a method to make them feel the same during the swing. Swing Weight Matching does not make each club identical with respect to the physical effort required to actually swing the golf club. MOI Matching yields golf clubs which require the same precise physical effort to swing. Determining the correct MOI for an individual golfer makes it possible to build an entire set of golf clubs that require the most natural physical effort to swing from club to club."

 

So my question, is it worth it?

 

The fitter would charge me $70.00 per club which includes (KBS Tour 90 shafts, PURED, MOI'd). The $70.00 per club is a discount price since I would be buying the irons from him. If I didn't buy the irons from him, the cost would be $125.00 per club (KBS Tour 90, PURED, MOI'd).

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Jimbo999]

If MOI'ing is part of the price then you may as well go for it, if it works like the description you provided it's worth it. I have no personal experience with it though. How much of the 70 bucks is for the MOI'ing?

[muddawg1]

I do have personal experience with whole club MOI & I can assure you that it is head & shoulders above swing weight. It truly does allow you to be more consistent with your swing. My ball flight is so predictable & my distances are much more consistent. Ask him if he will refund your money if you do not like it & return them to swing weight. I am confident that it will be something you will love though. It is the only thing new in golf clubs that has come about in the last 10 years. It is based on real scientific evidence as opposed to swing weight which was a good idea but never truly tested for accuracy. The big problem with swing weight is that it can be fooled by moving weight around in or on the club. You can get the same swing weight in two clubs but have a 60 gram total weight difference between them. Do you think those two clubs are going to swing the same?

[johnnybogey]

[quote name='Jimbo999' post='1926802' date='Sep 1 2009, 11:03 AM']If MOI'ing is part of the price then you may as well go for it, if it works like the description you provided it's worth it. I have no personal experience with it though. How much of the 70 bucks is for the MOI'ing?[/quote]

Not sure how much the MOI costs separately. He said that the KBS Tour 90 shafts were about $40.00 each. So the PUREd and MOI would be $15.00 for each service. Again, this is assuming that I buy the irons from him. 8 iron set would cost me $600. However, Discount Dan has them for $529.00. Again, if I buy the clubs elsewhere, the cost for the shafts, PUREd and MOI would be $125.00.

On the fence here. Part of me is just like, "do it" and never ever buy another iron set again. Come on, let's be real. LOL.

[johnnybogey]

Just realized that I posted this in the equipment forum. Probably should be in [b]"The "WRX" Shop - Grips/Shafts/Builds/LM Data"[/b] forum.

MODS, can you relocate if this is in fact the wrong forum? Thanks.

[muddawg1]

So you would only be paying $71 more for custom fit clubs & you are still thinking about it! MOI is the best thing you can do for the consistency of your golf swing. Nothing out there including lessons will help your game more than having a set of clubs built for you & the way you swing a golf club.

[johnnybogey]

[quote name='muddawg1' post='1926858' date='Sep 1 2009, 11:28 AM']So you would only be paying $71 more for custom fit clubs & you are still thinking about it! MOI is the best thing you can do for the consistency of your golf swing. Nothing out there including lessons will help your game more than having a set of clubs built for you & the way you swing a golf club.[/quote]


OKOK. I am just being a cheapo and hate paying retail. As mentioned above I could get the iron set for $70 cheaper and the KBS Tour 90 shafts for $30.00 each ($10.00 cheaper). Would just have to find a clubmaker that will do the reshaft and PUREd and MOI.

If I went with the fitter, it would be about $1,000. Set includes:

Ping G10 (4,5,6)
Ping I10 (7,8,9,PW,UW)
KBS Tour 90 stiff flex shafts
PUREd
MOI


Kinda off topic, I am on the fence with the 6 iron. Not sure if I should go G10 or I10. With my Raptures, I am very confident hitting the 7 iron (140 yards, new set with increase distance since I was ballooning everything with the Raptures). Once I get to the 6 iron, I start to lose confidence. I know, kinda sad given that the Raptures are like the most forgiving irons out there. What do you guys think?

[Timmay_MO]

Why would you get a G10 over the Raptures?

[muddawg1]

Just let us know what you end up doing. PM me if you have any more questions about fitting or assembled club MOI!

[johnnybogey]

[quote name='El Presidente' post='1926939' date='Sep 1 2009, 12:07 PM']Why would you get a G10 over the Raptures?[/quote]

Good point. I am currently hitting my raptures really high (high launch head + high launch shaft + wrong flex).

I thought about keeping the Rapture 4,5,6 but then it would be difficult to sell the remaining irons. I guess I could simply reshaft the Rapture 4,5,6 with KBS Tour 90 with PUREd and MOI.

[golfbum9]

I used to be Big on swingweights... am with the Driver still

But with the irons, I just got tired of "working" for the longer irons
(at time mids too) later on in the round.

I had one of my Favorite set irons MOI'd and not looking back...
Couldn't be happier!

EVERY iron swings the same. It's Nice to have the 3i swing exactly
like my 7iron and on thru the set


ymmv of course but I'm a fan

[Jimbo999]

This MOI'ing sounds rather good! I think I'll be having it done on my next set.

[Fanatic]

MOI and PURE is definitely the way to go. I finally bit the bullet and had it done on a new set of clubs. I had been waiting since spring (more like saving up) and it's the best feeling/performing set of irons i have ever hit. It really makes a difference and gives me so much more confidence when stepping up to the ball. Everything feels so consistent and like others have said, the EXACT SAME! I LOVE THAT!

[DNice26]

Had my clubs MOI'd....... Actually can't stand it. You will hit your "short" irons a mile and your four iron will feel short. I actually had my "short" irons cut back down.

[DNice26]

Ask if you can have your set "MOI'd" without messing with the length of each club. Also, make sure you really test out those KBS tour shafts. I have them and they tend to balloon the ball. If you are already hitting the ball high, you may not like them.

[Fanatic]

[quote name='DNice26' post='1928133' date='Sep 1 2009, 09:08 PM']Had my clubs MOI'd....... Actually can't stand it. You will hit your "short" irons a mile and your four iron will feel short. I actually had my "short" irons cut back down.[/quote]

That's interesting. While I do hit my short irons further than I used to, I also hit my longer irons much better and further than before. It really has been the best set i've ever played.

[dberry90210]

I must admit, I'm not well versed in this technology. Few questions...do pro's have their clubs done? what exactly do they do to change the club? can you have it done to an existing set w/o buying new shafts? where can you get this done? is it just me or do you feel pretty odd saying "moi'd"??? Thanks

[johnnybogey]

Thanks for the tips guys. After much consideration, I may hold off on getting the irons PUREd and MOI'd due to lack of funds. For now, I think I may just get the Ping G10/I10 set and play with the AWT steel shafts.

I'll first see how the AWT steel shafts work out before deciding to reshaft and get the PUREd and MOI services.

Thanks all for the tips.

[Fanatic]

just curious, what's the point of going with G10s? They are virtually identical to your raptures. If you are sticking with the same shafts, what's the point? Am I missing something here? You are essentially downgrading your clubs man.

[johnnybogey]

[quote name='Fanatic' post='1928520' date='Sep 1 2009, 11:24 PM']just curious, what's the point of going with G10s? They are virtually identical to your raptures. If you are sticking with the same shafts, what's the point? Am I missing something here? You are essentially downgrading your clubs man. [/quote]

Here's the thing. When I bought the rapture blue dot irons, I bought them with the CS Lite shafts in regular flex. Since switching to a 1 plane swing, I need black dot irons with a stiff flex shaft.

IMO, Ping got it wrong by matching up the Raptures (high launch head) with the CS Lites (high launching shaft).

At this point, if I keep the 4,5,6 Raptures, I would still need to get them reshafted and have the lies bent back to standard. Plus, it would be difficult to sell the Rapture set consisting of just the 7,8,9,PW,UW irons.

So I figure the next best thing would be the Ping G10/I10 given that the prices have come down with the release of the G/I 15 lines.

[DNice26]

Great idea Johnny.......take your time deciding......trust me.....you will be glad you did.....

So when they MOI the clubs, they actually ask you to choose one of the mid irons (let's say the 5 iron) that you are most comfortable with in terms of length, swing weight etc.. from your current set. They then build the entire new set off of that spec. The clubs are also cut in 1/4" increments as opposed to 1/2" increments. (This is the part I didn't really like and was difficult for me to get used to.) This helps them balance the clubs easier (swing weight and overall effort to swing the club-as mentioned above). Also, because your clubs are all now closer in length, the idea is that you will have a more consistent stance and swing path.

Make sure you test out the EXACT club (5 iron, 6 iron...whatever) that you plan to purchase.
*** With the KBS shafts installed ***

Don't let Bill's tracman convince you either....go with your gut and feel.

P.S: I would suggest that you NOT MOI your wedges (SW, LW). Have the shafts PURED, but not MOI'd. You can do the GW if you want, but I would recommend not doing the SW or LW.

[Fanatic]

[quote name='johnnybogey' post='1928549' date='Sep 1 2009, 11:36 PM'][quote name='Fanatic' post='1928520' date='Sep 1 2009, 11:24 PM']just curious, what's the point of going with G10s? They are virtually identical to your raptures. If you are sticking with the same shafts, what's the point? Am I missing something here? You are essentially downgrading your clubs man. [/quote]

Here's the thing. When I bought the rapture blue dot irons, I bought them with the CS Lite shafts in regular flex. Since switching to a 1 plane swing, I need black dot irons with a stiff flex shaft.

IMO, Ping got it wrong by matching up the Raptures (high launch head) with the CS Lites (high launching shaft).

At this point, if I keep the 4,5,6 Raptures, I would still need to get them reshafted and have the lies bent back to standard. Plus, it would be difficult to sell the Rapture set consisting of just the 7,8,9,PW,UW irons.

So I figure the next best thing would be the Ping G10/I10 given that the prices have come down with the release of the G/I 15 lines.

[/quote]

I see, but raptures are designed for the beginner golfer who needs a lot of forgiveness and getting the ball up in the air. Were these the irons you were fit into?

[DNice26]

Sorry, one more thing I would suggest.....if you MOI your clubs, after they are built, make sure you hit each club off of a lie board and have the lie angles adjusted accordingly.... Because each club is cut only 1/4" shorter than the next (based off of a mid iron like your 5 iron), standard manufacturers lie angles would be too upright with the shorter clubs (think about it).

Ex: Standard set: 5 iron= 38" 6 iron= 37 1/2" 7 iron= 37" 8 iron= 36 1/2" 9 iron = 36" PW = 35 3/4"
MOI set: 5 iron= 38" 6 iron= 37 3/4" 7 iron= 37 1/2" 8 iron= 37 1/4" 9 iron = 37" PW = 36 3/4"

The 9 iron and PW are about 1" longer! The MOST IMPORTANT lie angles in your bag are with your WEDGES!!!!

I personally like my wedges to be a touch flat, this way I know the ball is less likely to ever go left....


I just want to point out that I'm in no way bashing this concept. Like I said, I have mine done and they are great, just needed some adjustments and some getting used to.....

[johnnybogey]

Awesome Dnice26. Thanks for the great information. Will keep these in mind.

Fanatic. When I first started 3 years ago, forgiveness was key for me. I thought to myself, I need it because when I get married, kids, I probably won't be able to play as much. The only fitting I got for the Raptures was I hit off a lie board. I went with regular flex because they say regular flex is easier to hit than stiff flex.

After playing with them for 3 years, the ball keeps ballooning. Accuracy doesn't even exist. That's why I decided to make the switch and go with a mixed set.

Yesterday, I went to my local Golfsmith and hit the I10's and I15's side by side. To be honest, I was making better contact with the I10's.

[Fanatic]

[quote name='DNice26' post='1928946' date='Sep 2 2009, 08:17 AM']Great idea Johnny.......take your time deciding......trust me.....you will be glad you did.....

So when they MOI the clubs, they actually ask you to choose one of the mid irons (let's say the 5 iron) that you are most comfortable with in terms of length, swing weight etc.. from your current set. They then build the entire new set off of that spec. The clubs are also cut in 1/4" increments as opposed to 1/2" increments. (This is the part I didn't really like and was difficult for me to get used to.) This helps them balance the clubs easier (swing weight and overall effort to swing the club-as mentioned above). Also, because your clubs are all now closer in length, the idea is that you will have a more consistent stance and swing path.

Make sure you test out the EXACT club (5 iron, 6 iron...whatever) that you plan to purchase.
*** With the KBS shafts installed ***

Don't let Bill's tracman convince you either....go with your gut and feel.

P.S: I would suggest that you NOT MOI your wedges (SW, LW). Have the shafts PURED, but not MOI'd. You can do the GW if you want, but I would recommend not doing the SW or LW.[/quote]

the trackman fitting was what sold me. the ability to hit outdoors with this technology was awesome. I got all the numbers that I needed and the club that I hit was the one, albeit a very expensive one. The clubs were built around the club that I hit and the set is simply a work of art. I have zero regrets. The only thing hurting is my wallet, but hey im a golf "FANATIC" and this is my only vice.

Aside from your shorter clubs going a mile (a "problem" most people would love to have), what else dont you like about MOI? I just cant see any downside to the process. If you can have every club feel the same, it would make you swing that much more consistent. What irons are you playing?

[golfbum9]

FWIW My set has a 37.5" 5iron with 1/2" increments.

I too have gained yardage thoughout with Very consistant distances!

I feel it's because of the overall balance of the irons than anything else.
They all swing the SAME... effortlessly (for me)

[Fanatic]

you can build it any way you want. I asked about this and it just comes down to how much weight you have to add/remove from the head. If you MOI build off a 5 iron, you would have to add a serious amount of weight to the shorter irons if you kept 1/2in gaps. I know it's possible as my friend who just got fitted had it done. However, he had each one of his heads weight sorted from factory (EPONS). Talk about 100% custom. that is going to be a wicked set.

[DNice26]

Maybe they should split the difference and cut the clubs in 1/3" increments. This way, it is closer to what we are all used to playing with but easier to MOI.

In my mind, a longer club is simply less controllable.

Yes, I said it.... "in my mind"......maybe that is all it is.....

Anyway, with the right club fitter/builder (who asks the right questions- about your goals- i.e- ideal ball flight-fade/draw, low/high), your clubs could be incredible with today's tec......

With regard to club head selection.....I say go for the players club (less forgiving).....it will make you focus more and provide you with the feedback you need when you make a crappy swing.

[muddawg1]

[quote name='DNice26' post='1928946' date='Sep 2 2009, 06:17 AM']Great idea Johnny.......take your time deciding......trust me.....you will be glad you did.....

So when they MOI the clubs, they actually ask you to choose one of the mid irons (let's say the 5 iron) that you are most comfortable with in terms of length, swing weight etc.. from your current set. They then build the entire new set off of that spec. The clubs are also cut in 1/4" increments as opposed to 1/2" increments. (This is the part I didn't really like and was difficult for me to get used to.) This helps them balance the clubs easier (swing weight and overall effort to swing the club-as mentioned above). Also, because your clubs are all now closer in length, the idea is that you will have a more consistent stance and swing path.

Make sure you test out the EXACT club (5 iron, 6 iron...whatever) that you plan to purchase.
*** With the KBS shafts installed ***

Don't let Bill's tracman convince you either....go with your gut and feel.

P.S: I would suggest that you NOT MOI your wedges (SW, LW). Have the shafts PURED, but not MOI'd. You can do the GW if you want, but I would recommend not doing the SW or LW.[/quote]


[quote name='DNice26' post='1928964' date='Sep 2 2009, 06:38 AM']Sorry, one more thing I would suggest.....if you MOI your clubs, after they are built, make sure you hit each club off of a lie board and have the lie angles adjusted accordingly.... Because each club is cut only 1/4" shorter than the next (based off of a mid iron like your 5 iron), standard manufacturers lie angles would be too upright with the shorter clubs (think about it).

Ex: Standard set: 5 iron= 38" 6 iron= 37 1/2" 7 iron= 37" 8 iron= 36 1/2" 9 iron = 36" PW = 35 3/4"
MOI set: 5 iron= 38" 6 iron= 37 3/4" 7 iron= 37 1/2" 8 iron= 37 1/4" 9 iron = 37" PW = 36 3/4"

The 9 iron and PW are about 1" longer! The MOST IMPORTANT lie angles in your bag are with your WEDGES!!!!

I personally like my wedges to be a touch flat, this way I know the ball is less likely to ever go left....


I just want to point out that I'm in no way bashing this concept. Like I said, I have mine done and they are great, just needed some adjustments and some getting used to.....[/quote]

They should have been cut in 3/8ths increments not 1/4. Ideally for MOI headweights would be in 8 gram increments with the 3/8ths length difference but since a ton of clubmakers & the big companies still use swing weight we have to deal with the 7 gram weight difference.

The wedges should be of their own MOI if you are using them for less than full shots.

Taking the favorite club approach is not ideal if you are building a new set of clubs. The MOI should be found when you hit your test club not off an old club.

Like I said if you have any questions ask them freely.

Some of what you are talking about sounds like TLT or true length technology? Is that why your clubs were trimmed that way & you are thinking it was because of the MOI. The 1/4 inch increments would make it very hard to get the short irons to the right MOI because the thing that changes MOI the most is length because it moves the weight further from the first hinge(the wrists) in the golf swing.

[CosmosMpower]

Interesting topic, sounds like something you can have done after the fact on any iron set. If it's just $15 a club that's really not too bad either.

If you're interested in selling the Raptures shoot me a PM.