Scratch Putters

[TM golf guy]

[quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.

[Shankapotimus]

[quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Will, I don't doubt that you might know more about the Scratch putter dealings than most but I [b]promise[/b] you I know more about the latest one than you do and the facts I know!!

[chickenpotpie]

[quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:43 PM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Is this why you sold your putters? Just curious....I don't really know any of the details here so I don't know who's in the right. Experience tells me it's somewhere in the middle.

I like Scratch products a lot, and this whole thing won't deter me from buying them in the future.

[TM golf guy]

[quote name='chickenpotpie' post='2028875' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:57 AM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:43 PM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Is this why you sold your putters? Just curious....I don't really know any of the details here so I don't know who's in the right. Experience tells me it's somewhere in the middle.

I like Scratch products a lot, and this whole thing won't deter me from buying them in the future.
[/quote]

I sold them because the mini didn't feel as good as my Byron or my Bettinardi, and it wasn't going to see any bag time. The flow neck didn't fit my stroke still. The split didn't really sway my decision at all. Not to mention the fact that my scholarship money has been screwed up this semester, and if it doesn't get worked out I will have to sell most of my putters to pay for school anyway.

[gandor]

[quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028883' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:01 AM']if it doesn't get worked out I will have to sell most of my putters to pay for school anyway. [/quote]

i hope it wont work out...so put that custom black bb8 dass fit face on bst now

[gandor]

[quote name='mattl2787' post='2028886' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:04 AM'][quote name='mitchleary' post='2028648' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:36 AM'][quote name='mattl2787' post='2028626' date='Oct 27 2009, 09:21 AM']I didn't think Gene's putters were all that special...[b][color="#ff0000"]some[/color][/b] of the finished products looked a little sloppy.[/quote]


I hope you are kidding about that.
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Well I hope you are kidding about saying that I was kidding...

Just my personal opinion about [color="#ff0000"][b]some[/b][/color] of the putters; here's an example of one that I thought was a little sloppy:
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never really like any of the designs of their putters but really like to own their irons and wedges.

[TM golf guy]

[quote name='gandor' post='2028906' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:16 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028883' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:01 AM']if it doesn't get worked out I will have to sell most of my putters to pay for school anyway. [/quote]

i hope it wont work out...so put that custom black bb8 dass fit face on bst now
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I'll sell my entire bag before that happens LOL. It should all work out anyway. They are just stalling as long as they can.

[hwwong]

[quote name='gandor' post='2028911' date='Oct 27 2009, 01:18 PM'][quote name='mattl2787' post='2028886' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:04 AM'][quote name='mitchleary' post='2028648' date='Oct 27 2009, 10:36 AM'][quote name='mattl2787' post='2028626' date='Oct 27 2009, 09:21 AM']I didn't think Gene's putters were all that special...[b][color="#ff0000"]some[/color][/b] of the finished products looked a little sloppy.[/quote]


I hope you are kidding about that.
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Well I hope you are kidding about saying that I was kidding...

Just my personal opinion about [color="#ff0000"][b]some[/b][/color] of the putters; here's an example of one that I thought was a little sloppy:
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never really like any of the designs of their putters but really like to own their irons and wedges.
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I too really love the designs on their wedges and irons (SB1s are DEAD SEXY). Maybe this is what Scratch needs - they have produced wonderful sticks in house, hopefully their putters will follow suite. If not..at least they know what they're good at.

[goinglow72]

[quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!

[TM golf guy]

[quote name='goinglow72' post='2028925' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:27 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!
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I assume the same could be said about those that only know Gene's side huh?

[goinglow72]

[quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028929' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:30 PM'][quote name='goinglow72' post='2028925' date='Oct 27 2009, 12:27 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!
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I assume the same could be said about those that only know Gene's side huh?
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From what I've seen, your the only one on here (besides Dan) that keeps stating you "know for a fact" what happened? Everyone's not stupid...the writings on the wall to where your info came from. There are several people here that personally know Gene and yet Gene's "fan base" doesn't even have to stand up for him. If you know Gene....you know the WHOLE truth hasn't been allowed to be let out!

[B-Man]

Seriously, if this is gonna go on for a while we'll see MTV bring back a revamped version of Celebrity Deathmatch in the form of Putter Wars! "Bababoowee Bababoowee! Haha! You call that a plumber's neck! CNC milling my butt! Show us yer weld!"

[rustyputterguy]

My step dad is a great, great guy. I would never ever want to be on the other side of a business dealing with him.
This was business between two parties. Sometimes things don't work out, but what I can't figure out is why so many people on the outside want to get so into it after the fact and point fingers.
Stop making it so personal, especially when you're not really involved.

[TimeToFly]

[quote name='goinglow72' post='2028925' date='Oct 27 2009, 01:27 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!
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i wish we could here both sides of the story. its probably pretty good. but, like the other posters said, we only get to hear bits and pieces. so until i hear both sides, i will not be passing judgement on either side. however, the Slighter/Scratch thing fell apart, and now the Nead/Scratch thing fell apart. Who knows what that really means? (Someone probably does, lol). Maybe its best Scratch keeps things in house from now on. Whatever happened, I still really like Neads putters and Scratch's irons :-)

[Redman]

[quote name='goinglow72' post='2028925' date='Oct 27 2009, 01:27 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!
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I have to say I agree with this. Everyone including me is getting one side of the story and the side they got it from is the side they are going to stand up for and defend. I, like another person posted, thought it was very weird that things went bad with Slighter and then with Gene. I also know first hand of someone else that was asked to partner with them and declined the opportunity because it didn't seem right. Obviously I am not going to say who that was out of respect for that person. All I know (one sided) is that the man wasn't getting paid for all his work and creativity and that is enough for me. Who on here would continue to put in all that time and effort if you continued not to get paid. Now if someone wants to get on here and provide another side, I am sure everyone would be very interested in listening.

[varsityhacker]

I don't know what happened at all nor will I speculate. I will say that in the business world it is not uncommon at all for companies to partner up only to split before a product or agreement is finalized happens all the time. So saying that Scratch is at fault for these 2 business deals not working out is short sighted IMOP. It could be a case where Scratch was not at fault in either business deal and the other parties decided to end the business relationship or more likely Scratch ended it with Slighter and then Gene ended it with Scratch. Bottom line is only a few people know the details and even fewer know the whole truth.

[Shankapotimus]

[quote name='Redman' post='2029184' date='Oct 27 2009, 02:40 PM'][quote name='goinglow72' post='2028925' date='Oct 27 2009, 01:27 PM'][quote name='TM golf guy 182' post='2028851' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:43 AM'][quote name='Shankapotimus' post='2028829' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:31 AM'][quote name='golferplus1' post='2028778' date='Oct 27 2009, 11:00 AM']Honestly am I the only one to put two and two together? Seems like I remember Scratch trying to partner with Slighter. Tom is a great guy and I have one of his putters, everything I have ever read is that he is a good guy. Things went badly with Tom.

Then we have the brew-ha between Gene and Scratch. From what I read on another site Gene (as of a couple of weeks ago) still had not been fully paid for the bill he sent to Scratch in August. Well he said she said and now there is no longer a partnership.

Everyone seems to think Scratch has to be in the right on both cases just because they are a sponsor, or the thread or posts are deleted. Two great guys have trouble with a single company and we are shielded from it? WTF? This is supposed to be an open discussion forum FOR THE MEMBERS", not an open discussion forum"AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T OFFEND OUR SPONSORS".[/quote]
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common denominator in both putter deals [b]SCRATCH!!![/b]
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I've tried to stay out of this, but I'm going to have to say something. I wouldn't speak unless you know the details. I won't share anything, because it isn't my place. But I will say that I do know more about the split than almost everyone on this site, and I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at either party without knowing the FACTS.
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Let me guess....You THINK you know all the facts because you've heard it from "one" side!!! Sit down and talk to Gene about what all went down and I assure you, you will be ditching more than those putters. Gene has tried to respectfully tell his side of the story and the thread IMMEDIATELY got locked up!
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I have to say I agree with this. Everyone including me is getting one side of the story and the side they got it from is the side they are going to stand up for and defend. I, like another person posted, thought it was very weird that things went bad with Slighter and then with Gene. I also know first hand of someone else that was asked to partner with them and declined the opportunity because it didn't seem right. Obviously I am not going to say who that was out of respect for that person. All I know (one sided) is that the man wasn't getting paid for all his work and creativity and that is enough for me. Who on here would continue to put in all that time and effort if you continued not to get paid. Now if someone wants to get on here and provide another side, I am sure everyone would be very interested in listening.
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[b]BINGO!!!!
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Ari, for all the people still waiting on their Scratch/Nead putters (current batch, that Gene agreed to finish), has Scratch paid Gene for those yet? If so then those customers should get them soon right? If not, then is this adding to the delay??

[FairwayFred]

I really do not feel that the internet is the appropriate place to talk about the inner workings of our business deals. That is why you have not seen more people posting about what they heard from us about the deal from Gene. We have not talked to customers or other people on the forums about the specifics. It is just not how I like to do business.

I do feel the need to comment on a few things based on the posts in this thread.
There was never a deal with Tom Slighter. We talked to him about working together and 2 prototypes were made but we never had a deal finalized. That is the nature of business when talking about a complicated deal like this. Sometimes it doesn't work out and a deal can't be made. We have also talked to a few others about making putters for us in the past. We never came to a deal with any of them it was just discussions, again the nature of business.

Gene obviously has a people that adamently support him and I think that is great. However what they are saying in this thread is not the truth. We were sent 2 bills from Gene and paid both of them within a week. The last one was from September 17th not August, and a check was sent out on September 22nd which is 4 business days later. Scratch Golf does not owe Gene any money. The only putters that were not paid for in that last bill were 2 putters for 2 employees and Gene specifically agreed to deal directly with employees that wanted putters on pricing and payment. Had we not agreed to handle these putters that way we would have paid for them. We did everything we were supposed to do in our deal. I do not want to get into the rest of it I don't think it is appropriate. We have moved on and are working on filling past orders and on our putters for 2010 as well as a few other very exciting things that WRX will hear about soon. We wish Gene the best of luck moving forward with his putter business and his Nascar team.

[Racer47]

[quote name='FairwayFred' post='2029307' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:22 PM']I really do not feel that the internet is the appropriate place to talk about the inner workings of our business deals. That is why you have not seen more people posting about what they heard from us about the deal from Gene. We have not talked to customers or other people on the forums about the specifics. It is just not how I like to do business.

I do feel the need to comment on a few things based on the posts in this thread.
There was never a deal with Tom Slighter. We talked to him about working together and 2 prototypes were made but we never had a deal finalized. That is the nature of business when talking about a complicated deal like this. Sometimes it doesn't work out and a deal can't be made. We have also talked to a few others about making putters for us in the past. We never came to a deal with any of them it was just discussions, again the nature of business.

Gene obviously has a people that adamently support him and I think that is great. However what they are saying in this thread is not the truth. We were sent 2 bills from Gene and paid both of them within a week. The last one was from September 17th not August, and a check was sent out on September 22nd which is 4 business days later. Scratch Golf does not owe Gene any money. The only putters that were not paid for in that last bill were 2 putters for 2 employees and Gene specifically agreed to deal directly with employees that wanted putters on pricing and payment. Had we not agreed to handle these putters that way we would have paid for them. We did everything we were supposed to do in our deal. I do not want to get into the rest of it I don't think it is appropriate. We have moved on and are working on filling past orders and on our putters for 2010 as well as a few other very exciting things that WRX will hear about soon. We wish Gene the best of luck moving forward with his putter business and his Nascar team.[/quote]

Ari,

It sounds as though you did everything correctly and the rest of the world is just screwed up.
Keep up the good work!

[Redman]

While I agree to an extent with what is said, I also believe that when the public (who you rely on to buy putters) is upset with how a business deal went down that could hurt sales numbers, it is the company's responsibility to clear the air and make things right.

[goinglow72]

[quote name='Racer47' post='2029373' date='Oct 27 2009, 03:43 PM'][quote name='FairwayFred' post='2029307' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:22 PM']I really do not feel that the internet is the appropriate place to talk about the inner workings of our business deals. That is why you have not seen more people posting about what they heard from us about the deal from Gene. We have not talked to customers or other people on the forums about the specifics. It is just not how I like to do business.

I do feel the need to comment on a few things based on the posts in this thread.
There was never a deal with Tom Slighter. We talked to him about working together and 2 prototypes were made but we never had a deal finalized. That is the nature of business when talking about a complicated deal like this. Sometimes it doesn't work out and a deal can't be made. We have also talked to a few others about making putters for us in the past. We never came to a deal with any of them it was just discussions, again the nature of business.

Gene obviously has a people that adamently support him and I think that is great. However what they are saying in this thread is not the truth. We were sent 2 bills from Gene and paid both of them within a week. The last one was from September 17th not August, and a check was sent out on September 22nd which is 4 business days later. Scratch Golf does not owe Gene any money. The only putters that were not paid for in that last bill were 2 putters for 2 employees and Gene specifically agreed to deal directly with employees that wanted putters on pricing and payment. Had we not agreed to handle these putters that way we would have paid for them. We did everything we were supposed to do in our deal. I do not want to get into the rest of it I don't think it is appropriate. We have moved on and are working on filling past orders and on our putters for 2010 as well as a few other very exciting things that WRX will hear about soon. We wish Gene the best of luck moving forward with his putter business and his Nascar team.[/quote]

Ari,

It sounds as though you did everything correctly and the rest of the world is just screwed up.
Keep up the good work!
[/quote]

[TimeToFly]

[quote name='Racer47' post='2029373' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:43 PM'][quote name='FairwayFred' post='2029307' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:22 PM']I really do not feel that the internet is the appropriate place to talk about the inner workings of our business deals. That is why you have not seen more people posting about what they heard from us about the deal from Gene. We have not talked to customers or other people on the forums about the specifics. It is just not how I like to do business.

I do feel the need to comment on a few things based on the posts in this thread.
There was never a deal with Tom Slighter. We talked to him about working together and 2 prototypes were made but we never had a deal finalized. That is the nature of business when talking about a complicated deal like this. Sometimes it doesn't work out and a deal can't be made. We have also talked to a few others about making putters for us in the past. We never came to a deal with any of them it was just discussions, again the nature of business.

Gene obviously has a people that adamently support him and I think that is great. However what they are saying in this thread is not the truth. We were sent 2 bills from Gene and paid both of them within a week. The last one was from September 17th not August, and a check was sent out on September 22nd which is 4 business days later. Scratch Golf does not owe Gene any money. The only putters that were not paid for in that last bill were 2 putters for 2 employees and Gene specifically agreed to deal directly with employees that wanted putters on pricing and payment. Had we not agreed to handle these putters that way we would have paid for them. We did everything we were supposed to do in our deal. I do not want to get into the rest of it I don't think it is appropriate. We have moved on and are working on filling past orders and on our putters for 2010 as well as a few other very exciting things that WRX will hear about soon. We wish Gene the best of luck moving forward with his putter business and his Nascar team.[/quote]

Ari,

It sounds as though you did everything correctly and the rest of the world is just screwed up.
Keep up the good work!
[/quote]


again, thats just [u]one[/u] side of the story. wish we could hear both sides, but i guess its not really anyones business except Genes and Scratch's. it is very interesting though!

[Racer47]

Just a little example of how people work at being honest see the post about the custom Scratch Damacus putter that in fact was designed by Gene Nead and is owned by Parmaster(aka Patrick Boyd Vp of sales for Scratch Golf).

[Redman]

[quote name='Racer47' post='2029465' date='Oct 27 2009, 05:16 PM']Just a little example of how people work at being honest see the post about the custom Scratch Damacus putter that in fact was designed by Gene Nead and is owned by Parmaster(aka Patrick Boyd Vp of sales for Scratch Golf).[/quote]

Huh?

[Redman]

[quote name='Racer47' post='2029373' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:43 PM'][quote name='FairwayFred' post='2029307' date='Oct 27 2009, 04:22 PM']I really do not feel that the internet is the appropriate place to talk about the inner workings of our business deals. That is why you have not seen more people posting about what they heard from us about the deal from Gene. We have not talked to customers or other people on the forums about the specifics. It is just not how I like to do business.

I do feel the need to comment on a few things based on the posts in this thread.
There was never a deal with Tom Slighter. We talked to him about working together and 2 prototypes were made but we never had a deal finalized. That is the nature of business when talking about a complicated deal like this. Sometimes it doesn't work out and a deal can't be made. We have also talked to a few others about making putters for us in the past. We never came to a deal with any of them it was just discussions, again the nature of business.

Gene obviously has a people that adamently support him and I think that is great. However what they are saying in this thread is not the truth. We were sent 2 bills from Gene and paid both of them within a week. The last one was from September 17th not August, and a check was sent out on September 22nd which is 4 business days later. Scratch Golf does not owe Gene any money. The only putters that were not paid for in that last bill were 2 putters for 2 employees and Gene specifically agreed to deal directly with employees that wanted putters on pricing and payment. Had we not agreed to handle these putters that way we would have paid for them. We did everything we were supposed to do in our deal. I do not want to get into the rest of it I don't think it is appropriate. We have moved on and are working on filling past orders and on our putters for 2010 as well as a few other very exciting things that WRX will hear about soon. We wish Gene the best of luck moving forward with his putter business and his Nascar team.[/quote]

Ari,

It sounds as though you did everything correctly and the rest of the world is just screwed up.
Keep up the good work!
[/quote]

Yep.....it is definitely that everyone that has been waiting on a putter for 3 months is all screwed up!

[Racer47]

Go to the Scratch custom Damascus thread and read it.

[goinglow72]

Alot of "SHADY" stuff seems to be surfacing......this thread should be locked up pretty tight soon.

[Golfingbanker]

For those of you that would like to know the ALL of the facts behind the story, please give us a paragraph or two about the deals and relationships that you have going at work or at home. I for one would like to know what you talked about on the phone and what some of your emails said. Oh and also make sure that the other party you are dealing with gives us details too. I really don't care if it is any of my business.

Wait, let's get back to reality-Please just mind your own business and go play some golf!

[robbie91]

i hope this thread stays open -- as members we not only a consumer but also (hopefully) one of the most valued customers scratch has -- being someone in the market for a new putter i want to know the whole story -- honestly ive had nothing but positive conversations with people from scratch -- but before i go buying something i want to know the whole story behiend their business dealings

[Zach Heusser]

Hopefully the new putter line for 2010 looks better. The current putters looked pretty poor to me. Good luck with future putters.