False scores reported in NCAA tourney.

[SOONERMAGIC]

Notre Dame player.. errrrrrr

Pretty sad, still cant believe she didnt think this was that big of a deal, or that it would affect her team score. Duh?

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Notre-Dame-golfer-s-fake-scores-in-tournament-ba?urn=golf,240027

[TM golf guy]

What an idiot. Only someone at Notre Dame would do that.

[oregongolf]

What did she think was going to happen?

This is funny... absolutely moronic, but still incredibly funny someone would even think (or not think) to do that.

[Pepperturbo]

I find it hard to believe she didn't sense impact of her actions; including playoffs. She makes it sound like it's a boo boo... Consequences should be serious, however I don't think they will be.

[golf_junkie27]

On another blog someone wrote she is destined to become a "Brophy Wife."

Sweet how she gave herself a 30 on the front. I mean, if you're going to cheat, might as well go all out.

Pretty embarrassing for her and the University.

[italian71]

Way to mess with the NCAA. I love it!! She doesn't look to bad either and she's won a few tournaments....

[markheardjr]

I just don't get it. Why? What was the real impact? Why the DQ? Is it in the rules of golf anywhere that mid-round reporting must be legit? Where were her playing partners during all this? Did they not see or hear from anyone about how their playing partner that was really like 8 overpar was supposedly -5 through 6 holes? Women's college golf? Really?

[Tighthead]

[quote name='golf_junkie27' date='11 May 2010 - 10:19 AM' timestamp='1273598363' post='2434869']
On another blog someone wrote she is destined to become a "Brophy Wife."

Sweet how she gave herself a 30 on the front. I mean, if you're going to cheat, might as well go all out.

Pretty embarrassing for her and the University.
[/quote]

I don't know that this constitutes cheating.

[Jimmy Mac]

[quote name='markheardjr' date='11 May 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1273601244' post='2434980']
I just don't get it. Why? What was the real impact? Why the DQ? Is it in the rules of golf anywhere that mid-round reporting must be legit? Where were her playing partners during all this? Did they not see or hear from anyone about how their playing partner that was really like 8 overpar was supposedly -5 through 6 holes? Women's college golf? Really?
[/quote]

According to the article she was DQ'd by the NCAA for unsportsmanlike conduct, not for any violation of the rules of golf. For every sport they oversee, the NCAA has a much wider authority than any on-field rules set. Conduct is something they have the authority to act on. It's not so different than the NFL Commish being able to suspend players for whatever he wants.

[cwglum]

If a company is posting scores, they ought to have someone out there verifying the information before entering data. Shouldn't come down to asking the players individually.

I followed some matches in our State Am event a few years back and that's exactly what happened, 2 people followed each group ... 1 keeping track of players scores and another to radio the scores into the tournament desk for web updates.

[Jimmy Mac]

[quote name='cwglum' date='11 May 2010 - 02:24 PM' timestamp='1273602262' post='2435013']
If a company is posting scores, they ought to have someone out there verifying the information before entering data. Shouldn't come down to asking the players individually.

I followed some matches in our State Am event a few years back and that's exactly what happened, 2 people followed each group ... 1 keeping track of players scores and another to radio the scores into the tournament desk for web updates.
[/quote]

My guess would be that they just don't have the personnel for this. I wouldn't be surprised if the conditions of competition (local rule or whatever) for the event required players honestly report their scores at certain point during their round - maybe to an observer posted at every other tee box or something). I would actually be surprised if that's not a general rule for all tourneys throughout the year.

[swbyps]

This is a case of extremely poor judgment. Maybe its not cheating per say, but she has got to know better. Shes a senior and has probably played in 100 tournaments in her golf career. This was an NCAA regional...a pretty big event. She cant be out there trying to play jokes. Anyone who is even mildly involved in golf knows that when you're playing for real there are two things that you dont do...You dont improve your lie and you dont jack around with scores...period.

[daughterscameron]

Did she at least tell them she had a putt for a 29?????

[chris9594]

Did she at least tell them she had a putt for a 29?????

 

lol

[Rohlio]

I thought Michelle Wie was enrolled at Stanford not Notre Dame...

Bazinga.

[DaBouge]

To steal a line from Carlos Mencia..

 

DIGGDITTYYY

[grizzlyblades]

she started posting boogies and double boogies at the turn? LMFAO

DURRRRRR

[TMfan54]

i dont get it. so she was telling people she shot 30 on the front? or she was marking down on her card? i joke around with my teammates if i see them on the course and tell them im 12 under thru 6 or whatever, but i do not tell that to anyone else like at the scorer's table or anything and the card i keep is correct. who was she reporting the scores to?

[Jimmy Mac]

[quote name='TMTPFan54 ' date='11 May 2010 - 03:52 PM' timestamp='1273607554' post='2435199']
i dont get it. so she was telling people she shot 30 on the front? or she was marking down on her card? i joke around with my teammates if i see them on the course and tell them im 12 under thru 6 or whatever, but i do not tell that to anyone else like at the scorer's table or anything and the card i keep is correct. who was she reporting the scores to?
[/quote]

My understanding from reading the article is that they have official observers around the course who check with player to get their current scores. I would assume this is relayed back to a central point and then it's displayed on a leader board which all of the teams can view. When players and coaches saw that this player was pulling away from the field, they may have changed their strategy - gone for more risky shots, etc. Just like you see players adjust their strategy on the PGA tour depending on the lead or deficit they have relative to competitors - which they glean from the leaderboards.

She apparently was keeping a correct score on her card while giving false numbers to the observers. The biggest difference between her case and yours is that you told your team mates a false score - she told one to an official. That's a very big difference.

By giving false information that would cause a strategic error by her opponents, she was acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. It may have been within the rules of golf, but it wasn't sportsmanlike. The NCAA has the authority to DQ a player for that infraction.

This event may have had different rules for reporting since it was a regional, or perhaps just because the facility had the option of keeping a running leader board.

[gpo]

If the NCAA can't pay for people or get volunteers to track the scores legit without having to ask the players then they should not report the scores. That is BS. What do you think would happen if someone guy had to ask Tiger after every hole what he got. I somehow don't think Tiger would want to talk to the scorer. I personally would not talk to anyone about my score other than the person keeping my score. That is total BS.

I would also argue that all players should not know the scores of the teams or indivduals during the round. No one should be relaying this info to anyone.

Think about it. If one team brings some extra help and relays scores to players during the round then that is an unfair advantage as well. Does every team have the same amount of people on the course including parents/fans.

I remember playing in HS. You played and then you came in and figured out who won. Either do it that way or have a full fledge scoring system that doesn't intrude on the player whatsoever.

Some people don't like to talk to people during a round and they should not have to unless it is their playing partner.

[Tmiller72]

She's pretty hot, I'll give her a 1 time pass.

[rblmp32]

[quote name='Tmiller72' date='11 May 2010 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1273611593' post='2435366']
She's pretty hot, I'll give her a 1 time pass.
[/quote]

lmao... I checked that myself. I doubt we're the only ones either...haha.

[AP2 712]

That's funny... I saw this golf team in the airport after whatever Womens tournament that was held at English Turn back in March.
Clearly this was Tiger's fault!

[bingbing24]

fuggin hilarious

[swbyps]

[quote name='rblmp32' date='11 May 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1273611827' post='2435378']
[quote name='Tmiller72' date='11 May 2010 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1273611593' post='2435366']
She's pretty hot, I'll give her a 1 time pass.
[/quote]

lmao... I checked that myself. I doubt we're the only ones either...haha.
[/quote]

Of course we all checked out how she looks. Havent you ever seen that thread about judging a female golfer by the way she looks?

[DaBouge]

She's pretty hot, I'll give her a 1 time pass. ;)

 

lmao... I checked that myself. I doubt we're the only ones either...haha.

 

Of course we all checked out how she looks.

*Checks*...... +1 on the pass.

[Jimmy Mac]

[quote name='gpo' date='11 May 2010 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1273609658' post='2435280']
If the NCAA can't pay for people or get volunteers to track the scores legit without having to ask the players then they should not report the scores. That is BS. What do you think would happen if someone guy had to ask Tiger after every hole what he got. I somehow don't think Tiger would want to talk to the scorer. I personally would not talk to anyone about my score other than the person keeping my score. That is total BS.

I would also argue that all players should not know the scores of the teams or indivduals during the round. No one should be relaying this info to anyone.

Think about it. If one team brings some extra help and relays scores to players during the round then that is an unfair advantage as well. Does every team have the same amount of people on the course including parents/fans.

I remember playing in HS. You played and then you came in and figured out who won. Either do it that way or have a full fledge scoring system that doesn't intrude on the player whatsoever.

Some people don't like to talk to people during a round and they should not have to unless it is their playing partner.
[/quote]

When he was in college, if it were a rule of play for a tournament and there was a DQ attached to not following the rule, Tiger would have reported his score after each hole. The same would be true as a pro. He might not have liked it, but as long as every player has to follow the same procedure, I don't see what the issue is.

The same goes for players who don't want to talk to anyone. If the conditions of competition require they report their scores, they better get used to talking to the officials. Seriously, I doubt the conversation is much more than "Your score on the last hole?" "Four" "Thanks" - a one-word answer. I'm not sure why any player would think they're above the rules - even if the rule is only applied for that one day. The whole question of "I wouldn't want to..." doesn't apply. If the rule says you must do something you do it even if you find it annoying or stupid. The same rule applies to everyone in the field. It doesn't matter what you like or want. It's not an intrusion – it's a rule. Heck, I know plenty of people who like to call six inch putts a gimme, I doubt they'd be cool with that in stroke play.



Your argument of a one team advantage via "extra help" is counter to what you're trying to say. The primary reason you have neutral officials posting scores is so that EVERYONE has the same information and it takes away that kind of home team advantage.

Really as long as everyone has access to the same information, I don't see where there would be an issue with posting the scores. They do it in every pro tournament I've attended.

It's likely that the score reporting wasn't a rule, but reporting a false score to an official was an unsportsmanlike action. I'm guessing if a player screamed during her opponent's backswing on every shot, she would be DQ'd for unsportsmanlike conduct, too. Even though it's not a rule.

[TMfan54]

[quote name='Jimmy Mac' date='11 May 2010 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1273608609' post='2435234']
[quote name='TMTPFan54 ' date='11 May 2010 - 03:52 PM' timestamp='1273607554' post='2435199']
i dont get it. so she was telling people she shot 30 on the front? or she was marking down on her card? i joke around with my teammates if i see them on the course and tell them im 12 under thru 6 or whatever, but i do not tell that to anyone else like at the scorer's table or anything and the card i keep is correct. who was she reporting the scores to?
[/quote]

My understanding from reading the article is that they have official observers around the course who check with player to get their current scores. I would assume this is relayed back to a central point and then it's displayed on a leader board which all of the teams can view. When players and coaches saw that this player was pulling away from the field, they may have changed their strategy - gone for more risky shots, etc. Just like you see players adjust their strategy on the PGA tour depending on the lead or deficit they have relative to competitors - which they glean from the leaderboards.

She apparently was keeping a correct score on her card while giving false numbers to the observers. The biggest difference between her case and yours is that you told your team mates a false score - she told one to an official. That's a very big difference.

By giving false information that would cause a strategic error by her opponents, she was acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. It may have been within the rules of golf, but it wasn't sportsmanlike. The NCAA has the authority to DQ a player for that infraction.

This event may have had different rules for reporting since it was a regional, or perhaps just because the facility had the option of keeping a running leader board.
[/quote]
k thanks thats what i thought. our tourneys usually don't have many people recording scores. usually 2 spots on the course. but ya that s definitely not allowed. lol pretty funny tho

[b.helts]

when i was in college, at the bigger tournaments (ie had scoreboards), they would have a couple people sitting behind the green on every third or fourth hole.  you'd hand them your scorecard and wait 30 seconds or so for them to enter in the last few scores.  then they'd hand your card back to you and you'd be on your way.

i can't ever remember someone asking me what i made on a hole, it may have happened, but i don't remember it.

point being, for someone to have done this when i was playing, they'd have to write three on my card 9 times for me to "shoot" 27.  we never reported our own scores.

[jons1]

[quote name='gpo' date='11 May 2010 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1273609658' post='2435280']
If the NCAA can't pay for people or get volunteers to track the scores legit without having to ask the players then they should not report the scores. That is BS. What do you think would happen if someone guy had to ask Tiger after every hole what he got. I somehow don't think Tiger would want to talk to the scorer. I personally would not talk to anyone about my score other than the person keeping my score. That is total BS.
[/quote]


i agree. i've played in tournaments and have never been asked to give a play by play. i think even asking players to do this in itself is unsportsman like conduct.

it sounds like she was making fun of this scoring volunteer whom clearly didn't have a freak'n clue. seriously, at no point this info relay person didn't question the scores being told to them, or even the likely smirk or laughing while telling them? this is just stupid on so many levels. other teams looking for an edge likely bitched and moaned so bad they had to slap her wrist over it. it reminds me of these ryder cup players that claim there's incorrect play or cheating like 4 holes later... sketchy tactics.