r9 TP B and Forged Heads

[Bob57]

Similar characteristics

Here are some pictures of the r9 TP B and Forged heads. In all the pictures the shiniest finish is the forged heads. They are very similar in head shape and sole width. At address the B heads look better with the appearance of a slightly thinner top line. Both perform almost exactly the same in terms of distance and workability. But the forged heads feel much softer at impact and have a better sound. The soles and bounce seem fine for deep rough not getting hung up with sole width, but you must have the swing speed to mow through the grass. A word of warning to those that might order the forged irons from overseas---all of the sets I've seen are very flat (probably for the japanese market----shorter?).. My set had to be bent 2+ degrees upright to get to standard specs in use in the U.S. If you know someone that is visiting Japan the price winds up being about the same as the B headed set (after duty etc.)... Obviously if you order via some of the overseas shops they are much more expensive. 3-P in both sets. The forged set has much better workmanship than the B heads. KBS labels not fully stuck on the shafts, epoxy on the ferrules and shafts, black sharpie marks on the faces, stickers from the factory still on some heads----all problems on the B headed sets. Only a couple of the ferrules weren't possible to remove the epoxy, everything else was correctable.. The lower iron in the faces picture is the forged iron

[golferboytexas]

thanks for the pics.

[cck52]

The forged look alot like the 05 TP CB's, in my opinion one of the best forged clubs they made

[longdrive387]

Even if the japan model is forged the R9 B looks SO much better!! The B's have a lower, penetrating ball flight because the lack of offset too. I will take my B's over any set. Thanks for posting the pics though for comparison!

[MCopes22]

BORING. TaylorMade does not make great irons. They may be forged but they will never compete with Mizuno. Most of the guys on tour who use TaylorMade do some because they are paid to do so. These are a feeble attempt to compete with other company's forged irons. Too bad they can't pay "regular joes" to play their equipment.

[beckk10]

[quote name='cck52' date='01 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1275428582' post='2480679']
The forged look alot like the 05 TP CB's, in my opinion one of the best forged clubs they made
[/quote]

absolutely. just goes to show how good those irons really were...i am partial though because im still playing them . looks like theres more offset in the r9s however. that B set looks to be really impressive.

[longdrive387]

BORING. TaylorMade does not make great irons. They may be forged but they will never compete with Mizuno. Most of the guys on tour who use TaylorMade do some because they are paid to do so. These are a feeble attempt to compete with other company's forged irons. Too bad they can't pay "regular joes" to play their equipment.

 

Your post is not thought out very well. Luke Donald, Brian Gay, and Jeff Overton don't get paid by Mizuno to play their stuff? Yeah sure

 

They are totally "Regular joes" too, ha. What is a regular joe? Mizuno is a great iron and yes they are oh my gosh grain flow forged but TM stomps them in every way and to each is own. Sounds like you are a little burnt that they don't pay you to play their irons.

 

 

 

[Bob57]

[quote name='MCopes22' date='01 June 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1275432006' post='2480775']
BORING. TaylorMade does not make great irons. They may be forged but they will never compete with Mizuno. Most of the guys on tour who use TaylorMade do some because they are paid to do so. These are a feeble attempt to compete with other company's forged irons. Too bad they can't pay "regular joes" to play their equipment.
[/quote]



Mizuno makes very good irons and they do give you more product than Taylor Made does. In virtually every retail iron is a 2-8 gram lead plug because Mizuno doesn't feel consistent head weights are needed. Especially nice feeling when you get an 8 gram one.. A buddy bought a set of MP100s and he took them to a club builder to have a lighter weight shaft installed. The club builder couldn't do it because two of the irons needed more than 12 grams to salvage the heads-- The only way was to make the irons 1/2 inch longer and those two would still need large weights..

[Bob57]

Even if the japan model is forged the R9 B looks SO much better!! The B's have a lower, penetrating ball flight because the lack of offset too. I will take my B's over any set. Thanks for posting the pics though for comparison!

 

 

 

I found the trajectories to be virtually the same using the same shafts. Where did you get your forged TPs from and were the shafts different from your B heads.?

 

 

[longdrive387]

Even if the japan model is forged the R9 B looks SO much better!! The B's have a lower, penetrating ball flight because the lack of offset too. I will take my B's over any set. Thanks for posting the pics though for comparison!

 

 

 

I found the trajectories to be virtually the same using the same shafts. Where did you get your forged TPs from and were the shafts different from your B heads.?

 

 

 

Really? Interesting. I don't have a set of the forged but a buddy does with the same PX 6.5 satins that are in my B's. He bought them off Tourspec for a ridiculous amount of money like everything on there. My B's flew flatter and about 5 yds longer than his forged. After playing the B's for a month every other iron even blades look horrible to my eye. I love the no offset.

 

 

 

[Bob57]

I guess it is just two samples. I don't find any difference in performance or trajectory between the two. The forgings feel much softer to me. But I do agree the zero offset (and thinner top line) do look better at address (particularly in the long irons).

[Mechanic]

I have always been told by industry professionals that most everybody needs some offset. These heads went to far. I dont think the B heads have any offset. I dont know of a single set from Mizuno or Titleist that would go that far. Got my set in the other day and the specs are all over the place. 2 swing weights light and lie was flat. Feel was fair but not the solid feel I would need to play a blade looking head like this.

I will pass on these.

[longdrive387]

[quote name='mechanic' date='04 June 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1275712193' post='2487480']
I have always been told by industry professionals that most everybody needs some offset. These heads went to far. I dont think the B heads have any offset. I dont know of a single set from Mizuno or Titleist that would go that far. Got my set in the other day and the specs are all over the place. 2 swing weights light and lie was flat. Feel was fair but not the solid feel I would need to play a blade looking head like this.

I will pass on these.
[/quote]

Who cares what "industry professionals" say? That is like saying most everybody needs to hit a 9.5 stiff driver. Nonsense. Just because you had a bad experience with getting your clubs and you can't hit them doesn't mean they went too far. These irons are legit and all the sets on the PGA and Nationwide Tour prove that.

[Mitchell]

Thanks for the pictures for comparison. Just as an observation, JDM spec irons do tend to come stock with flatter lie angles and often softer shafts.

[Bob57]

You are right. I would say 75% of every iron I've gotten from Japan had to be bent 1 to 2 degrees upright to make them playable for me. Also their clubs used to come with S200 or R400 dynamic gold shafts. Most also come with one size smaller than normal grips as well...

[andrevanderpost]

I think Taylormade got these irons 100% right! I have always wanted a cavity back with a blade profile and very little offset (these don't have any, which is perfect for me). I have hit virtually every players iron that has been produced by the major OEMs in the last 5 years, and these are the best suited to my game. They have kicked the TP Smokes out the bag, as well as my Adams Pro Blacks.

I put them next to the Titleist 710 MB's today, and now even the 710's look like they have too much offset for my eye. Whilst I accept that the TP B's may not be to everyones taste, to me they are absolutely awesome.

I have spent some serious range time with mine over the last 10 days and had my first 18 holes with them today and what everyone has been saying about them being straight is absolutely spot on. I can work the ball either way but with about 5 yards shape. If you really want to hook/cut a shot you can, but on average these really are great for working the ball in subtle fashion.

What has amazed me is that with the KBS Tour x in them, I have actually picked up at least a clubs yardage over the TPs (Rifle 6.0) and Pro Blacks (KBS stiff).

All I can say is that this was money well spent!

Andre

[apocalypsem3]

BORING. TaylorMade does not make great irons. They may be forged but they will never compete with Mizuno. Most of the guys on tour who use TaylorMade do some because they are paid to do so. These are a feeble attempt to compete with other company's forged irons. Too bad they can't pay "regular joes" to play their equipment.

 

Your post is not thought out very well. Luke Donald, Brian Gay, and Jeff Overton don't get paid by Mizuno to play their stuff? Yeah sure

 

They are totally "Regular joes" too, ha. What is a regular joe? Mizuno is a great iron and yes they are oh my gosh grain flow forged but TM stomps them in every way and to each is own. Sounds like you are a little burnt that they don't pay you to play their irons.

 

 

 

 

 

LOL. Someone is biased....

 

TaylorMade R9 SuperDizeep 9.5* Aldila RIP 70 X Proto, 8.5 Superfast TP 70 X RIP

TaylorMade Tour Issue R9 13* Aldila RIP 70 X

TaylorMade R9 19* Matrix Code 8 X

Taylor Made R9 B's Tour Issue Satin PX 6.5

TaylorMade Tour Issue 50* FXT, S400

TaylorMade Tour Issue 54* FXT, S400

TaylorMade Tour Issue 58* FXT, S400

Tour Issue Ghost Rossa Corza

Penta

TaylorMade TMX R9 Standbag

[texcrom]

BORING. TaylorMade does not make great irons. They may be forged but they will never compete with Mizuno. Most of the guys on tour who use TaylorMade do some because they are paid to do so. These are a feeble attempt to compete with other company's forged irons. Too bad they can't pay "regular joes" to play their equipment.

 

Your post is not thought out very well. Luke Donald, Brian Gay, and Jeff Overton don't get paid by Mizuno to play their stuff? Yeah sure

 

They are totally "Regular joes" too, ha. What is a regular joe? Mizuno is a great iron and yes they are oh my gosh grain flow forged but TM stomps them in every way and to each is own. Sounds like you are a little burnt that they don't pay you to play their irons.

 

 

 

 

 

LOL. Someone is biased....

 

TaylorMade R9 SuperDizeep 9.5* Aldila RIP 70 X Proto, 8.5 Superfast TP 70 X RIP

TaylorMade Tour Issue R9 13* Aldila RIP 70 X

TaylorMade R9 19* Matrix Code 8 X

Taylor Made R9 B's Tour Issue Satin PX 6.5

TaylorMade Tour Issue 50* FXT, S400

TaylorMade Tour Issue 54* FXT, S400

TaylorMade Tour Issue 58* FXT, S400

Tour Issue Ghost Rossa Corza

Penta

TaylorMade TMX R9 Standbag

 

I don't see the bias. Looks like a perfectly acceptable bag to me.

 

Of course I may be biased also. Don't like the look of the FXT wedges; not sure why, although I think it is the line that surrounds the removable face.

 

Other than that, great looking bag!

[do rag]

great "looking" bag....wonder if you have the game to match

[Big Ben]

Even if the japan model is forged the R9 B looks SO much better!! The B's have a lower, penetrating ball flight because the lack of offset too. I will take my B's over any set. Thanks for posting the pics though for comparison!

 

 

 

I found the trajectories to be virtually the same using the same shafts. Where did you get your forged TPs from and were the shafts different from your B heads.?

 

 

 

Really? Interesting. I don't have a set of the forged but a buddy does with the same PX 6.5 satins that are in my B's. He bought them off Tourspec for a ridiculous amount of money like everything on there. My B's flew flatter and about 5 yds longer than his forged. After playing the B's for a month every other iron even blades look horrible to my eye. I love the no offset.

I 1000% agree! These two sets of irons look absolutely nothing alike. I've had the privilege of playing most highend brand of irons (lots of Jspec too) and the R9 B's are the best irons I've ever hit, the true zero offset is the best thing I've ever found in golf equipment, it's that amazing, I will NEVER play another set of irons with offset again...BB

[Bob57]

Then you better hope these last a long time since I can not recall any set forged, cast, or hybrid that has no offset in recent history. You have to go back to the Titleist 681s to get a set that had constant low offset (and even those had .085 of offset). While the B heads look better at address with no offset and a thinner top line the forged TPs still feel softer. Neither is more forgiving than the other after 6 rounds and countless range balls with each set. By the way I paid exactly the same amount of money for both sets (probably because I didn't order from an online company).

[longdrive387]

great "looking" bag....wonder if you have the game to match

 

Well, all I can say is anytime you are in Denver CO after August (playing the Dakotas Tour in July then moving to CO) give me a shout and I would love to show you

 

 

My email is jsxrstephenson@hotmail.com

 

P.S. Bring your wallet

[bmlf12]

Thanks for the pics. These look sick, probably way out of my price range though

[golffitness23]

nice pics. still think the TPZ's are the best looking iron TM has out right now.

[Ti-Cip]

i dont know where all you guys are saying japan stuff is around 2* flat..???? i have ordered 2 sets in the past with tourspec golf,,, and before i pull the trigger ,, i check the specs that are on their website..even currently, if you check the specs of the r9 forged itons, you can easily see the lies are exactly the same as US versions, ie the retail US r9 tp!!
even the lengths are identical...
i think all you guys should check the website specs before youpost things that are not accurate.. sure, you could have measured them and the numbers are not consistent,, but we've all heard stories about getting things from within the US and the specs are not spot on..
if your japan made clubs are off,, i'm sure it's due to QC rather than saying japan specs are short or flat as STD...

[Bob57]

[quote name='Ti-Cip ' date='19 June 2010 - 12:16 AM' timestamp='1276928170' post='2519044']
i dont know where all you guys are saying japan stuff is around 2* flat..???? i have ordered 2 sets in the past with tourspec golf,,, and before i pull the trigger ,, i check the specs that are on their website..even currently, if you check the specs of the r9 forged itons, you can easily see the lies are exactly the same as US versions, ie the retail US r9 tp!!
even the lengths are identical...
i think all you guys should check the website specs before youpost things that are not accurate.. sure, you could have measured them and the numbers are not consistent,, but we've all heard stories about getting things from within the US and the specs are not spot on..
if your japan made clubs are off,, i'm sure it's due to QC rather than saying japan specs are short or flat as STD...
[/quote]

Could care less what the website says. The set of r9TP forged irons I got were 2 degrees flat and had to be bent. Lengths were fine. They were exactly 2 degrees flatter than a set of r9TP B heads. Also 2 degrees flat were a set of Epons and Muiraisms I ordered. All had to be bent upright. I think you should order some stuff and not rely on website information which may or may not be accurate before you post things that aren't actual experiences. With most of the companies that you order from you can spec. the lies, lofts, and lengths you want but that takes 6-8 weeks for custom orders. If you order what they have in stock you can get them in days and putting the lie to correct specs is no big deal..



The set of Anser irons that my friend brought me back from Japan were black color code and those were correct.

[Ti-Cip]

[quote name='Bob57' date='19 June 2010 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1276995165' post='2520206']
[quote name='Ti-Cip ' date='19 June 2010 - 12:16 AM' timestamp='1276928170' post='2519044']
i dont know where all you guys are saying japan stuff is around 2* flat..???? i have ordered 2 sets in the past with tourspec golf,,, and before i pull the trigger ,, i check the specs that are on their website..even currently, if you check the specs of the r9 forged itons, you can easily see the lies are exactly the same as US versions, ie the retail US r9 tp!!
even the lengths are identical...
i think all you guys should check the website specs before youpost things that are not accurate.. sure, you could have measured them and the numbers are not consistent,, but we've all heard stories about getting things from within the US and the specs are not spot on..
if your japan made clubs are off,, i'm sure it's due to QC rather than saying japan specs are short or flat as STD...
[/quote]

Could care less what the website says. The set of r9TP forged irons I got were 2 degrees flat and had to be bent. Lengths were fine. They were exactly 2 degrees flatter than a set of r9TP B heads. Also 2 degrees flat were a set of Epons and Muiraisms I ordered. All had to be bent upright. I think you should order some stuff and not rely on website information which may or may not be accurate before you post things that aren't actual experiences. With most of the companies that you order from you can spec. the lies, lofts, and lengths you want but that takes 6-8 weeks for custom orders. If you order what they have in stock you can get them in days and putting the lie to correct specs is no big deal..



The set of Anser irons that my friend brought me back from Japan were black color code and those were correct.
[/quote]

you think i should order some japan stuff?? well, my friend, i have ordered 2 sets in the past few yrs from tourspeec.com,, a set of 08 tp forged, and a set of 09 tp forged. the 08's could not be custom ordered, but i did so with the 09 tp forged... std lie, 1/4" over, and they are as accurate as can be..
my r9 tp b's are pretty much the same.. in fact i ordered those US at d2 SW and i must say they feel more like a D3..
that's my point,, even if you custom order them in the US market,, whether it be TM, callaway, titleist or whoever,, it's still some employee making them...and more than likely, they will be off a bit..
the set i have the most confidence in specs is a set of PGA tour issued tour preferreds that i had custom built by a a guy in henderson nv..