Turning right wrist over after impact

[sennett0r]

Hey guys. My first question is, is there a word or phrase for "turning your right wrist over after impact"?

 

Second question is, What kind of drills would you guys recommend to get the right wrist to turn over?

 

When I make good contact with the ball, I typically see it go right of my target. I'm under the impression that if I can turn my right wrist over, it will help with the initial direction of the ball as well as putting that baby draw on it.

 

Any help is appreciated!

[mister2cool]

There are many reasons to hit a block to the right, and I think I had gone through all of them. Right wrist is probably the LAST thing that could cause it.

Without seeing a video of your swing, it's impossible to tell. But if I had to take a blind guess, I'd say problem is with your hip rotation or LEFT wrist. Try a right hand two finger grip (opening up thumb and index finger) and hit the ball and see if you get the same block to the right.

[Chase87]

Your swing path will determine your draw/fade status, and the face angle is easier controlled by your left wrist. It can certainly be done with the right, but it's less reliable. Try using your right side as the driving force while keeping that wrist bent (holding the lag), and get the feeling of pointing the emblem of your glove toward the target or slightly lower at impact.

[highergr0und]

Well the wrist will turn after impact..... Hard not to if you're swinging hard. I throw the ball out there to the right every once in a while. First thing to check is alignment, especially if it's happening a lot. Are you really blocking it right or is your body aiming that way. Watch the shoulders ending up closed on the setup. Could be clearing hips.... are you having the issue with every club? The shorter the club, the more "open" you need to set up to allow everything to clear to get the club around.

If all else fails, start aiming left and watch the ball work into the target. A good number of great players like Trevino basically played that shot their whole career.

[sennett0r]

[quote name='mister2cool' date='11 June 2010 - 05:48 AM' timestamp='1276264113' post='2502659']
There are many reasons to hit a block to the right, and I think I had gone through all of them. Right wrist is probably the LAST thing that could cause it.

Without seeing a video of your swing, it's impossible to tell. But if I had to take a blind guess, I'd say problem is with your hip rotation or LEFT wrist. Try a right hand two finger grip (opening up thumb and index finger) and hit the ball and see if you get the same block to the right.
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I'll definately try that the next time I hit the range. It's tough for me to get a video of my swing because I don't go to the range often and when I play a full 18 (about once a week), I just feel weird asking someone to record my swing and feel that it would slow down the group. And I don't have a video camera, just my phone...


[quote name='Chase87' date='11 June 2010 - 06:08 AM' timestamp='1276265331' post='2502698']
Your swing path will determine your draw/fade status, and the face angle is easier controlled by your left wrist. It can certainly be done with the right, but it's less reliable. Try using your right side as the driving force while keeping that wrist bent (holding the lag), and get the feeling of pointing the emblem of your glove toward the target or slightly lower at impact.
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I feel that I get pretty good impact with my hands in front of the ball, but again, I have yet to see myself on video or have my swing analyzed so I'm not sure if my swing path is out/in, in/out, or in/in.


[quote name='highergr0und' date='11 June 2010 - 06:38 AM' timestamp='1276267083' post='2502760']
Well the wrist will turn after impact..... Hard not to if you're swinging hard. I throw the ball out there to the right every once in a while. First thing to check is alignment, especially if it's happening a lot. Are you really blocking it right or is your body aiming that way. Watch the shoulders ending up closed on the setup. Could be clearing hips.... are you having the issue with every club? The shorter the club, the more "open" you need to set up to allow everything to clear to get the club around.

If all else fails, start aiming left and watch the ball work into the target. A good number of great players like Trevino basically played that shot their whole career.
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I might try that if I can't figure anything else out... It pretty much happens with each club... I used to have a problem "sliding" my hips toward the target on my downswing but have slowly learned to fix that. I'm now doing a better job of turning my hips so that my chest is facing the target on my follow through...

[chicken tycoon]

[quote name='mister2cool' date='11 June 2010 - 06:48 AM' timestamp='1276264113' post='2502659']
There are many reasons to hit a block to the right, and I think I had gone through all of them. Right wrist is probably the LAST thing that could cause it.

Without seeing a video of your swing, it's impossible to tell. But if I had to take a blind guess, I'd say problem is with your hip rotation or LEFT wrist. Try a right hand two finger grip (opening up thumb and index finger) and hit the ball and see if you get the same block to the right.
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+1 on hip rotation

[happyroman]

[quote name='sennett0r' date='11 June 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1276235408' post='2502393']
Hey guys. My first question is, is there a word or phrase for "turning your right wrist over after impact"?

Second question is, What kind of drills would you guys recommend to get the right wrist to turn over?

When I make good contact with the ball, I typically see it go right of my target. I'm under the impression that if I can turn my right wrist over, it will help with the initial direction of the ball as well as putting that baby draw on it.

Any help is appreciated!
[/quote]

First, if you do a search for new ball flight laws, you will find that the clubface angle at impact is the predominant factor in the initial direction of the golf ball. Therefore, if the ball is starting to the right, the clubface is pointing in that direction at impact.

If you are blocking it to the right, that is usually the result of the club getting stuck behind you, which can occur if your backswing plane is too flat. This can also result in flipping the clubhead through impact causing a hook.

I do feel that there has been too much emphasis on maintaining lag, which has resulted in many people not releasing the club properly. At impact, the left wrist should be flat and the right wrist should be bent (flexed). However, shortly after impact, when both arms are straight, this will reverse, with the right wrist being straight and the left wrist being flexed. The folding of the left elbow on the follow through completes the mirror image of the backswing and keeps the club on-plane.

Monte Scheinblum has tons of excellent free videos posted on YouTube. Here are links to all of them, and a couple showing release drills which I have found to be extremely helpful.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#g/u"]http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#g/u[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#p/search/1/OWs2CyOuGW4"]http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#p/search/1/OWs2CyOuGW4[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#p/search/3/m0rJIOFok64"]http://www.youtube.com/user/hititlong#p/search/3/m0rJIOFok64[/url]

[mister2cool]

[quote name='happyroman' date='11 June 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1276271185' post='2502882'] At impact, the left wrist should be flat and the right wrist should be bent (flexed). However, shortly after impact, when both arms are straight, this will reverse, with the right wrist being straight and the left wrist being flexed. The folding of the left elbow on the follow through completes the mirror image of the backswing and keeps the club on-plane.
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Sorry but I disagree on the part about after impact. As the arms rotate through impact, the left wrist should stay flat, but rotated . Breaking down left wrist after impact is the typical flipping, and could cause some injury to wrist after a while.

[clearwater]

[quote name='sennett0r' date='11 June 2010 - 01:50 AM' timestamp='1276235408' post='2502393']
Hey guys. My first question is, is there a word or phrase for "turning your right wrist over after impact"?

Second question is, What kind of drills would you guys recommend to get the right wrist to turn over?

When I make good contact with the ball, I typically see it go right of my target. I'm under the impression that if I can turn my right wrist over, it will help with the initial direction of the ball as well as putting that baby draw on it.

Any help is appreciated!
[/quote]

"turning your wrist over", as you are describing is contributing factor to hitting the ball to the right! It will not help with putting the baby draw on it. You want to avoid turning your wrists if you'd like to push/draw the ball.

[russc1597187869]

Mister2cool

The 2 finger grip is an interesting drill.Are you saying that it helps with hip rotation and a flat left wrist at impact.If that is the case then it sounds like a great anti-flipping aid.

[sennett0r]

My dad told me that Tiger always does this before a round where he swings back and forth on a flat plane right in front of him, just making sure to turn his right wrist over on the follow through...

is this for something else then?

I just thought it made sense that if I was able to turn the right wrist over at impact, it would create a slight spin on the ball to create that baby draw as it comes off the clubface...

Is this not the case?

Also, what is a good drill that I can practice in doors? I have enough space in my apartment to practice a full swing with an Approach Wedge...

[happyroman]

[quote name='mister2cool' date='11 June 2010 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1276275539' post='2503047']
[quote name='happyroman' date='11 June 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1276271185' post='2502882'] At impact, the left wrist should be flat and the right wrist should be bent (flexed). However, shortly after impact, when both arms are straight, this will reverse, with the right wrist being straight and the left wrist being flexed. The folding of the left elbow on the follow through completes the mirror image of the backswing and keeps the club on-plane.
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Sorry but I disagree on the part about after impact. As the arms rotate through impact, the left wrist should stay flat, but rotated . Breaking down left wrist after impact is the typical flipping, and could cause some injury to wrist after a while.
[/quote]

I may not have been accurate enough with my description of the wrist action. However, flipping, as I understand it, is the breaking down of the left (leading) wrist [i][b]before[/b][/i] impact. At some point after impact, when both arms are fully extended (the right arm will still have some bend at the elbow at impact), the left wrist can fold to some degree, along with the left elbow in order to release the club on plane.

There are several ways to release the club, each of which has merit. However, after doing a little research, I now understand that, according to Jeff Mann, the right wrist can straighten without simultaneously bending the left wrist, if the left wrist/hand is moving to the left along the surface of an inclined plane.

So, there seems to be any number of ways to release the club, each of which has it's proponents. I know David Blair teaches the release I have described. And I know that I have seen Brian Manzella show that the follow through position, when the right arm is parallel to the ground, is a mirror image of the backswing position when the left arm is parallel to the ground.

Please understand that I am not talking about actively flipping the wrists through impact, but rather, allowing them to respond to the momentum and centrifugal force generated during the swing.
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[goodgully]

we you do need to turn your right wrist over but its probably more than that

[mister2cool]

[quote name='russc' date='11 June 2010 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1276288259' post='2503494']
Mister2cool

The 2 finger grip is an interesting drill.Are you saying that it helps with hip rotation and a flat left wrist at impact.If that is the case then it sounds like a great anti-flipping aid.
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It's more a tempo drill but I found it to work very well to get the feeling of left arm pulling the club down and lead through impact. Without the full power of right arm, you are forced to use body rotation to initiate downswing and pulling it down more with left arm. You are definitely less likely to flip as left wrist along is not strong enough to flip the club over. The two open fingers greatly restrict the pressure you can put on the grip with right hand. It's actually quite tough to keep those two fingers open through impact at first. Try it.

[mister2cool]

[quote name='happyroman' date='11 June 2010 - 06:59 PM' timestamp='1276297177' post='2503741']
[quote name='mister2cool' date='11 June 2010 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1276275539' post='2503047']
[quote name='happyroman' date='11 June 2010 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1276271185' post='2502882'] At impact, the left wrist should be flat and the right wrist should be bent (flexed). However, shortly after impact, when both arms are straight, this will reverse, with the right wrist being straight and the left wrist being flexed. The folding of the left elbow on the follow through completes the mirror image of the backswing and keeps the club on-plane.
[/quote]

Sorry but I disagree on the part about after impact. As the arms rotate through impact, the left wrist should stay flat, but rotated . Breaking down left wrist after impact is the typical flipping, and could cause some injury to wrist after a while.
[/quote]

I may not have been accurate enough with my description of the wrist action. However, flipping, as I understand it, is the breaking down of the left (leading) wrist [i][b]before[/b][/i] impact. At some point after impact, when both arms are fully extended (the right arm will still have some bend at the elbow at impact), the left wrist can fold to some degree, along with the left elbow in order to release the club on plane.

There are several ways to release the club, each of which has merit. However, after doing a little research, I now understand that, according to Jeff Mann, the right wrist can straighten without simultaneously bending the left wrist, if the left wrist/hand is moving to the left along the surface of an inclined plane.

So, there seems to be any number of ways to release the club, each of which has it's proponents. I know David Blair teaches the release I have described. And I know that I have seen Brian Manzella show that the follow through position, when the right arm is parallel to the ground, is a mirror image of the backswing position when the left arm is parallel to the ground.

Please understand that I am not talking about actively flipping the wrists through impact, but rather, allowing them to respond to the momentum and centrifugal force generated during the swing.

[/quote]

We were both right and we were both wrong. Breaking down wrist after impact could be a case of flipping but not the typical type. The case that I described was when arms fell too far behind body, so player has to use hands to catch up. You could actually get decent strike with hands leading, but the left wrist breaks down right away and swing goes around the body, and you can never get to the position with both arms extended down the line. I know this well because I have been working hard to correct it.

In any case, that's a different discussion all together.

Back to OP, look at this article and you'll understand how your [b]LEFT wrist [/b]should do through impact, and right wrist is simply on opposite side of it. [url="http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/"]http://www.zenchili.com/2010/02/01/achieving-left-wrist-supination-golf-swing-drill/[/url]

[cwdlaw223]

Doesn't Brian Manzella advocate a little flip with the left wrist post-impact in his video Never Hook Again? (not at impact, post impact).