Mp 63 how forgiving

[golf playa]

I asked this once but didn't get a couple of replies. And if the scientific method has taugh me anything. It's that more answers give a more accurate result.

 

Anyway how forgiving are they.

If on a scale of 1-5

1 is having the forgiveness of the tm r9 tp

5 is having the forgiveness of the mp 68

 

Where would they lie?

[TLUBulldogGolf]

I would say 4. Though they don't seem a whole lot more fogiving than the 68s. They do feel awesome though.

[golf playa]

Really? I thought mizuno said that the 63 would be a more forgiving set.

[Spanish Bull]

I just started playing some MP-58s after trying out both the MP-63s and MP-68s. I got a chance to hit them side by side at the demo in Carlsbad a couple weeks ago. I'd have to agree with bulldog and give them a 4. The 58s are about a 3 in my book and the 68s are definitely a 5.

Even Mizuno puts the 63s right behind the 68s in terms of forgiveness, followed by the 58 and 53. Mind you, he didn't show me the flyer stating this until after I hit all three clubs and was convinced that the 58s were the most forgiving of the three and the 68 being the least. Same shaft was used for all three clubs. The 63s, however, did feel better on pure shots than the 58s but not by much. Also, they were almost identical to the 68s in terms of feel.

[golf playa]

Wow. This is a real dissapointer. What about the long irons, how were they in terms of forgiveness. (6 iron-3)

[tec333]

[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285094664' post='2707280']
Wow. This is a real dissapointer. What about the long irons, how were they in terms of forgiveness. (6 iron-3)
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I have not played the 68's...

I have tried the 58's and currently messing around with the 63's.

I would have to say MP 58's are at a 3 and the 63's are at a 4....if 67's are about the same as 68's then yes those would be a 5.....

[golf playa]

What about distance. With the strong degrees how much yardage did the sets have over the 68s??

[golf playa]

Luke Donald also said that with the 63s, his misfits were slightly better. Is this true?

[Donly]

Definitely sold as players clubs.

[golf playa]

True. But players irons all have a different amount of forgiveness.

[Doc Mcstuffins]

Can anyone comment on forgiveness of the 63 vs. MP60's? Was hoping to replace the 60's with 63's, but don't want to give up forgiveness.

[Balloon]

[quote name='joeclothing' timestamp='1285129734' post='2708126']
Can anyone comment on forgiveness of the 63 vs. MP60's? Was hoping to replace the 60's with 63's, but don't want to give up forgiveness.
[/quote]

Played the MP57's which are considered to be more forgiving than the 60's. My impression about the MP63's is that they provide at least similar forgiviness and better feel compared to the MP57. Shafts are different in both sets. This may play a role in this comparision.

[78blades]

[quote name='joeclothing' timestamp='1285129734' post='2708126']
Can anyone comment on forgiveness of the 63 vs. MP60's? Was hoping to replace the 60's with 63's, but don't want to give up forgiveness.
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I can't comment on the 63's but do know that the 62's aren't quite as forgiving as the 60's b/c they have less off set than the 60's.

[Spanish Bull]

[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285118586' post='2707839']
What about distance. With the strong degrees how much yardage did the sets have over the 68s??
[/quote]

The 58s and 68s have the same lofts but I felt like the 58s carried further (probably because of the slightly higher trajectory).

The 63s are 1* stronger but I really couldn't tell a difference in distance.

[Spanish Bull]

[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285094664' post='2707280']
Wow. This is a real dissapointer. What about the long irons, how were they in terms of forgiveness. (6 iron-3)
[/quote]

I only was able to demo the 6 iron in all the irons. The 68s were the only ones I struggled with. Direction was pretty much the same for all, but the trajectory was noticeably different between the 68s (much lower when slightly mis-hit) and the 63s and 58s (still carried but seemingly lost about 5 yards or so).

The 3-iron in my 58s is pretty easy to hit.

Keep in mind that my experience with the other two clubs was limited to range rocks.

[golf playa]

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[quote name='joeclothing' timestamp='1285129734' post='2708126']
Can anyone comment on forgiveness of the 63 vs. MP60's? Was hoping to replace the 60's with 63's, but don't want to give up forgiveness.
[/quote]

Played the MP57's which are considered to be more forgiving than the 60's. My impression about the MP63's is that they provide at least similar forgiviness and better feel compared to the MP57. Shafts are different in both sets. This may play a role in this comparision.
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So you would say that the 63 are somewhat pretty forgiving?

[cashtoclose]

[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285037712' post='2706444']
I asked this once but didn't get a couple of replies. And if the scientific method has taugh me anything. It's that more answers give a more accurate result.

Anyway how forgiving are they.
If on a scale of 1-5
1 is having the forgiveness of the tm r9 tp
5 is having the forgiveness of the mp 68

Where would they lie?
[/quote]

If your scale is suggesting the 68 blades are EASIER to hit than the tmr9tp you rate at 1 I have to disagree with your scale.
Ive demod the 68's and have played most off the season with the r9tp's and would rate the TM's much more forgiving.
Having said that I now game the Mp 53-63 split set (567-89Pw). I would say the 63's are more forgiving than the 68's and as forgiving as the r9tp's although they are quite smaller in size and shape. The 53's even a little more forginving than the 63's due to the slightly larger size and offset.. Both the 53-63 play all in all very similar in forgiveness to the Ap2's or r9tp's....even though I find them smaller looking, more workable.

Distance wise...after side by side testing Mizuno mp63 8 iron vs TMr9TP 8 iron...Mizuno half club longer easily, maybe more----which is significant given my TMR9 TP's were bent stronger playing off a 45* PW. They also do not dig--heard some say they dig-dont think so. Doubtful Mizuno would r&d a new line only to have them "dig".

Still only 6 rounds with the irons---am playing well, but I'd have to say best ever for me in terms of perf-looks-feel-playability. Compared to most recent tested gamed owned-I15's-Ap2-ap2 710-diablo forged-adams a4's-tour burners-r9tp.

[golf playa]

[quote name='cashtoclose' timestamp='1285183659' post='2708984']
[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285037712' post='2706444']
I asked this once but didn't get a couple of replies. And if the scientific method has taugh me anything. It's that more answers give a more accurate result.

Anyway how forgiving are they.
If on a scale of 1-5
1 is having the forgiveness of the tm r9 tp
5 is having the forgiveness of the mp 68

Where would they lie?
[/quote]

If your scale is suggesting the 68 blades are EASIER to hit than the tmr9tp you rate at 1 I have to disagree with your scale.
Ive demod the 68's and have played most off the season with the r9tp's and would rate the TM's much more forgiving.
Having said that I now game the Mp 53-63 split set (567-89Pw). I would say the 63's are more forgiving than the 68's and as forgiving as the r9tp's although they are quite smaller in size and shape. The 53's even a little more forginving than the 63's due to the slightly larger size and offset.. Both the 53-63 play all in all very similar in forgiveness to the Ap2's or r9tp's....even though I find them smaller looking, more workable.

Distance wise...after side by side testing Mizuno mp63 8 iron vs TMr9TP 8 iron...Mizuno half club longer easily, maybe more----which is significant given my TMR9 TP's were bent stronger playing off a 45* PW. They also do not dig--heard some say they dig-dont think so. Doubtful Mizuno would r&d a new line only to have them "dig".

Still only 6 rounds with the irons---am playing well, but I'd have to say best ever for me in terms of perf-looks-feel-playability. Compared to most recent tested gamed owned-I15's-Ap2-ap2 710-diablo forged-adams a4's-tour burners-r9tp.
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hmm. now that i look at it. it does look a little backwards. what i wanted the scale to be is 5 (68s) are least forgiving and 1 (r9 tp) to be the most forgiving.

so you think the the 63 has close to the r9 tp in terms of forgiveness?

[buster]

I had a long chat with some in the know about the new mizzy irons this morning based on my 5 rounds and practice sessions with the 53s... I keep thinking: if you have to ask about forgiveness, they are too much club.. these mp irons are not made for forgiveness.. made for precision. That's what they do.. if you don't wear them on a nickle, you are going to be dealing with a lot of frustration.. and 53's are likely more forgiving than 63s.. I shoot par on a decent day.. I'll be going back to mx-300s... that's what belongs in my bag! but these are sooo good looking... think the mp-60s were more forgiving than these 53s... but I was a much better player when I bagged them and it's been a few years...

[cashtoclose]

[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285183870' post='2708986']
[quote name='cashtoclose' timestamp='1285183659' post='2708984']
[quote name='golf playa' timestamp='1285037712' post='2706444']
I asked this once but didn't get a couple of replies. And if the scientific method has taugh me anything. It's that more answers give a more accurate result.

Anyway how forgiving are they.
If on a scale of 1-5
1 is having the forgiveness of the tm r9 tp
5 is having the forgiveness of the mp 68

Where would they lie?
[/quote]

If your scale is suggesting the 68 blades are EASIER to hit than the tmr9tp you rate at 1 I have to disagree with your scale.
Ive demod the 68's and have played most off the season with the r9tp's and would rate the TM's much more forgiving.
Having said that I now game the Mp 53-63 split set (567-89Pw). I would say the 63's are more forgiving than the 68's and as forgiving as the r9tp's although they are quite smaller in size and shape. The 53's even a little more forginving than the 63's due to the slightly larger size and offset.. Both the 53-63 play all in all very similar in forgiveness to the Ap2's or r9tp's....even though I find them smaller looking, more workable.

Distance wise...after side by side testing Mizuno mp63 8 iron vs TMr9TP 8 iron...Mizuno half club longer easily, maybe more----which is significant given my TMR9 TP's were bent stronger playing off a 45* PW. They also do not dig--heard some say they dig-dont think so. Doubtful Mizuno would r&d a new line only to have them "dig".

Still only 6 rounds with the irons---am playing well, but I'd have to say best ever for me in terms of perf-looks-feel-playability. Compared to most recent tested gamed owned-I15's-Ap2-ap2 710-diablo forged-adams a4's-tour burners-r9tp.
[/quote]

hmm. now that i look at it. it does look a little backwards. what i wanted the scale to be is 5 (68s) are least forgiving and 1 (r9 tp) to be the most forgiving.

so you think the the 63 has close to the r9 tp in terms of forgiveness?
[/quote]

53 is closer to r9 tp foregiveness, 63 not so much so, but i only carry 63 in 89P...so I dont need so much help there.
BOTH irons are small...look at them, theres not alot there, so to expect a lot of help would be less than realistic.

[golf playa]

So were would you rate them on my scale.?

[frankie67]

Cashtoclose, I am considering to buy a set of mp53s. Just not sure whether a 53/63 combo would make sense.I've noticed that you game a combo. What's your experience? Anything materially different from a straight set of 53s? If so, what are the advantages in your opinion?Thanks!

[golf playa]

If i have the mp 68s an want some more forgiveness. Would the mp 63s be a good choice?

[tbonetw]

If you want significantly more forgiveness than the 68s I'd look at the 53s. The 63 is a little more forgiving directionally. Not so much from a sweet spot standpoint. I've hit them all as I've been considering replacing my Tour Preferreds. I'd consider the 53s as forgiving as my Tour Preferreds. The 63 has a higher MOI than a blade, but I thought the sweetspot was about the same. Granted, I was hitting all of these in the middle on 8-9 out of 10 shots so I hit all of them good. But the mishit on the 53 was punished much less. And it feels much better than the 52 did.

[golf playa]

[quote name='tbonetw' timestamp='1285346208' post='2712217']
If you want significantly more forgiveness than the 68s I'd look at the 53s. The 63 is a little more forgiving directionally. Not so much from a sweet spot standpoint. I've hit them all as I've been considering replacing my Tour Preferreds. I'd consider the 53s as forgiving as my Tour Preferreds. The 63 has a higher MOI than a blade, but I thought the sweetspot was about the same. Granted, I was hitting all of these in the middle on 8-9 out of 10 shots so I hit all of them good. But the mishit on the 53 was punished much less. And it feels much better than the 52 did.
[/quote]

So what you're saying is if I hit the sweetspot on the 63s but my clubface wasn't completely square, the resultant shot would be less offline than if I made that same swing with 68s?

And if I were to swing and miss the sweetspot by 3mm with the 68s, I would also miss the sweet spot by3mm on the 63s?

Because the sweetspot on the 68s and the 63s are the same size?

[swbyps]

LOL...I hope you're not the guy who was next to me at the range yesterday attempting to hit them! We were off mats yesterday and half the time he couldnt get it 5ft off the ground and the other half it was crooked. If by chance that was you, sorry dude, but I guess you got your answer.

[tbonetw]

Pretty much. I'm sure Mizuno would claim the sweetspot is X% larger on the 63 than the 68. I'm just saying that 2-3 mm misses on either club were hardly affected from a distance standpoint. But directionally the 63 flew closer to the target. However on the 53 you could miss it all over the scoring lines and have very little change in direction or distance. But you give up the ability to work the ball as much on the 53. But if I were only debating the 63 and the 68 I would probably buy the 68s because they feel a little more solid and they look better in the bag!

[golf playa]

[quote name='swbyps' timestamp='1285351524' post='2712319']
LOL...I hope you're not the guy who was next to me at the range yesterday attempting to hit them! We were off mats yesterday and half the time he couldnt get it 5ft off the ground and the other half it was crooked. If by chance that was you, sorry dude, but I guess you got your answer.
[/quote]
ha. wasnt me

[golf playa]

[quote name='tbonetw' timestamp='1285351591' post='2712321']
Pretty much. I'm sure Mizuno would claim the sweetspot is X% larger on the 63 than the 68. I'm just saying that 2-3 mm misses on either club were hardly affected from a distance standpoint. But directionally the 63 flew closer to the target. However on the 53 you could miss it all over the scoring lines and have very little change in direction or distance. But you give up the ability to work the ball as much on the 53. But if I were only debating the 63 and the 68 I would probably buy the 68s because they feel a little more solid and they look better in the bag!


[/quote]

currently have the 68s. would like to be able to not square up completely but still have the ball fly in the right direction. anyway, i'm through the "blade phase, me and my friends (junior golfers) are all through it.

are those two the only reasons you'd get the 68 over the 63s?

[tbonetw]

I bought the Tour Preferreds for the same reason. I played blades and smallish-headed forged cavity backs for many years. But I wanted something more forgiving because I can't play and practice all the time and I got tired of being punished for marginally bad shots. I play with some really good golfers and I wanted to be more competitive day in and day out. The Tour Preferreds are substantially more forgiving than any blade. I am now content on buying something that has very little offset, a traditional shape, but is pretty forgiving. I don't think you'll find that the 63s are much more forgiving than what you have now. The R9TP or the MP 53 are probably more what you're looking for as far as playability goes. I would recommend getting a club that is as forgiving as possible while still having the look and feel you need to enjoy hitting them.