Ryan Moore with Ping irons (merged)

[Doublebuck]

[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288470329' post='2766659']
So far the reasons we have concluded to RM playing Ping Irons this week.........



1) better technology with the ping

2) he's a club ho

3) he likes to tinker and is not under contract

4) ping works better and he wants to win more

5) his bag was lost on way over

6) he's still wearing a scratch hat

7) he still has the scratch bag

8) he nolonger is owner of scratch

9) the clubs don't match his tie or shirts

10) david duval is the new face of scratch

11) because nobody was supposed to know he was using pings

12) because he needs a nutritionist

13) because he's a club ho

14) because the tour van didn't make it to this last tourney

15) because he shot his best round of the year with pings

16) he is fishing now for a new club contract

17) because scratch really is a wedge company

18) because if scratch gets rid of RM, clubs will be more affordable to the masses

19) because RM is a loose cannon

20) because 10 sets of scratch irons aren't enough

21) because this signals the parting of company

22) other tour players switch clubs, so RM can too

23) other tour players have contracts with Cadillac and have a BMW in garage, so its ok for RM to have different clubs in bag

24) he is part of a closed corp and therefore he really isn't a owner

25) they might be ping grips on scratch irons

26) RM looks like a factory worker and not a owner

27) because nobody on wrx runs a successful nationwide company

28) everybody is just over reacting, so what, so what, there just ping irons

29) depends what you consider a owner- 1% isn't squat

30) its ok, he wont be playing them pings in a month from now

31) pings are cheap and they aint the only cheap company

32) it's a stock ownership issue

33) RM's active role is different then what scratch posted previsously

34) because TAIII played titleist last week

35) last time he checked, scratch was producing clubs pro's were asking for(I guess in this case, just not their pro)

36) RM has reached his limits with Ari, too many sets to produce for RM and not enough time to sell to buyers
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Priceless. Master Card ad next.

Good thing Scratch is not a public company

[Doublebuck]

I will bet anyone on here that Ryan will not play ping irons next week

 

That's the best "answer" you've given yet!

 

I hope that's the case for you guys- honestly!!

 

Great speculation.RM is going to be the first to sport the NUT. TM has a marketing dream coming with these clubs. They are going to be great and they have a hook.

[EastPhillyReppin]

[quote name='stansoph' timestamp='1288484841' post='2766982']
I think that Scratch is distancing themselves from RM. The above post said nothing about "The Face of Scratch" or ownership. It did repeat the hat, bag and wedge deal.
Scratch has realized that the "Face of Scratch" needs a shave, lose some weight and to quit dressing like a clown...........He is an Albatross around Scratch's neck and they are going to cut him loose.
[/quote]

This is the reason why this has gotten out of control. Is there a reason that you have to bash Ryan? Because he dresses differently he is a clown? Come on guys! Lets keep this to the topic that he switched irons and stop talking about his clothes and weight. Ryan is a great guy

[station2station]

Let's look at it this way - Hunter Mahan won with the S56's and had a decent Ryder Cup (minus the tears), Miguel Jimenez has a win immediately after bagging the S56's ...and also a great Ryder Cup...and played fantastic last week.

...and the British ??? Oosthuizen was swinging soon-to-be-released PING S56 irons

these sticks have a track record and they've been out a short time.

[psygolf]

[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288325101' post='2764518']
[quote name='SPY ZINGER' timestamp='1288323073' post='2764468']
Ryan got a ton of press in the golf media this year when he became a part owner of scratch and began playing their irons. It's clear he had one of his best years of his career on tour playing with Scratch equipment. Not only is he their marque player, he has a vested interest in their successes and failures.

Sure, Ryan marches to his own beat with his clothes, attitude and approach to the game. However, this move is just plain stupid. Nothing good can come of his decision to put another company's irons in play. It's got to be the one of most uneducated and irresponsible move I have ever seen a tour player make. He's not just a staffer, he's part owner. Can you imagine Ely Callaway showing up to play Aviara 15 years ago with a bag full of Taylor Made irons?

I was looking at a set of DW customs grinds for 2011 to complement my Scratch Wedges, but the price had me really looking twice. Now if a PGA Tour professional and part owner of the company chooses not to put them in play, why should I. He can have his fit and finished to perfection, just like I can and he chose not to.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a bigger deal than it is? It's just a loose cannon move.
[/quote]

Spy Zinger..... I think you have hit it dead solid perfect..... and unfortunately, there will be the typical fan boy response of " your a scratch hater" or something to that effect.

I am not sold on that its all RM acting as a loose cannon as you put it..... because as the other owner of scratch has stated, RM is having the best year of his career, why would anyone banking the best year of their career just up and ditch the irons of the company you supposedly own...... it almost looks as if what we all thought or were originally presented as to who, how, or what role RM would play for scratch may not actually be the same today.... and perhaps RM is putting his feelers out now or auditioning letting it known that he is available...... because I would think that even the other equipment companys out there were under the impression that RM was contractually bound for his irons and wedges...... me thinks that there will be a parting of company in the not too distant future

who knows.... all speculation, but I'm with you.... if RM is truely any kind of owner of scratch, its not a very good business decision to help grow the company you own....... I am having a hard time with the smell test on this move
[/quote]

You guys ever think it's possible that being a part owner of a boutique golf company in this day of age in the golf industry & economy is not quite all that you crack it up to be as you might think?? My guess is a contract with Ping could be more profitable & come with less headaches.

[faaaayduuur]

Let's call a spade a spade SCRAtCH irons SUCK

[pastorhall]

[quote name='ScratchiT' timestamp='1288472846' post='2766723']
I will bet anyone on here that Ryan will not play ping irons next week
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[size="5"][b]This is his last tournament for 2010---he made that statement in a Golf Channel interview
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[moonshine]

Number 18 on that list should be removed. They were affordable before RM????

[J13]

[quote name='cardia10' timestamp='1288528802' post='2767455']
So when was the last time you hit Scratch irons? If you think Scratch sucks, you must think those Taylor Made blades are unplayable!
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so you replace one ignorant comment for another. He bashed Scratch why go to his level and bash another company?

[Mr.I302]

Well these things I know and not from reading the majority of these posts. Scratch irons are still great looking irons and I love my 53* wedge.....S-56 Irons are great looking irons too but I am honest enough to admit my game right now cant handle them(though Id like to try them..along with Scratch iorns someday)......Ryan Moore is still cool because he is a club ho and dresses funky.

[stansoph]

[quote name='ScratchiT' timestamp='1288499651' post='2767296']
[quote name='stansoph' timestamp='1288484841' post='2766982']
I think that Scratch is distancing themselves from RM. The above post said nothing about "The Face of Scratch" or ownership. It did repeat the hat, bag and wedge deal.
Scratch has realized that the "Face of Scratch" needs a shave, lose some weight and to quit dressing like a clown...........He is an Albatross around Scratch's neck and they are going to cut him loose.
[/quote]

This is the reason why this has gotten out of control. Is there a reason that you have to bash Ryan? Because he dresses differently he is a clown? Come on guys! Lets keep this to the topic that he switched irons and stop talking about his clothes and weight. Ryan is a great guy
[/quote]
Mark my words. Scratch is minimizing RM's association with the company. This is a marketing and PR move on Scratch's side. They (Scratch) have confirmed the hat, bag and wedge contract as the level of RM's involvement with them. They aren't talking ownership and marquis status of RM with them. They are moving in a new direction and that doesn't include RM as the "Face of Scratch".

[easyyy]

[quote name='faaaayduuur' timestamp='1288525809' post='2767441']
Let's call a spade a spade SCRAtCH irons SUCK
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What is going on here? Seriously. Posts like this make our community look bad. Please refrain from meaningless posts. Stay on topic.

[Skins Game 5]

I had posted in this thread once before, and stated that maybe RM just wants to win, and felt like an equipment change is what he needed. It sounds as though he has tried many different sets of Scratch irons this year, and had some success at times but did not win. There has been much talk on this forum as well as other forums about the fact that Scratch uses open molds for their irons, and these mold are quite a few years old. Obviously Irons keep evolving, improving and getting better as do Drivers, Hybrids and even balls. I owned a set of Scratch irons and wedges and liked them very much, I loved the fact that the could be customized for me. Most of the allure with the Scratch Irons and Wedges for me was based around the customization, in reality they did not improve my game over my previous clubs which were fit for me about 4 years ago but not customized for me. This year I tried some new Adams Forged CB1's I felt like I hit them much better and after having them fit for me I can honestly say they have improved my game tremendously. I am now playing to a 6 handicap from a 9. My point being I know there are a lot of Scratch fans on this forum, and I can even say that their clubs are good, but I would not say they are in any way better then everything else out there. I still like the fact that the can be customized, but having my cool stamps or paint fill is not going to lower my handicap. RM was playing Scratch Irons most of the year, I feel there was a great deal of PR built around the fact that he was, but in the end I am sure he is going to choose what is best for his game, just like Jim Furyk did with his $39.00 putter.
Someone above posted so what RM is [b]only "41[/b]in the world"[b] In the world of golf the man is ranked 41st that is a big deal,[/b]
and I am sure that poster is not in the top 40 and I am sure RM is trying to get there.
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[jebb]

Ah I get it. If you aren't a pro golfer or on the Tour you can't make a comment?

So I'm guessing that you are obviously in that bracket as you are commenting no?

My point was I think Scratch have done a great job on publicity because I can't imagine 8 pages of debate about (and let's change things wildly) the world number 40 golfer trying a set of alternate irons in an obscure Asian end of season tournament. I couldn't even tell you who the world number 40 is and doubt most people could.

On topic though I'd just like to know why he is playing them. The Scratch product is awesome and customisablefor any player.

So my question would be why he needs to go to Pings.

[Skins Game 5]

[quote name='jebb' timestamp='1288536441' post='2767544']
Ah I get it. If you aren't a pro golfer or on the Tour you can't make a comment?

So I'm guessing that you are obviously in that bracket as you are commenting no?

My point was I think Scratch have done a great job on publicity because I can't imagine 8 pages of debate about (and let's change things wildly) the world number 40 golfer trying a set of alternate irons in an obscure Asian end of season tournament. I couldn't even tell you who the world number 40 is and doubt most people could.

On topic though I'd just like to know why he is playing them. The Scratch product is awesome and customisablefor any player.

So my question would be why he needs to go to Pings.
[/quote]

Sorry if I offended by that but I happen to think 41st in the world is a big deal, I do not know about you but I would love to be in that mans shoes, heck I would love to just be a 2 handicap right now. Are you going to say that Pings are junk because you feel like Scratch is the best. Would you say that about Furyk's 39.00 Yes putter is junk as well, should he have played a ______ putter because you think it is better as well. I would bet with the 10,000,000 million he has in the bank account he can buy whatever he wants. My point being he played what improved his game.

[razorbird]

I will bet anyone on here that Ryan will not play ping irons next week

 

That's the best "answer" you've given yet!

 

I hope that's the case for you guys- honestly!!

 

 

Well they can't very well give an ANSER, now, can they?

[easyyy]

Guys. Lets try to be civil. I do not want to lock this thread up. As a community admin and in the spirit of the WRX traditions we do not close threads like this. Sponsor or not we keep them open. However if a representative of the OEM or our members take this off track we will have to delete the posts and clean it up. If it continues we will close it.

I suggest Scratchit to slow down and stay on point and members to please do the same and stay on topic.


I know our passions run deep and that is why this place rocks... but lets take the high road and lead by example... PLEASE!

Richard

[Mitchell]

Haven't read every post here thus far, but just as a cople of points of historical reference- Nick Faldo was once upon a time a highly-touted part owner of Adams and that relationship ended shall we say poorly? Just as an aside, Faldo will always be one of my favorite players, but not exactly well known for ending realtionships well.
Secondly, Tiger once played somewhat infamously in an overseas event using a Taylormade r500 series driver, allegedly to see what all the fuss was about and didn't change equipment companies, however did lead to improvements in driver product of his sponsor.
Point being, this could be a big deal or no huge isssue at all and some historical time and context will be needed so I will reserve judgement as to which I claim it to be- however both instances resulted in negative attention to the sponsor's brand and it is truly a shame that this follows some production issues, leading to rampant speculation. I truly hope that this does not do damage to Scratch in their future and wish them well as Ari, in my experience, has been quite willing to go a non-traditional route to go toward long-term success that includes giving information rather freely to those interested in his company sometimes even to his own detriment, that we would never receive from some other larger companies. I wish both Ryan and Scratch the best in the future and hope that this is handled with decorum by all involved, no matter what the future may bring.

[Trey]

What is this, Desperate Housewives or something? Just because Scratch is the darling of golfwrx, it doesn't mean that we all became instant experts on how that company operates or what agreements are in effect with their spokesmen

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[SPY ZINGER]

Not a bad finish with PINGS in the bag:

T5 USA Ryan Moore -2 F -14 64 68 69 69 270

[Langlands]

Really amazed at the "backlash" going on here. Didn't think that Ryan Moore or Scratch had done anything to deserve this kind of talk from some of the membership on here, given their accessibility to the site in recent times.

Having followed the progress of Ryan Moore over the last few seasons, seems like he enjoys tinkering with different sets of clubs - I play once a week off a 12 handicap and have 5 sets of irons, 2 drivers and more wedges and putters than I care to think about!

I dont know whether he'll ever use another set of Scratch irons again, whether he's trying the Pings as they are one of the hottest new sets from this year's lines or any other of the many hypotheticals thrown up in this thread. I've never even seen a Scratch club in the flesh as they're not that common in Scotland so can't say I'm a fan or not.

Tour pro tries new set of irons in competition - is it really that big a deal?

[nutted]

This thread is kind of ridiculous and obviously I couldn't read even a quarter of it. I assume Ryan is doing some R&D and is probably wondering what the hype is with the S56. If its as good as the hype, Im sure scratch will make a better version of the S56 with all the good attributes but with custom grinds, COG placement, high quality forgings and the like.

Custom irons are about as relevant as custom bicycles. You will never be as fast as your potential unless you have a bike that fits you perfectly. Same thing with irons, since no two swings are ever the same; be it tempo, plane, turf interaction, angle of ascent, etc.

[hogans71]

[quote name='nutted' timestamp='1288543910' post='2767648']
This thread is kind of ridiculous and obviously I couldn't read even a quarter of it. I assume Ryan is doing some R&D and is probably wondering what the hype is with the S56. If its as good as the hype, Im sure scratch will make a better version of the S56 with all the good attributes but with custom grinds, COG placement, high quality forgings and the like.

Custom irons are about as relevant as custom bicycles. You will never be as fast as your potential unless you have a bike that fits you perfectly. Same thing with irons, since no two swings are ever the same; be it tempo, plane, turf interaction, angle of ascent, etc.
[/quote]

You're kidding right?? The thread is ridiculous yet you state its "obvious" you didnt read it?

And why are you so sure that Scratch will build a better version?

Wow...

[SPY ZINGER]

[quote name='nutted' timestamp='1288543910' post='2767648']
This thread is kind of ridiculous and obviously I couldn't read even a quarter of it. I assume Ryan is doing some R&D and is probably wondering what the hype is with the S56. If its as good as the hype, Im sure scratch will make a better version of the S56 with all the good attributes but with custom grinds, COG placement, high quality forgings and the like.

Custom irons are about as relevant as custom bicycles. You will never be as fast as your potential unless you have a bike that fits you perfectly. Same thing with irons, since no two swings are ever the same; be it tempo, plane, turf interaction, angle of ascent, etc.
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Ryan Moore and his partnership was covered in depth and in great detail during the 2010 season. The media just exploited his decision to align himself with scratch and the benefits of playing their equipment. With his switch to PINGS, his statements this season now come off as being a façade. It's annoying as a consumer and reader to have been lied to. Clearly, there are better irons than Scratch for his game. An owner and staffer for Scratch just made a huge statement without saying a word by finishing T-5 with PING irons in the bag.

[size="1"][i]Golfer Ryan Moore "has signed a deal with Scratch Golf in which he will not only use their equipment, but become part owner of the company," according to Jason Sobel of ESPN.com. Moore "takes over an equity ownership role with the company and has various performance incentives built into his contract." In exchange, he will "use irons and wedges from Scratch Golf, while also wearing its logo on his clothing and golf bag." Moore "did not previously have an endorsement deal for anything other than his golf ball and glove." Moore's father, Mike, said Ryan "really liked the vision and thought (Scratch Golf) was onto something that would be a good fit for him." Moore is currently 30th on the PGA Tour money list, and Scratch Golf President & CEO Ari Techner said, "He feels we give him the best opportunity to succeed and we feel that he will help us get our name out there. ... We want to get our name out there. We don't do any traditional advertising. I'm not sure there's anyone else on tour we would have considered. It's really a win-win for everybody." Techner said that terms of the deal "have yet to be finalized, but that Moore will have an 'active' role with the company" (ESPN.com, 11/5).

ON THE FIRST TEE: In Tacoma, Todd Milles reports the contract "was finalized Thursday prior to Moore teeing off" in the WGC-HSBC Champions event in Shanghai. Moore is the "first PGA Tour player to sign with Scratch Golf," which originated in Eugene, Oregon, in '03 and is now based in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Mike Moore said that the family "flew to the company's headquarters a month ago, and spent a day testing the product." Ryan Moore has "used Ping irons pretty much his entire life." Moore signed a deal with Ping in '05, but that contract expired prior to this season (Tacoma NEWS TRIBUNE, 11/6).[/i][/size]

[size="1"][i]PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. – Ryan Moore follows his own set of rules when it comes to golf. From his clubs to his clothes, Moore’s style has become the topic of some serious golf fashion debates.

Moore is one of the few players who chooses not to have a corporate apparel sponsor. He enjoys being free to wear what he wants.

“I like to have fun with what I wear on the course,” Moore told me at TPC Sawgrass earlier this week. “I’ve toyed with the idea of having an apparel sponsor, but it’s really nice to have the freedom.”

In December 2009 Moore struck a unique deal with Scratch Golf, an up and coming golf company best known for their custom fit clubs. Somehow Scratch Golf found its way into Moore’s hands and he hasn’t looked back.

“Ryan fell in love with the clubs but we couldn’t logistically afford to have a top-50 player on our staff,” said Scratch Golf representative Bryan Harris. “It’s an interesting relationship because instead of paying Ryan to play our clubs he became part owner of the company.”

The deal worked well for both parties and truly validates how much Moore loves these clubs.

Scratch Golf has also been working to amp up its gear including new hats and soon-to-be available shirts, which feature Moore’s signature flair.

“Ryan obviously has a definitive style and we’re developing new products with his touch,” Harris said. “His style is definitely permeating through the Scratch brand. We know he likes to have his own style so we are working with him on that.”

The Masters proved that Moore’s style is unique and playful. People were buzzing with his homage to Bobby Jones.

“It was great. I loved it,” Moore said. “I had a lot of great responses. With it being the home of Bobby Jones and the tournament and the place he started, it was to honor him. I love the old, classic golf look – ties tucked in, white button down shirts.”

So, whether you’re a fan of Ryan Moore’s fashion or you think he should take a page from Rickie Fowler’s childhood Halloween costume (Freddie Couples tribute), you can’t blame a guy for trying to spruce up the fashion scene.


“There are a lot of guys who all look the same,” Moore said. “The game has lost a lot of character with golf fashion. I like to wear some outfits that you might have seen in the 50s, 60s or 70s.”[/i][/size]

[nutted]

[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1288544873' post='2767661']
[quote name='nutted' timestamp='1288543910' post='2767648']
This thread is kind of ridiculous and obviously I couldn't read even a quarter of it. I assume Ryan is doing some R&D and is probably wondering what the hype is with the S56. If its as good as the hype, Im sure scratch will make a better version of the S56 with all the good attributes but with custom grinds, COG placement, high quality forgings and the like.

Custom irons are about as relevant as custom bicycles. You will never be as fast as your potential unless you have a bike that fits you perfectly. Same thing with irons, since no two swings are ever the same; be it tempo, plane, turf interaction, angle of ascent, etc.
[/quote]

You're kidding right?? The thread is ridiculous yet you state its "obvious" you didnt read it?

And why are you so sure that Scratch will build a better version?

Wow...
[/quote]

No, I said I couldn't read a quarter of it. I read enough that all the posts were starting to sound the same and I think I brought something new to the table. Your response is vague and clearly you didn't read my post.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

[quote name='SPY ZINGER' timestamp='1288545108' post='2767669']
Ryan Moore and his partnership was covered in depth and in great detail during the 2010 season. The media just exploited his decision to align himself with scratch and the benefits of playing their equipment. With his switch to PINGS, his statements this season now come off as being a façade. It's annoying as a consumer and reader to have been lied to. Clearly, there are better irons than Scratch for his game. An owner and staffer for Scratch just made a huge statement without saying a word by finishing T-5 with PING irons in the bag.
[/quote]

That's how I see it too.

Bottom line is Scratch set out their stall as being a high end custom product. Now I'm not disputing that they might make a great product (never tried them so can't say either way) but anyone posting in this thread must see that it cannot be a positive endoresment if Ryan thinks he can get better results with an off the shelf product than something produced by Scratch with Don White behind them.

I have read all sorts of nonsense here such as how wearing a scratch cap is all that matters, how he is carrying out R&D (do it away from TV cameras when you are a stakeholder), how it's no big deal as he is a ho. The guy was rolled out in a huge fanfare as the new face of scratch and multiple releases on how he is playing their custom clubs, so if he is such a ho then offering him a slice of a business when in practice he is likely to just commit to wedges and then undermine your offer by playing another brand that offers lots of custom options but is way cheaper is not graet business for Scratch and suspect they would get a better return through Duval

[hogans71]

[quote name='nutted' timestamp='1288545563' post='2767681']
[quote name='hogans71' timestamp='1288544873' post='2767661']
[quote name='nutted' timestamp='1288543910' post='2767648']
This thread is kind of ridiculous and obviously[b][i][u] I couldn't read even a quarter of it.[/u][/i][/b] I assume Ryan is doing some R&D and is probably wondering what the hype is with the S56. If its as good as the hype, Im sure scratch will make a better version of the S56 with all the good attributes but with custom grinds, COG placement, high quality forgings and the like.

Custom irons are about as relevant as custom bicycles. You will never be as fast as your potential unless you have a bike that fits you perfectly. Same thing with irons, since no two swings are ever the same; be it tempo, plane, turf interaction, angle of ascent, etc.
[/quote]

You're kidding right?? The thread is ridiculous yet you state its "obvious" you didnt read it?

And why are you so sure that Scratch will build a better version?

Wow...
[/quote]

No, I said I couldn't read a quarter of it. I read enough that all the posts were starting to sound the same and I think I brought something new to the table. Your response is vague and clearly you didn't read my post.
[/quote]

Look, this is not an argument. Read your OWN POST however- You state that you read LESS than a quarter of it. Seems to me that's not much of a sample size to pass judgement on whether or not a thread is "ridiculous"...

And again, why are you so sure Scratch will be better?

[Will Par]

Any player who is in the top 100 in the world knows how to hit irons. He knows his specs and he knows what shafts work best for him. He can have a set made by any company to those specs and play great golf.

So why go back to Ping? The look of the club is very important. The Ping irons may have a visual feature that fits his eye. That visual fit can make a big difference in how the clubs play for a specific player. It doesn't mean the Ping irons are better in any respect than the Scratch irons, it just means he likes the look of the Ping iron sitting behind the ball. And that look makes a big difference by giving him the confidence to hit precise shots.

[MrParr1Noid]

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