Ryan Moore with Ping irons (merged)

[albatrosser]

I'm not quite sure how any of this looks bad on Ryan. Apparently he's breaking no contractual obligations... we've heard that from the owner himself. I'm guessing the "professional" in Ryan is driving his desire to win and for whatever reason, he's making changes to put himself in a position to do so.

There's also no reason that Ryan would have to play ANYTHING other than wedges that have "Scratch" on them, whether he's an "owner" in the company or not. I'm sure Scratch would love to have a complete bag in play, but hey, they're getting more attention from his hat than they ever will from a wedge in his bag simply because Ryan makes it into pictures more often than not because of his mode of dress. Lucky for Scratch that Ryan loves his Scratch headwear.

[Jimmy Mac]

[quote name='nye503' timestamp='1288377375' post='2765277']
I hope RM wins so all the golf websites will post the WITB
[/quote]



Oooh, that would be brutal.

DATELINE: Malaysia

Headline: "Ryan Moore Returns to Ping and the Winners Circle in Malaysia"

Copy: Ryan Moore, having posted no wins since introducing painter's caps to the world at the Wyndham in 2009, and notably switching to Scratch Golf irons in the off season, wins with Ping in Malaysia. Despite his ownership position at Scratch Golf, Moore returned to the irons that he used for his last win – Ping. While he still bags Scratch wedges, Moore said ...."


Ouch.

[gators78]

[quote name='albatrosser' timestamp='1288378172' post='2765295']
I'm not quite sure how any of this looks bad on Ryan. Apparently he's breaking no contractual obligations... we've heard that from the owner himself. I'm guessing the "professional" in Ryan is driving his desire to win and for whatever reason, he's making changes to put himself in a position to do so.

There's also no reason that Ryan would have to play ANYTHING other than wedges that have "Scratch" on them, whether he's an "owner" in the company or not. I'm sure Scratch would love to have a complete bag in play, but hey, they're getting more attention from his hat than they ever will from a wedge in his bag simply because Ryan makes it into pictures more often than not because of his mode of dress. Lucky for Scratch that Ryan loves his Scratch headwear.
[/quote]

You're right, an owner (can't overuse that word enough) using another company's clubs. Just like I'm sure Bill Gates goes home and uploads songs from iTunes onto his iPad.

[oaklandgolfer]

[quote name='Jimmy Mac' timestamp='1288378499' post='2765301']

DATELINE: Malaysia

Headline: "Ryan Moore Returns to Ping and the Winners Circle in Malaysia"

Copy: Ryan Moore, having posted no wins since introducing painter's caps to the world at the Wyndham in 2009, and notably switching to Scratch Golf irons in the off season, wins with Ping in Malaysia. Despite his ownership position at Scratch Golf, Moore returned to the irons that he used for his last win – Ping. While he still bags Scratch wedges, Moore said ...."


Ouch.
[/quote]

Question for everyone out there. What would serve Scratch golf better?

1) Ryan Moore use Scratch irons and wedges and finish in 15th or 20th place...move up to 37th in the world and get another $75,000 check?
or
2) Ryan use ping irons and Scratch wedges and finish 1st....move up to 20th in the world and get a $1.5+ million dollar check?

I'd have to say the publicity on Golfwrx would be/is bad for Scratch. On a whole for the golf community that may not have heard of Scratch before; When his WITB gets posted on Golf Digest and other publications and shows the scratch bag, hat, wedges, True Linkswear golf, His clothing line, etc., that will be HUGE publicity for Scratch and RM. So while everyone here might thing RM went against his better judgment being a part owner of a company...if he wins and Scratch and RM gets more publicity.

I'd have to say that is a win/win for RM and Scratch.

[ballgolong]

Let's face it RM is not exactly the most personable of guys. I believe he did not make many friends and PING, and I suspect the same has happened at Scratch. Who knows, maybe it will be a mutual parting of ways, and Scratch will be happier. Then they can focus on David Duval...who unfortunately has a similar personality to RM.... and the whole cycle will start again,

Just my .02 cents.

[SteveJacksonJr]

Dear Mr. Moore,

Lose the tie.

All the best,
Howie

[jebb]

I keep coming back to this though.

Remember when RM went to Scratch. He was the anti-traditional guy not taking the easy big bucks of the likes of Taylor Made and the other oems. The whole argument was that he was playing Scratch because he thought that was what would help him win.

He becomes a part owner and to all intents and purposes becomes the face of Scratch Golf. And with probably unlimited resources and the best grinder in the business to call on he then goes and plays a set of Pings for this tournament.

As a player identified so closely with the brand it strikes me as terrible PR not to play the product. And for people who remember Faldo's time at Adams look how that turned out.

There could be a logical explanation for this but I can't fathom it.

[moonshine]

[i]Having an small heavily diluted interest (playing contract) with a large fortune 500 company and having an ownership stake in a small brand that is growing are two completely different things. [/i]

Maybe, but from the standpoint that RM has been very open about not being told through contracts what he can and cannot play....the man is trying to be the best he can. If it clicks, or he tried in comparison to his house brand and liked the results, then that is all it is. There would NOT be cause for speculation that he is going to ruin scratch golf. I think they were doing quite well before RM showed up.

I'm pulling for Barnes anyway!

[smgoldstein]

I find this whole thread fascinating. Curios, what previous dealings with Scratch have ended badly?

In any case outside the various forums, and other golf junkie outlets, I doubt anyone really cares if RM is playing non Scratch products. Doesn't pass the smell test though. Neither does managements nonchalant response.

[CamiloVillegasFan14]

Here are some other pics, you can clearly see that it says PING on the grip

[Pepperturbo]

Not to say this is the case, but many people use Ping grips on all their clubs because they like them.

[OneBowTie]

[quote name='CamiloVillegasFan14' timestamp='1288380178' post='2765348']
Here are some other pics, you can clearly see that it says PING on the grip
[/quote]

wow, I better get my eyes checked..... I can't clearly see anything

[MichMan123]

he looks like a factory worker.

[ssp]

[quote name='jebb' timestamp='1288379934' post='2765340']
I keep coming back to this though.

Remember when RM went to Scratch. He was the anti-traditional guy not taking the easy big bucks of the likes of Taylor Made and the other oems. The whole argument was that he was playing Scratch because he thought that was what would help him win.

He becomes a part owner and to all intents and purposes becomes the face of Scratch Golf. And with probably unlimited resources and the best grinder in the business to call on he then goes and plays a set of Pings for this tournament.

As a player identified so closely with the brand it strikes me as terrible PR not to play the product. And for people who remember Faldo's time at Adams look how that turned out.

There could be a logical explanation for this but I can't fathom it.
[/quote]

I agree. If I am Ari and DW .... I would be put off by this (no matter what the contract says). I would buy him out and send him on his way.

[MrParr1Noid]

I hope RM wins so all the golf websites will post the WITB :)

 

 

What other golf websites are there other than GolfWRX?

 

 

[moonshine]

[quote name='kgeorge78' timestamp='1288381027' post='2765368']
he looks like a factory worker.
[/quote]
Analogy? They make pretty good money from what I know about it the last 10 years.

[4rheel]

Wow, he's even using a Taylor Made glove.

[TWshoot67]

[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288325520' post='2764531']
[quote name='rymail00' timestamp='1288325113' post='2764519']
LOL!! This is just getting ridiculous. The one guy said he was going to buy a 2011 TD DW irons but now will not because someone RM is not currently playing them. Seriously??? You should play what you wan because you want to not because someone is, or is not playing them. Its just kinda funny.

I dont know I just dont see the big deal, NO ONE outside of WRX will ever know what he is playing, or not playing.

I bet next time he plays he has one of his 10 sets of Scratch irons in the bag and then this whole crisis would be forgotten. But it has been pretty funny reading how some people totally over react on such a small situation.
[/quote]

interesting...... I wonder what you comment would be if next event TW showed up with TM or Callaway irons in the bag..... small situation???? I think not
[/quote]
Your actually comparing Tiger Woods and Ryan Moore as having the same influence on Golf and what people play , You need to re think that response! seriously it would be a big deal when it's Tiger Woods...lol

[MichMan123]

[quote name='moonshine' timestamp='1288384062' post='2765427']
[quote name='kgeorge78' timestamp='1288381027' post='2765368']
he looks like a factory worker.
[/quote]
Analogy? They make pretty good money from what I know about it the last 10 years.
[/quote]

Nothing to do with money.

The plain pants, the $4 solid white collared shirt, almost looks like a uniform.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='ssp' timestamp='1288381338' post='2765374']
[quote name='jebb' timestamp='1288379934' post='2765340']
I keep coming back to this though.

Remember when RM went to Scratch. He was the anti-traditional guy not taking the easy big bucks of the likes of Taylor Made and the other oems. The whole argument was that he was playing Scratch because he thought that was what would help him win.

He becomes a part owner and to all intents and purposes becomes the face of Scratch Golf. And with probably unlimited resources and the best grinder in the business to call on he then goes and plays a set of Pings for this tournament.

As a player identified so closely with the brand it strikes me as terrible PR not to play the product. And for people who remember Faldo's time at Adams look how that turned out.

There could be a logical explanation for this but I can't fathom it.
[/quote]

I agree. If I am Ari and DW .... I would be put off by this (no matter what the contract says). I would buy him out and send him on his way.
[/quote]

Now we know why you and others on this board are not running a successful nationwide companies... You wouldn't be a wee bit sensitive and impulsive??? would ya .. we might not know it all but one things for sure, nobody goes though all the headache, financial pressures and ups and downs to start and build a successful long-term company then be put off and over react.

[OneBowTie]

[quote name='TWshoot67' timestamp='1288387980' post='2765504']
Your actually comparing Tiger Woods and Ryan Moore as having the same influence on Golf and what people play , You need to re think that response! seriously it would be a big deal when it's Tiger Woods...lol
[/quote]

I think you need to re-read my response..... then re-think your reply......

[TWshoot67]

[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288380994' post='2765367']
[quote name='CamiloVillegasFan14' timestamp='1288380178' post='2765348']
Here are some other pics, you can clearly see that it says PING on the grip
[/quote]

wow, I better get my eyes checked..... I can't clearly see anything
[/quote]
Same hear the only thing I see clear is the Sratch S on the Hat and the Taylormade T on his glove!

[TWshoot67]

[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288389436' post='2765529']


I think you need to re-read my response..... then re-think your reply......
[/quote]
So your not comparing Tiger Woods and Ryan Moore..... or did I get in the wrong thread. Why bring up Tiger and Club changes ..... Of course it would be a big deal if Tiger had said clubs in bag.Ryan Moore is a small situation compared to Tiger!

[Doublebuck]

[quote name='4rheel' timestamp='1288384559' post='2765437']
Wow, he's even using a Taylor Made glove.
[/quote]

His next set of irons will have a NUT in the back to match his woods. TM will offer him a contract to not wear their clothes unless he changes shoes.

[Fornesto]

[quote name='ScratchiT' timestamp='1288302555' post='2763921']
If anyone should have any questions regarding the recent observation of Ryan Moore not playing Scratch irons please call me directly at 248-885-6511.
[/quote]

is it something that you can't reveal here/now? if so, WHY?

[gators78]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1288389300' post='2765525']
[quote name='ssp' timestamp='1288381338' post='2765374']
[quote name='jebb' timestamp='1288379934' post='2765340']
I keep coming back to this though.

Remember when RM went to Scratch. He was the anti-traditional guy not taking the easy big bucks of the likes of Taylor Made and the other oems. The whole argument was that he was playing Scratch because he thought that was what would help him win.

He becomes a part owner and to all intents and purposes becomes the face of Scratch Golf. And with probably unlimited resources and the best grinder in the business to call on he then goes and plays a set of Pings for this tournament.

As a player identified so closely with the brand it strikes me as terrible PR not to play the product. And for people who remember Faldo's time at Adams look how that turned out.

There could be a logical explanation for this but I can't fathom it.
[/quote]

I agree. If I am Ari and DW .... I would be put off by this (no matter what the contract says). I would buy him out and send him on his way.
[/quote]

Now we know why you and others on this board are not running a successful nationwide companies... You wouldn't be a wee bit sensitive and impulsive??? would ya .. we might not know it all but one things for sure, nobody goes though all the headache, financial pressures and ups and downs to start and build a successful long-term company then be put off and over react.
[/quote]


Are you on the Scratch payroll?

[OneBowTie]

[quote name='TWshoot67' timestamp='1288391166' post='2765565']
[quote name='OneBowTie' timestamp='1288389436' post='2765529']
I think you need to re-read my response..... then re-think your reply......
[/quote]
So your not comparing Tiger Woods and Ryan Moore..... or did I get in the wrong thread. Why bring up Tiger and Club changes ..... Of course it would be a big deal if Tiger had said clubs in bag.Ryan Moore is a small situation compared to Tiger!
[/quote]

Oh no you read but did not comprehend what or why I used TW...... again, before you reply to someone about what they wrote, perhaps you should read and understand the context of the post...... anyway, this thread aint about TW, in case you don't understand that.....

just to help you out.... if you actually go back and read the post you first quoted me on and made your post.... I said to the person I was responding too..... that I didn't think he would say a contracted golfer tied to a company....IE TW using callaway or TM would be a small deal..... to the contrary, I was implying that he would be all over it and think it was a big deal.....

[Bubbalongball]

Just goes to shows him playing ping stuff and having ties with scratch golf that a spoiled rich kid can do whatever he wants and doesnt care that he is making a good company like scratch look bad. 2 thumbs down, dont blame the gear blame the swing. Moore:bigwhack:

[OneBowTie]

[quote name='gators77' timestamp='1288393338' post='2765598']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1288389300' post='2765525']
[quote name='ssp' timestamp='1288381338' post='2765374']
[quote name='jebb' timestamp='1288379934' post='2765340']
I keep coming back to this though.

Remember when RM went to Scratch. He was the anti-traditional guy not taking the easy big bucks of the likes of Taylor Made and the other oems. The whole argument was that he was playing Scratch because he thought that was what would help him win.

He becomes a part owner and to all intents and purposes becomes the face of Scratch Golf. And with probably unlimited resources and the best grinder in the business to call on he then goes and plays a set of Pings for this tournament.

As a player identified so closely with the brand it strikes me as terrible PR not to play the product. And for people who remember Faldo's time at Adams look how that turned out.

There could be a logical explanation for this but I can't fathom it.
[/quote]

I agree. If I am Ari and DW .... I would be put off by this (no matter what the contract says). I would buy him out and send him on his way.
[/quote]

Now we know why you and others on this board are not running a successful nationwide companies... You wouldn't be a wee bit sensitive and impulsive??? would ya .. we might not know it all but one things for sure,[color="#FF0000"] nobody goes though all the headache, financial pressures and ups and downs to start and build a successful long-term company then be put off and over react.
[/quote][/color]


Are you on the Scratch payroll?
[/quote]



Really now..... so the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers wasn't put off and over react with his open letter the night Lebron left town?????

Hate to tell you Pepper..... but it happens all the time from company PRESIDENTS/CEO'S .... they are human and tend to have knee jerk reactions all the time......

[EastPhillyReppin]

[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1288393191' post='2765595']
[quote name='ScratchiT' timestamp='1288302555' post='2763921']
If anyone should have any questions regarding the recent observation of Ryan Moore not playing Scratch irons please call me directly at 248-885-6511.
[/quote]

is it something that you can't reveal here/now? if so, WHY?
[/quote]

No. I could post it. Is there a reason you can't call me? I just want to be up front with people and not hide behind GolfWRX.