SuperDeep ~ How skilled to use it?

[MG 1977]

I'm seriously considering getting a SuperDeep but not sure if I have the Club head speed and skills to use it. I play off 6 and swing around the 105mph mark. I have used FT3, 5 & 9 Tour's, FT Tour, Burner 07 TP, TBTP, Titleist 909D2/D3, etc without any problems. How does the SD compare to these? I'm a high ball hitter but believe the SD is VERY low spin? Should I go upto 10.5? Normally use a 8.5 or 9.5.

 

As for the shaft what does the RIP play like? I've used WB73 S, BB73 X, Matrix Xcon 7 x-flex, V2 in Stiff, all ok.

[Relaxxx]

[quote name='MG 1977' timestamp='1294689161' post='2887050']
I'm seriously considering getting a SuperDeep but not sure if I have the Club head speed and skills to use it. I play off 6 and swing around the 105mph mark. I have used FT3, 5 & 9 Tour's, FT Tour, Burner 07 TP, TBTP, Titleist 909D2/D3, etc without any problems. How does the SD compare to these? I'm a high ball hitter but believe the SD is VERY low spin? Should I go upto 10.5? Normally use a 8.5 or 9.5.

As for the shaft what does the RIP play like? I've used WB73 S, BB73 X, Matrix Xcon 7 x-flex, V2 in Stiff, all ok.
[/quote]

Well, the ability required to use the SD is entirely dependent on how well you normally hit your driver. I know several high handicaps that can hit it successfully with consistency.

Is it low spin? As a general rule, yes. It depends more on the shaft. You SHOULD find that it launches and spins lower than the 909 D3 by a decent amount given the same shafts are used. Our of the ones you mentioned, the D3 should be the lowest launching and spinning, so the SD is lower than all of those.

Should you go up in loft? Depends. Do you like your current flight? If so, I MIGHT go up a degree. If you want it a bit lower, than get the same loft you currently have.

Personally, I found the RIP to be very whippy. From what I have found, it doesn't agree with heavy loading swings with quick tempos. I've only tried the Red eyes Alpha RIP. I'd put the same shaft you have in your favorite gamer in the SD and let the head characteristics take care of lowering the launch and spin.

[storm]

[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294689713' post='2887069']
[quote name='MG 1977' timestamp='1294689161' post='2887050']
I'm seriously considering getting a SuperDeep but not sure if I have the Club head speed and skills to use it. I play off 6 and swing around the 105mph mark. I have used FT3, 5 & 9 Tour's, FT Tour, Burner 07 TP, TBTP, Titleist 909D2/D3, etc without any problems. How does the SD compare to these? I'm a high ball hitter but believe the SD is VERY low spin? Should I go upto 10.5? Normally use a 8.5 or 9.5.

As for the shaft what does the RIP play like? I've used WB73 S, BB73 X, Matrix Xcon 7 x-flex, V2 in Stiff, all ok.
[/quote]

Well, the ability required to use the SD is entirely dependent on how well you normally hit your driver. I know several high handicaps that can hit it successfully with consistency.

Is it low spin? As a general rule, yes. It depends more on the shaft. You SHOULD find that it launches and spins lower than the 909 D3 by a decent amount given the same shafts are used. Our of the ones you mentioned, the D3 should be the lowest launching and spinning, so the SD is lower than all of those.

Should you go up in loft? Depends. Do you like your current flight? If so, I MIGHT go up a degree. If you want it a bit lower, than get the same loft you currently have.

Personally, I found the RIP to be very whippy. From what I have found, it doesn't agree with heavy loading swings with quick tempos. I've only tried the Red eyes Alpha RIP. I'd put the same shaft you have in your favorite gamer in the SD and let the head characteristics take care of lowering the launch and spin.
[/quote]

I think its more about how consistent your swing is as opposed to skilled. If you are consistently in the middle of the face, no problem. I have a 70g RIP S in a 909 and i do find it to be fairly firm. Its not a shaft you can rip at, you have to swing smooth. My PLR in my G10 I could rip at with good results, it seems like with the RIP you really need to have good tempo, and when you do...WOW. I really like mine thus far. As for how it is in the SD, i have no idea

[Hokie2k5]

I agree with what the other people have said. It's not how fast you swing by how consistently you hit the sweet spot. I played a the SD for a bit and while I liked it, I just wanted something more forgiving. It's a great looking club and when you hit it nothing else comes close distance wise. I actually didn't notice too much of distance loss on off-center hits but it was just a complete loss of feel when you missed the sweet spot.

I think the SD can be made easier to hit by getting away from the RIP shaft too.

[Sniperman]

Consistency and having the right shaft combo makes the Superdeep the undisputed king of distance! I have played the TM Supertri (Fuji Speeder), Cally FT-iZ (w/ WB 73) and 910 D3 (in 3 different shafts: Kai'li, Ahina, PX) and none of them came close! I continue to carry the SD with Fuji Spdr VC6.0 and TM R11 is next in line to challenge the SD.

As for your question re: how the RIP or which shaft it plays similar to, I would put it closest to the V2 - boardy (IMO).

[MG 1977]

[quote name='Hokie2k5' timestamp='1294693550' post='2887229']
I agree with what the other people have said. It's not how fast you swing by how consistently you hit the sweet spot. I played a the SD for a bit and while I liked it, I just wanted something more forgiving. It's a great looking club and when you hit it nothing else comes close distance wise. I actually didn't notice too much of distance loss on off-center hits but it was just a complete loss of feel when you missed the sweet spot.

I think the SD can be made easier to hit by getting away from the RIP shaft too.
[/quote]


Thanks for the replies.

This is what I'm thinking. I have a Fubuki 63 in stiff flex, I'm thinking it'll work nice in the SuperDeep and the RIP I get with a SuperDeep should reduce the spin if I manage to pick up a SuperTri head as well so I can switch between the two.

[Craig A]

I think the it's all bs that the SuperDeep is hard to hit . The shaft makes all the difference .I couldn't hit the RIP and I crush the HD6. I think more than any club Driver shaft fitting is crucial.

[jgc9512ss]

I liked my Superdeep a lot, it just punished me on days I was off (everyday). I've just found a more forgiving option that is just as long and more accurate. I have a 100-105 SS.

[cmilz99]

I found, along with the others, that the Superdeep is pretty much the king of distance if you can hit the sweetspot consistantly. Also, I have found, along with many others, that moving away from the RIP stock shaft seems to make the club more forgiving.

[MG 1977]

Decided to go and demo it tomorrow. Does the SD count as a current driver? Will the price of them new, come down in Febuary with the release of the R11?

[generalpatton]

I game the Superdeep and I'm not the best ballstriker with the driver. My swingspeed is in the 105 mph range and I'm hitting a 10.5* with stock RIP S flex. I know it's supposedly a low spin driver but I don't hit mine much lower than other more forgiving drivers. I'm on the fence about the RIP shaft - most days I like it, other days it feels a bit boardy to me. I plan to play around with shafts this year, which is easy to do with TM adapter.

Deals can be had on the Superdeep - I picked mine up from Tim the putterman on ebay for about $225 several months ago.

[Puppetmaster]

I had a Superdeep last season and still think once in a while about picking another one to mess around with. I loved the sound and feel, and the bombs I'd hit with it. But I just don't play and practice enuogh to be gaming it, so I went to something more forgiving. Anyway, here are some thoughts I had on the SD.

It isn't just for high spin, high SS players, to an extent, because lower SS players need a certain combination of ball speed and spin to optimize distance. Given the correct shaft bend profile, flex, and loft to match your angle of attack, swing speed, launch angle, etc. I think you can make the Superdeep work. The Superdeep head doesn't launch low at all, it is still a mid launch head, but the ball flight is very flat, so if you don't have enough spin on the ball for your ball speed, it will just fall out of the air and you'll lose distance. This is where the correct shaft and loft come into play.

In terms of forgiveness, I agree with most here that it isn't the most forgiving driver, both in terms of off center hits and dispersion. Off center hits are definitely penalized, obviously because it is smaller heel to toe and the weight isn't distributed as much heel to toe. In terms of dispersion, in my experience, directional misses seemed to be slightly amplified relative to the Supertri. Based on the little I know of golf ball physics, aerodynamics and vectors, I'm guessing the deeper face of the SD reduces backspin, but that leaves the sidespin component more susceptible to dominating, resulting in greater curvature of the ball on a bad swing than if you had a driver like the Supertri which has more backspin. This is probably also why it is more workable, because it's easier to put sidespin on the ball. I'm butchering explaining my theory, but in essence, it is the same reason why short irons are easier to hit straight than long irons - the backspin component dominates the sidespin. My apologies to all the aerodynamics engineers for that crude explanation.

Finally, when it comes to golf, I have a scale that on one end is Fun and the other end is Scoring/Competition. If you care only about Scoring/Competition, then I think no matter how good you are, this may not be the best choice, because there may be times you'll struggle with it and the forgiveness (or lackthereof) will bite you in the behind. If you're on the other end, where you're out to have fun, this is a fun club to have in your bag for sure, because you will hit some bombs with it. If you're kind of in the middle, it can still work of course, especially if you play wide open courses where you can just rip it. Anywhere in between, you'll just have to figure out if you can hit the ball consistently enough to game it, if it suits your swing, if you like the way it looks and feels, etc etc. This is just my one cent, of course.

Sorry for the long response... waiting for my caffeine to kick in...

[shepdog]

If your misses with the driver are up and down the face, the SD is a mid launch, low spin monster. If your misses are more from heel to toe, then I think there are better options for you. When you nut one with the SD it is really long and lots of fun to hit, even at slower swingspeeds. My VR tour is just as long but gives me a little more forgiveness. And do yourself a favor and try one of the Project X shafts. I have been pretty happy with the results I get with mine.

[golfdog1955]

Golf is a funny game the last poster loves his Vr Tour and I hated mine. It isnt even close between the Vr and the SD for me, the SD is a good option in the current market of drivers to play so is the VR . Since I am a recovering shaft ho, I have tried several different options with the SD, the RIP the HD6, the Miyazaki black, Project X etc. I concur with those who think if you like the look of a head then find the shaft that works for you and it will be the one. All the top line drivers(and then some) can be killers, the best, the farthest, the most forgiving, etc if they look good to the eye and are properly supplied with the right shaft. end of sermon

[MG 1977]

[quote name='shepdog' timestamp='1294760161' post='2888800']
If your misses with the driver are up and down the face, the SD is a mid launch, low spin monster. If your misses are more from heel to toe, then I think there are better options for you. When you nut one with the SD it is really long and lots of fun to hit, even at slower swingspeeds. My VR tour is just as long but gives me a little more forgiveness. And do yourself a favor and try one of the Project X shafts. I have been pretty happy with the results I get with mine.
[/quote]

Didn't get to demo one today. Will probablly have to wait until weekend now.

I tend to get it pretty much out of the middle most of the time, low on the face every now and then but in genral pretty central. When I struggle it's because I close the face to much getting a big draw or hook from time to time. Open face and toe weighting should help me out with my miss.

[FATC1TY]

SD doesnt like low on the face misses.

Thats my miss, and whoooooooo... that goes no where!

[MG 1977]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1294797474' post='2890069']
SD doesnt like low on the face misses.

Thats my miss, and whoooooooo... that goes no where!
[/quote]

I'll find out for myself this weekend or early next week! Just pulled the trigger on a SD with Epic 75s, should be a nice combo but if not I've also picked up a ST TP with Voodoo SVS6 so should be able to mix and match to find something which suits!

[Disco Stu]

[quote name='Craig A' timestamp='1294701110' post='2887549']
I think the it's all bs that the SuperDeep is hard to hit . The shaft makes all the difference .I couldn't hit the RIP and I crush the HD6. I think more than any club Driver shaft fitting is crucial.
[/quote]

I currently have the RIP in mine, but I'm thinking of trying the HD6 or Motore F1. How did your ball flight change when you switched to the HD6?

[MG 1977]

I'm hopeing they are delivered in the morning! I'm playing at 1100 and have two comp's over the weekend, hopefully at least one of them will arrive in time!

[BlackSpiderman]

I`m pretty sure that you will have no difficulty with the Superdeep.
I have a Superdeep and a SuperTri, both are great drivers and easy to hit.
The Superdeep seems to run out better and results in greater yardage during the summer.
The RIP shaft is OK but not a favourite of mine, but the beauty of the R9 is that it is so easy to try out different shafts until you find your `right` one.

[Puppetmaster]

[quote name='BlackSpiderman' timestamp='1294941468' post='2894106']
The RIP shaft is OK but not a favourite of mine, but the beauty of the R9 is that it is so easy to try out different shafts until you find your `right` one.
[/quote]


TOO easy... I think I went through about nine in total.

[CVGolfer]

Picked up a new SD 9.5* with RIP recently trying to knock my trusty 8.5* R580XD TP out of the bag. Have hit the SD only once at the range due to the weather but I must say that I like it so far, it flattens out for me where the 580 doesn't. Looking forward to getting it out on the course.

Some of the posts I have been reading about how the SD is hard to hit had me concerned but I comfortable with how easy it was, no harder to hit than the 580. My typical miss is up and down the face so I think I will be OK.

One thing I did notice when comparing the two clubs was that the SD sweetspot is a little closer to the heel than the 580, something I am not used to.

[MG 1977]

[quote name='Puppetmaster' timestamp='1294941592' post='2894113']
[quote name='BlackSpiderman' timestamp='1294941468' post='2894106']
The RIP shaft is OK but not a favourite of mine, but the beauty of the R9 is that it is so easy to try out different shafts until you find your `right` one.
[/quote]


TOO easy... I think I went through about nine in total.


[/quote]

So what turned out to be the right one's for you guys?

[Puppetmaster]

[quote name='MG 1977' timestamp='1294943064' post='2894171']
[quote name='Puppetmaster' timestamp='1294941592' post='2894113']
[quote name='BlackSpiderman' timestamp='1294941468' post='2894106']
The RIP shaft is OK but not a favourite of mine, but the beauty of the R9 is that it is so easy to try out different shafts until you find your `right` one.
[/quote]

TOO easy... I think I went through about nine in total.
[/quote]

So what turned out to be the right one's for you guys?
[/quote]


I decided on an Accra Tour Proto 65 with my 9.5* SD, with a Matrix Ozik F7M2 a close second. That is until the Superfast TP. I might still get another SD for the coming season to mess with though.

[BlackSpiderman]

Matrix Xcon 5 is the shaft I always seem to go back to.
I have `collected` quite a few.
I have a F6M2 inbound to try.

[Sniperman]

Fujikura Speeder VC 6.0!

The VC line is one of the BEST shafts currently available that provide the tightest shot dispersion.

[Puppetmaster]

[quote name='BlackSpiderman' timestamp='1294945683' post='2894292']
Matrix Xcon 5 is the shaft I always seem to go back to.
I have `collected` quite a few.
I have a F6M2 inbound to try.
[/quote]

The X-Con 6 in another head spun too much for me, but the M2 profile seems to suit me well. I've owned two F7M2s and one HM2. Hope that F6M2 works out for you, it's a really smooth shaft.

[vix02]

I've gone through 2 SD's ( all different lofts ) and finally settled on a 10.5* SD. It is a beauty. My AoA is too steep but it's likely not going to improve much. With a higher lofted head and low launch shaft ( WB 73X )...It is the ultimate bomber

Everyone that said "if you missed are up and down", the SD will be fine are SO right on the money....With Left\Right misses....your F'ed with the SD

[emo]

[quote name='Sniperman' timestamp='1294946376' post='2894322']
Fujikura Speeder VC 6.0!

The VC line is one of the BEST shafts currently available that provide the tightest shot dispersion.
[/quote]


i have this shaft in a tour supertri stiff tipped .5 , 44.5 its money . i would like to try it in a superdeep head

[idriveahonda]

Like many of the others have said.

One thing you really must have control over with the SuperDeep, is center of face contact. That, and when I had mine, the RIP was a terrible shaft in the head. I also tossed my Fubuki 63 in it as well...and it just didn't feel right.

Truly a head that needs the right shaft for each individual, and is by no means forgiving.