BST Users Who Don't Leave Feedback!!

[coffee-cup]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1323231685' post='3903359']

So before this turns into a morals and logic debate... why don't you just take a couple seconds and leave feedback? Too time consuming? You just feel like being difficult about it? Do you give feedback on eBay in return?
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I do leave feedback.

But making a thread whining that you aren't getting feedback is stupid. If it was mandatory then he would have a point. It's purely optional.

[FATC1TY]

Feedback is apparently so unimportant to him, he has to quote his eBay sales record, feedback and all.

Feedback isn't mandatory on eBay, but it sure does make a difference there, doesn't it?

[nfinch10]

[quote name='coffee-cup' timestamp='1323226461' post='3902921']
[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1323226047' post='3902883']
[quote name='coffee-cup' timestamp='1323225767' post='3902849']
You are overreacting. Feedback is not a big deal at all.

Nobody owes anybody anything. It's a business deal. Nothing more, nothing less.
[/quote]

Really, so letting the community know about how a person conducts themselves in a deal means nothing to you? I'm more comfortable dealing with someone that deals consistently and satisfactorily for people.
[/quote]

Yes, that's what i said. If it was such a big deal, then it would be mandatory. Like I said I dont owe anybody anything.
[/quote]

This is the attitude that leads to so many problems in this country. Just because something isn't "mandatory" doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. One of things that makes this site so great is how everyone looks out for each other. With all the fakes and shady deals going on, feedback is really helpful in preventing these things.

Having only bought items, my practice now is to let the seller know I got the item, thank them, and let them know I left positive feedback. To me, this should be a subtle hint/reminder to do the same back, but my last few transactions the hint wasn't recieved.

With that being said...When I first started using the bst I was unaware of the proper etiquette and unsure of how to use the feedback system. I know there a few sellers out there whom I forgot to leave feedback for. Question to the group: Is it ever too late to leave feedback? If so, how late is too late? I can always try to make things right.

[coffee-cup]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323232818' post='3903431']
Feedback is apparently so unimportant to him, he has to quote his eBay sales record, feedback and all.

Feedback isn't mandatory on eBay, but it sure does make a difference there, doesn't it?
[/quote]

Yes, I realize reading comprehension is hard for some people. Now since you missed it the first time then i will repeat....I do leave feedback.

Even though I leave it, I don't care if somebody else doesn't leave it because they don't have to. It's whatever floats their boat.

[jj9000]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323232818' post='3903431']
Feedback is apparently so unimportant to him, he has to quote his eBay sales record, feedback and all.

Feedback isn't mandatory on eBay, but it sure does make a difference there, doesn't it?
[/quote]

So, it's clear that you and coffee-cup have differing opinions relative to the importance of GolfWRX Feedback and most likely won't be entering into a Transaction anytime soon. I agree with you FATC1TY that it's a very easy step to leave Feedback, but, it's an extra step.

Now, to many of the posters in this thread (including myself), that extra step is very meaningful because Feedback serves an important function in a faceless electronic transaction.

But, I can see the other side as well. Once the transaction is complete, for some, the deal is done and requires no extra "work". Perhaps they see it as being parallel to a Comment Card in a local restaurant delivered with or after the check is dropped off at the table (of which I'm as guilty as the next for not filling out)? It's an extra step.

I also agree that it's very frustrating to nicely ask someone to evaluate the transaction by leaving Feedback and get no response.

nfinch10 - There is no time limit for Feedback, so, you're good to add if you need to.

[FATC1TY]

[quote name='coffee-cup' timestamp='1323233466' post='3903465']
[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323232818' post='3903431']
Feedback is apparently so unimportant to him, he has to quote his eBay sales record, feedback and all.

Feedback isn't mandatory on eBay, but it sure does make a difference there, doesn't it?
[/quote]

Yes, I realize reading comprehension is hard for some people. Now since you missed it the first time then i will repeat....I do leave feedback.

Even though I leave it, I don't care if somebody else doesn't leave it because they don't have to. It's whatever floats their boat.
[/quote]

I can read, can you?

I saw where you said you leave feedback, but did you see my question?

You tout your 600 "flawless transactions, with 100% feedback."

By your logic, what if they didn't leave any? No one would know your worth as a seller/buyer, and it wouldnt be worth you mentioning in the firs place now would it?

[coffee-cup]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323233994' post='3903495']
[quote name='coffee-cup' timestamp='1323233466' post='3903465']
[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323232818' post='3903431']
Feedback is apparently so unimportant to him, he has to quote his eBay sales record, feedback and all.

Feedback isn't mandatory on eBay, but it sure does make a difference there, doesn't it?
[/quote]

Yes, I realize reading comprehension is hard for some people. Now since you missed it the first time then i will repeat....I do leave feedback.

Even though I leave it, I don't care if somebody else doesn't leave it because they don't have to. It's whatever floats their boat.
[/quote]

I can read, can you?

I saw where you said you leave feedback, but did you see my question?

You tout your 600 "flawless transactions, with 100% feedback."

By your logic, what if they didn't leave any? No one would know your worth as a seller/buyer, and it wouldnt be worth you mentioning in the firs place now would it?
[/quote]

Of course I would purchase from somebody with no feedback on here or on ebay. Everybody has to get start from somewhere.

Also I mentioned my ebay transactions to prove a point to that other guy. If I was tooting my horn, then I would also be the one in this thread demanding feedback. But that's not me. I've got bigger issues to deal with.

[fccgolfer]

I ALWAYS request feedback. whether they are the buyer or seller. i have worked hard to keep my name personally clean, and that translates into ebay and golfwrx. ive had one bad feedback on golfwrx from a dude that didnt read the email i sent him that said "your club shipped and ill be away and without cell reception for the weekend. so dont email me". feedback is important. i just hit 40 on here and i couldnt be happier!

[idrive]

I didn't think the last person I dealt with on here was going to leave feedback... so I PM'd him and asked if he would because I was superstitious and was stuck
on 13...... If everyone I've dealt with here had left feedback I'd have almost twice as many transactions.

And yes, it's much easier to pull the trigger with someone that has a bunch of positive feedback than the kid with none that's selling his dads stuff without him knowing it......

[scjr]

[quote name='coffee-cup' timestamp='1323231117' post='3903299']
I have over 600 flawless transactions on my ebay account. All 100% feedback. Deal with whoever you want to.

Look the fact of the matter is that feedback in not mandatory.
[/quote]
It's not mandatory on eBay and you take the time to leave it on eBay.

I agree with the OP. Feedback serves a purpose on these forums. It takes a minute to leave it. Just like on eBay.

[Hateto3Putt]

[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1323232055' post='3903383']
[b]I also don't understand the logic behind not leaving feedback as a seller until the buyer does. To me, that's flawed and you're holding feedback ransom. The buyer's part of the transaction is over upon their payment.[/b] If they've paid you promptly, then there's no reason not to leave them feedback upon their payment. I always make it a point to leave it as soon as I get a notification that a payment has been made as long as I can access the site (sometimes I can't at work, they block it for a while, then I have to report it and then they unblock it again).
[/quote]

I couldn't agree more!

[french bum]

I do more buying then selling, mostly on eBay because I don't have enough posts to sell here, but here's my thoughts from a buyers perspective:
I'll leave feedback for a seller as long as they leave feedback first. I feel that I held up my end of the bargain first so when my part of the deal is done then the buyer should leave feedback for me. As long as they leave feedback first it's only common courtesy to return the favor because that's what it is, a favor. Nothing mandatory.

[BuckyBadger]

[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1323232055' post='3903383']
I also don't understand the logic behind not leaving feedback as a seller until the buyer does. To me, that's flawed and you're holding feedback ransom. The buyer's part of the transaction is over upon their payment. If they've paid you promptly, then there's no reason not to leave them feedback upon their payment. I always make it a point to leave it as soon as I get a notification that a payment has been made as long as I can access the site (sometimes I can't at work, they block it for a while, then I have to report it and then they unblock it again).
[/quote]

I understand your point of view, but to me the transaction isn't completed until the buyer leaves the seller a feedback saying everything is satisfactory.

What if you leave the buyer a nice feedback when you get paid. The buyer gets his item and starts being a Jack wagon saying the item isn't as described and he wants a partial refund or something else along those lines. You know he is not a good person but you've already left a positive feedback for him and the transaction really isn't very positive.

Someone has to leave feedback first in the transaction. It just makes more sense to me if the buyer does it since he is the customer and the transaction is complete when he is satisfied. I always leave feedback once I receive one.

[potuna]

[quote name='BuckyBadger' timestamp='1323267184' post='3904491']
[quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1323232055' post='3903383']
I also don't understand the logic behind not leaving feedback as a seller until the buyer does. To me, that's flawed and you're holding feedback ransom. The buyer's part of the transaction is over upon their payment. If they've paid you promptly, then there's no reason not to leave them feedback upon their payment. I always make it a point to leave it as soon as I get a notification that a payment has been made as long as I can access the site (sometimes I can't at work, they block it for a while, then I have to report it and then they unblock it again).
[/quote]

I understand your point of view, but to me the transaction isn't completed until the buyer leaves the seller a feedback saying everything is satisfactory.

What if you leave the buyer a nice feedback when you get paid. The buyer gets his item and starts being a Jack wagon saying the item isn't as described and he wants a partial refund or something else along those lines. You know he is not a good person but you've already left a positive feedback for him and the transaction really isn't very positive.

Someone has to leave feedback first in the transaction. It just makes more sense to me if the buyer does it since he is the customer and the transaction is complete when he is satisfied. I always leave feedback once I receive one.
[/quote]

I agree with all of the above, seems like some people are just too lazy, lame, whatever. The last deal I did the guy won't even respond that he got the item.

[Doc Mcstuffins]

I just think most people can't be bothered. As a long time Ebay seller I can tell you that in 10 years, only 60% or so of people left any type of feedback. The ones that did either did so because they were either overly joyed with the purchase (great price + quick shipping), or because they were disgruntled. The run of the mill average transactions didn't seem to give buyers much motivation to leave any feedback.

Now with the BST, I do think it is an extra step. At least for me it is. I've sold maybe 10 items and only received feedback for 5 of them...that's 50% for all you math wizards. The extra step for me as a seller is I have to go through all of my PM's to figure out who the person was that purchased the item. I usually get about 5-10 responses per item. Some say they will pay and never do. Then I have to figure out who actually paid, what their user id is, and then I have to copy and paste that into the feedback box. It's just not as automated as Ebay is where there is a "Leave feedback" button right there on the sales page. I don't mind going through the extra steps, but I can see where some people "just can't be bothered".

[tjumper78]

those people who dont leave feedbacks will be so fast to leave negative feedbacks if they are not happy with the transactions.

[4dr.no]

I always leave a feedback as a buyer or seller.

Regardless, at least this site has that feature. Other boards don't have it and I know of people who've been burned.

<== my 3 should be more like 6, but who's counting!

[Boogs2]

I always leave feedback ever since i started swapping, buying, selling on the bst here. I try and make sure that the item was delivered and satisfactory to the buyer and then when I get a response, I will leave feedback. I'm with Badger in that I will usually wait until the buyer leaves feedback to make sure that everything is satsifactory so I do not get burned down the road after leaving positive feedback only to have the buyer say something was wrong with the item, blah blah blah. Even though it would be nice to have feedback mandatory, i know that is asking a lot from the mods and they already do a lot as it is. But feedback is important as it states whether previous transactions with seller/buyer have been positive or if they're one of the "hey, there's a dust particle on the crown so I want 50% of my money back or a refund" types. All of my transactions have been great here and majority of the people who do transactions on the bst are great. Even though it is an extra step, I think that extra step is paramount in keeping fraud and other negative aspects of buying/selling on the bst to a minimum.

just my 2 cents

[JJGold]

I've sold 130 items on eBay in the past 30 days and have only received 46. I find it frustrating. Items exactly as described, same day shipping, securely and professionally packed, a note after the sale, a note in with the shipping and still a poor (imo) ratio of feedback to sales.

[bps259]

Wow didn't even realize it was an option to leave feedback but I certainly will start doing it

[Splitter]

Thanks for the reminder. I owe someone feedback!

From another POV..

I've taken the "easy way out" and not left feedback when the seller probably deserved a neutral. The packing job sucked, the description wasn't complete, the product wasn't quite what I was expecting, etc.. Nothing worth making a big deal about but also nothing that I want to put my "stamp" on with a + feedback. I save that for people I would recommend and buy from again. For me a Neutral feedback isn't worth the PITA and bad feelings it would cause for a bad packing job or a few scratches.

I'd bet a decent % of the people who don't get enough feedback as sellers fall into this category. Not saying they're on this thread (and we all have different versions of what deserves neutral/positive), just pointing something out that's worth a thought.

[hebron1427]

to everyone for whom i've forgotten to leave feedback, i really apologize. i've done it for a bunch of the transactions, but sometimes i have three deals going at once, multiple emails/offers, keeping track of work stuff, and, quite frankly, it's not as easy as ebay where you say "i need to review this transaction." here, i have to look up who the buyer/seller was, copy their screen name, than go in and manually leave it. i've been trying to keep it closer lately, but it's not easy.

please forgive me.

[stage1350]

I'd be more concerned if feedback was correct. However, I read at least one thread a week where member XXX screwed over member YYY. YYY never wants to out who XXX is and if XXX fixes the problem, YYY will not leave negative feedback.

If you have a problem with a transaction, you need to document the negative. Otherwise, it will all get swallowed up with volume and feedback score is simply a strokefest because the bad transactions are not listed.

[FATC1TY]

[quote name='tjumper78' timestamp='1323272246' post='3904891']
those people who dont leave feedbacks will be so fast to leave negative feedbacks if they are not happy with the transactions.
[/quote]

Yeah, or complain about a deal on the board... Or ask if something is real.. Or low ball the snot out of ya...

[FATC1TY]

[quote name='Splitter' timestamp='1323289524' post='3906609']
Thanks for the reminder. I owe someone feedback!

From another POV..

I've taken the "easy way out" and not left feedback when the seller probably deserved a neutral. The packing job sucked, the description wasn't complete, the product wasn't quite what I was expecting, etc.. Nothing worth making a big deal about but also nothing that I want to put my "stamp" on with a + feedback. I save that for people I would recommend and buy from again. For me a Neutral feedback isn't worth the PITA and bad feelings it would cause for a bad packing job or a few scratches.

I'd bet a decent % of the people who don't get enough feedback as sellers fall into this category. Not saying they're on this thread (and we all have different versions of what deserves neutral/positive), just pointing something out that's worth a thought.
[/quote]

Good points. I think "neutral" could be construed as "bad" anyways. I've had things go one that left me going, "ehhhhh", but not worth it to blow up over and cause a issue.

However, I have taken to the idea of when I complete a transaction, continuing to make sure the other party is happy when I sell something or buy something, and that they got it okay, etc. I will ask that they leave feedback and I will do the same.

After say... 2 weeks of no feedback, I'll edit my feedback and make it neutral. That way, it's honest. Decent transaction, nothing to worry about, but it was exactly "awesome".

I wonder how many people would complain about that? Probably the ones who don't leave feedback, but soon find out that with the crap that goes on, maybe people will start to discriminate on those with little to no feedback, or forum presence.

[jj9000]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323305325' post='3907815']
[quote name='Splitter' timestamp='1323289524' post='3906609']
Thanks for the reminder. I owe someone feedback!

[/quote]

Good points. I think "neutral" could be construed as "bad" anyways. I've had things go one that left me going, "ehhhhh", but not worth it to blow up over and cause a issue.

However, I have taken to the idea of when I complete a transaction, [b]continuing to make sure the other party is happy[/b] when I sell something or buy something, and that they got it okay, etc. I will ask that they leave feedback and I will do the same.

[b]After say... 2 weeks of no feedback, I'll edit my feedback and make it neutral. [/b]That way, it's honest. Decent transaction, nothing to worry about, but it was exactly "awesome".

I wonder how many people would complain about that? Probably the ones who don't leave feedback, but soon find out that with the crap that goes on, maybe people will start to discriminate on those with little to no feedback, or forum presence.
[/quote]

You have to look at the Transaction from both all sides. While I agree with you in principle and I always leave Feedback, that doesn't require anyone to leave Feedback for me.

We enter into Transactions for hard goods and hard goods only on this site. So, once the buyer has paid and lived up to his/her end of the deal, and the seller has ensured/confirmed the goods were delivered as expected (barring a dispute), the Transaction is over.

It's not a requirement to leave Feedback on this site and not everyone shares your view of "continuing to make sure the other party is happy" (although I wish they would).

In my opinion, penalizing someone by changing your Feedback well after the Transaction has been completed is unwarranted and will end up hurting you in the end. Please keep in mind that your actions will not be well received by the person that you've just dinged with Neutral Feedback. Especially if the Neutral is given for lack of giving Feedback.

I can foresee a cycle of retaliation...post-Transaction over Feedback and not the Transaction itself.

[FATC1TY]

[quote name='jj9000' timestamp='1323307376' post='3907989']
[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1323305325' post='3907815']
[quote name='Splitter' timestamp='1323289524' post='3906609']
Thanks for the reminder. I owe someone feedback!

[/quote]

Good points. I think "neutral" could be construed as "bad" anyways. I've had things go one that left me going, "ehhhhh", but not worth it to blow up over and cause a issue.

However, I have taken to the idea of when I complete a transaction, [b]continuing to make sure the other party is happy[/b] when I sell something or buy something, and that they got it okay, etc. I will ask that they leave feedback and I will do the same.

[b]After say... 2 weeks of no feedback, I'll edit my feedback and make it neutral. [/b]That way, it's honest. Decent transaction, nothing to worry about, but it was exactly "awesome".

I wonder how many people would complain about that? Probably the ones who don't leave feedback, but soon find out that with the crap that goes on, maybe people will start to discriminate on those with little to no feedback, or forum presence.
[/quote]

You have to look at the Transaction from both all sides. While I agree with you in principle and I always leave Feedback, that doesn't require anyone to leave Feedback for me.

We enter into Transactions for hard goods and hard goods only on this site. So, once the buyer has paid and lived up to his/her end of the deal, and the seller has ensured/confirmed the goods were delivered as expected (barring a dispute), the Transaction is over.

It's not a requirement to leave Feedback on this site and not everyone shares your view of "continuing to make sure the other party is happy" (although I wish they would).

In my opinion, penalizing someone by changing your Feedback well after the Transaction has been completed is unwarranted and will end up hurting you in the end. Please keep in mind that your actions will not be well received by the person that you've just dinged with Neutral Feedback. Especially if the Neutral is given for lack of giving Feedback.

I can foresee a cycle of retaliation...post-Transaction over Feedback and not the Transaction itself.
[/quote]

I could see that. Or I could just wait until they put up the feedback to leave mine. If they leave none after a certain point in time, I could see leaving some saying, they paid on time, paid fast, no communication, no feedback.

Some would get mad about it, but if they fail to leave or use our feedback feature and think it's silly, why would they get bent out of shape over it being neutral?

They want to deal with people who are deemed safe, but they don't want to buy into the whole process with everyone else.

[Splitter]

I just can't be down with giving someone neg feedback for not giving feedback. There's too many variables at play, and like it or not, coffee is right about one thing. It's optional.

Giving neg or neutral feedback for no feedback just comes off petty. Plus all you'd be doing is creating work for the mods who would have to wade into a he said / she said battle and zero it out anyway.

I think getting wraped around the axel on this is just self defeating and negative.

[Prof3ssor]

I find that people who have a high number of feedback tend to care less.

[PinHunter]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1323223608' post='3902635']
I bet if my feedback was correct it would be closer to 200. I usually send one message and if no response then one more polite quick message. Otherwise I'm not gonna keep bothering someone. I leave feedback as soon as the buyer pays as his part of the transaction is over. I expect the buyer to leave feedback when the package arrives and the next time he logs in, takes literally 20 seconds to do.
[/quote]

Exactly how I do feedback as well. I just posted on another thread about this exact topic. Im still waiting on 3 people to leave feedback from transactions within the last few weeks. Its not like these people aren't online searching the BST...AND they read the message, just refuse/are too lazy to leave feedback. I know we can't do this, but we should start a list of those users that abuse the BST and/or don't leave feedback as it is an important part of the forum, in my opinion.