RBZ 3 Wood 15 degrees.............284.4 yards WOW

[TMBob]

Trackman Info

Well I have been putting the RBZ 3 wood that was sent to me into the hands of many different types of players, but most have been high handicap players till this past Saturday came along..........WOW zaaa

I stopped by Greg Rogers Performance Golf (check out their web site by the way) to show them the RBZ and to get a few Trackman numbers on some shafts that I was trying out.

Since the staff their had not see the RBZ or got to hit it yet they were very excited to be able to take a few swings with it and I was happy to sit back and watch them do so.

I am going to be listing two players Trackman info with the RBZ for everyone to view and comment on or ask me any questions

We grabbed a stock TM SF 2.0 15 degree to do the test with and what would be called a fair test. One small difference was that the SF was 1/4" longer and the shafts were slightly different. Ball was a Callaway (i)s I think that is what it was called. I thought that it spun a bit much for my testing.

These reports will show two different results from two different swings which I thought both looked great but the numbers might tell a slightly different story.

Player 1 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total
SF 2.0 RBZ
Ball Speed 102.6 102.5 105.6 103.6 106.6 105.1 105.0 105.5
Attack Angle -2.4 -1.3 -1.4 -1.7 -1.5 0.4 2.0 1.4
Club Path 2.5 0.4 0.5 1.1 0.4 -2.4 -1.7 -1.2
Vert. SP 49.4 51.2 50.6 50.4 50.7 51.2 48.1 50.0
Hoirz SP 0.5 -0.7 -0.7 -0.3 -0.9 -2.0 0.0 -1.0
Dyn. Loft 10.8 11.1 11.3 11.1 12.5 10.6 11.0 11.4
Ball Speed 154.4 154.2 158.9 155.8 160.1 157.6 157.9 158.5
Smash Factor 1.50 1.51 1.51 1.50 150 150 150 150
Vert Angle 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.3 10.6 9.2 9.7 9.8
Horiz Angle -0.5 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 0.1 -1.8 1.1 -0.2
Spin Rate 2880 2610 2760 2750 3080 2220 2070 2457
Spin Axis -9.9 -1.9 -2.8 -4.9 -0.9 2.2 13.5 4.9
Max Height 21.4 21.1 24.4 22.3 30.2 19.6 19.4 23.1
Carry 241.1 242.5 254.9 246.2 261.0 245.8 243.9 250.2
Side 18.3L 3.6L 6.5L 9.5L 1.5L 4.9L 21.9R 5.2R
Flight Time 5.77 5.67 6.08 5.84 6.64 5.41 5.27 5.77
Landing Angle 30.0 29.0 32.0 30.3 37.4 26.4 25.7 29.8
Length 271.1 275.1 283.8 276.7 284.0 284.1 285.0 284.4
Side 22.7L 4.5L 7.8L 11.7L 1.8L 5.1L 26.7R 7.3R

Notes........He nutted one of the SF 2.0 (ball 3) which turned out to be like all three of the RBZ shots. Ball Speed was up, Swing Speed was up, Spin was down.......please add any other tid bits that you get out of these numbers.


Now Player 2 had some different Results and I will make a note of them and see if the swing experts can comment on them since I am not to sure what they mean 100%

Player 2 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total
SF 2.0 RBZ
Ball Speed 101.4 104.5 104.7 103.5 105.2 105.8 106.7 105.9
Attack Angle -4.4 -3.8 -4.1 -1.9 -3.7 -0.7 -2.1
Club Path -4.0 -6.9 -5.5 -6.3 -2.3 -5.9 -5.0
Vert. SP 50.2 49.7 50.0 54.0 55.7 55.7 55.1
Hoirz SP -7.7 -10.1 -8.9 -7.6 -5.3 -6.4 -6.4
Dyn. Loft 16.7 12.2 14.5 18.6 19.3 18.5 18.8
Ball Speed 139.8 145.5 146.9 144.1 147.1 144.5 144.4 145.3
Smash Factor 1.38 1.39 1.40 1.39 1.40 1.37 1.35 1.37
Vert Angle 15.1 13.6 9.9 12.9 15.6 15.9 15.6 15.7
Horiz Angle 5.7 2.2 -4.5 1.1 -1.9 0.1 0.3 -0.5
Spin Rate 4130 4710 3480 4107 4500 4950 4460 4650
Spin Axis 12.4 6.5 9.4 9.0 5.3 13.6 9.3
Max Height 36.0 36.5 24.3 32.3 42.2 42.6 39.5 41.4
Carry 216.5 219.3 228.4 221.4 224.8 215.9 220.0 220.2
Side 21.4R 34.8R 6.6L 16.5R 12.8R 11.9R 29.9R 18.2R
Flight Time 6.74 6.81 6.04 6.53 7.16 7.12 6.95 7.08
Landing Angle 45.6 46.3 34.9 42.3 49.2 50.4 47.6 49.1
Length 229.9 231.1 251.2 237.4 235.1 224.5 231.3 230.3
Side 22.7R 37.7R 6.1L 18.1R 14.0R 12.7R 32.5R 19.7R

Notes........we can see clearly that player 2 has a different move then player 1. Compared to the SF 2.0 his ball speed was up, club speed was up, as was his launch angle (not sure why, same loft..shaft maybe) and as was the spin which killed his distance with the RBZ. All 3 of his RBZ shots were barely longer then 2 of the SF 2.0 shots even with way more spin. He nutted one of the SF 2.0 just like player 1 so there is something to be said about the SF 2.0 "if" hit perfect, it is long! Were the RBZ seems to be slightly straighter and consistent distance for both players..no jumpers. We also saw his Smash Factor go down with the RBZ for some reason also.

Love to hear some feedback but please........no silly comments about anyones numbers.......both guys were nice enough to swing these clubs and have me publish the numbers. Player 2 is working with Gregg on his attack angle as Gregg mentioned it to him while I was there.

Players 1's numbers are right there with the posted Tour averages for a 3 wood, which we have no clue what the average loft of those 3 woods really are out there.




Thanks Again,
BG

[J13]

Good honest numbers right there. Looks like the RBZ consitantly hits the "nutted" shots from other fairway woods. That is great news.

[DigDugDig]

Not to be a naysayer of the numbers, but Player 1 recorded a smash factor of perfect (1.50) every time, except when he recorded better than perfect (1.51)?

If this is true, I REALLY want a RBZ 3 wood!

[TMBob]

Sorry that the numbers got all clumped together.....i spaced them out but this is how they ended up I guess. I have the download file now.

[SGHGOLF]

Ok the reports are through so will edit this!

Yes player 1's smash factor is unheard of for a 3 wood especially when you take into account how inconsistent his path and angle of attack are for the shots (this would normally translate to some shots being miss timed and the smash factor being inconsistent also). His landing angle is also pretty low on a couple of shots for a 3 wood but still generated decent carry. Player 1's numbers were pretty similar with the R11 ti listed in report or SF 2.0, this can happen though a guy hits the 3 wood nearly as far as his driver... combination of confidence and the length and loft suiting his swing type as you will see with player one his dynamic loft for a 3 wood is damn near a driver... DL of between 12.5 and 10.5 degs is very low

Player 2 is hitting down on the ball so steeply that the spin rate is way to high, compare his carry and total to player 1's to get an indication of the effect being too steep is with longer clubs. .4 of a mph slower but 50 yards shorter in total distance! Having said that a much stiffer shaft would go a long way to improving those numbers.


Tempting to make some conclusion about the RBZ but would like to see some more consistant data along with more shots hit and same shafts being used

[Tyler Harris]

I used to be able to hit a 3 wood that far... Until I took an arrow to the knee

[swanry30]

Correct player 2 swinging too far down and left.

TMBob is finding nearly the same thing we did - it moves the ball. We used the same club as a comparison or baseline.

Our test did have the same shaft. Not sure if they "tuned" it differently for the RBZ or not. I'm not sure how much more information or testing people would like to see. It is plain hot. Hotter than any other fairway wood I have hit. And that was with a shaft that is not optimized. On trackman i was also getting great smash factor numbers after the initial testing. - including a couple of 1.50 which I usually only get with a driver (never with a fw metal).

[FATC1TY]

Good number, but seem off. 1.51 and 1.50 smash factors on every swing, and I agree, look at his path and AOA. Kind of odd to have that with the numbers of everything else being so far off. But I'm no fitter, so I'm curious.

Also, the clubhead speed of these guys is much faster than the "average joe" can even sniff with their driver. No matter how many times they'll swear they peeled off 3-bills. 280 ain't happenin' for guys that this club is targeted for, let alone a 3 wood making that happen.

[Asleep]

How is the club speed for the R11Ti & RBZ nearly identical on the two downloads yet the ball speed of the CF guy is 11-13 m.p.h. higher on both the Ti & the RBZ fairways?

Am I missing something??

[poizster]

[quote name='Asleep' timestamp='1324959627' post='3991029']
How is the club speed for the R11Ti & RBZ nearly identical on the two downloads yet the ball speed of the CF guy is 11-13 m.p.h. higher on both the Ti & the RBZ fairways?

Am I missing something??
[/quote]

His smash factor is higher while having a more shallow angle of attack.

[poizster]

Both players swing faster with the RBZ. Player 1 at 1.9 mph, player 2 at 2.4 mph. (on average.) There is your 6-10 yard difference.

[TMBob]

[quote name='SGHGOLF' timestamp='1324955391' post='3990775']
Ok the reports are through so will edit this!

Yes player 1's smash factor is unheard of for a 3 wood especially when you take into account how inconsistent his path and angle of attack are for the shots (this would normally translate to some shots being miss timed and the smash factor being inconsistent also). His landing angle is also pretty low on a couple of shots for a 3 wood but still generated decent carry. Player 1's numbers were pretty similar with the R11 ti listed in report or SF 2.0, this can happen though a guy hits the 3 wood nearly as far as his driver... combination of confidence and the length and loft suiting his swing type as you will see with player one his dynamic loft for a 3 wood is damn near a driver... DL of between 12.5 and 10.5 degs is very low

Player 2 is hitting down on the ball so steeply that the spin rate is way to high, compare his carry and total to player 1's to get an indication of the effect being too steep is with longer clubs. .4 of a mph slower but 50 yards shorter in total distance! Having said that a much stiffer shaft would go a long way to improving those numbers.


Tempting to make some conclusion about the RBZ but would like to see some more consistant data along with more shots hit and same shafts being used
[/quote]


Looking at some Tour Average Data that was posted on this site, I see the Touring Pro's 3 woods to have a vertical launch of 9.2 and player 1 VL is 9.8, yet your claiming it is way to low. This info showed the Pro's driver to have 11.2, 3 wood 9.2 and 5 wood 9.4

[SGHGOLF]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1324960787' post='3991107']
[quote name='SGHGOLF' timestamp='1324955391' post='3990775']
Ok the reports are through so will edit this!

Yes player 1's smash factor is unheard of for a 3 wood especially when you take into account how inconsistent his path and angle of attack are for the shots (this would normally translate to some shots being miss timed and the smash factor being inconsistent also). His landing angle is also pretty low on a couple of shots for a 3 wood but still generated decent carry. Player 1's numbers were pretty similar with the R11 ti listed in report or SF 2.0, this can happen though a guy hits the 3 wood nearly as far as his driver... combination of confidence and the length and loft suiting his swing type as you will see with player one his dynamic loft for a 3 wood is damn near a driver... DL of between 12.5 and 10.5 degs is very low

Player 2 is hitting down on the ball so steeply that the spin rate is way to high, compare his carry and total to player 1's to get an indication of the effect being too steep is with longer clubs. .4 of a mph slower but 50 yards shorter in total distance! Having said that a much stiffer shaft would go a long way to improving those numbers.


Tempting to make some conclusion about the RBZ but would like to see some more consistant data along with more shots hit and same shafts being used
[/quote]


Looking at some Tour Average Data that was posted on this site, I see the Touring Pro's 3 woods to have a vertical launch of 9.2 and player 1 VL is 9.8, yet your claiming it is way to low. This info showed the Pro's driver to have 11.2, 3 wood 9.2 and 5 wood 9.4
[/quote]

This is why I don't post too often! I said dynamic loft not launch completely different parameters.

[SGHGOLF]

[quote name='SGHGOLF' timestamp='1324962308' post='3991185']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1324960787' post='3991107']
[quote name='SGHGOLF' timestamp='1324955391' post='3990775']
Ok the reports are through so will edit this!

Yes player 1's smash factor is unheard of for a 3 wood especially when you take into account how inconsistent his path and angle of attack are for the shots (this would normally translate to some shots being miss timed and the smash factor being inconsistent also). His landing angle is also pretty low on a couple of shots for a 3 wood but still generated decent carry. Player 1's numbers were pretty similar with the R11 ti listed in report or SF 2.0, this can happen though a guy hits the 3 wood nearly as far as his driver... combination of confidence and the length and loft suiting his swing type as you will see with player one his dynamic loft for a 3 wood is damn near a driver... DL of between 12.5 and 10.5 degs is very low

Player 2 is hitting down on the ball so steeply that the spin rate is way to high, compare his carry and total to player 1's to get an indication of the effect being too steep is with longer clubs. .4 of a mph slower but 50 yards shorter in total distance! Having said that a much stiffer shaft would go a long way to improving those numbers.


Tempting to make some conclusion about the RBZ but would like to see some more consistant data along with more shots hit and same shafts being used
[/quote]


Looking at some Tour Average Data that was posted on this site, I see the Touring Pro's 3 woods to have a vertical launch of 9.2 and player 1 VL is 9.8, yet your claiming it is way to low. This info showed the Pro's driver to have 11.2, 3 wood 9.2 and 5 wood 9.4
[/quote]

This is why I don't post too often! I said dynamic loft not launch completely different parameters.
[/quote]


This is why I am not fully convinced about the RBZ being the Holy Grail just yet…

Shots 1 & 2 of player 1 are around the 102 mph mark normal for the first couple of swings to be slower (the original post mentioned you started with the SF 2.0) for a total of 271 & 275

His 3rd shot was at 105 for a total of 283 yards

He has then with swings of 106, 105 & 105 with the RBZ hit it 284, 284 & 285 a whooping 1, 1 & 2 yards distance gain over the SF 2.0 at the same club-head speed!

So as I said would need to see more testing, in theory the face should be hotter with the speed channel or what ever you want to call it, the Adams certainly translated to higher ball speeds with the F11 but this didn’t mean that they automatically went a whole lot further as they were bloody hard to fit with the lack of adjustability. The RBZ with adjustability should be a step up from this and I am sure a lot of people will get some great results with it, but this test certainly doesn’t make it stand out too much.

[MadGolfer76]

Why would someone want a 3 wood that goes as far as their driver??

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Too add some more course time results to TMbob and Swanry30's information. Played a course I play a ton today...35-42* for the day...rather chilly with a slight wind and the sun was out. Ball carried a touch short on the driver's and about a club short on the irons for the most part.

I hit the RBZ 5 times today...2 times from fairway and 3 times off the tee. Results were all very solid.

Fairway results...Hole #1, my second shot of the day off a good lie, uphill from about 245(adjusted for up hill), hit a nice ball about 215 up hill to a flat area in the fairway. temp around 32 slight wind into the shot..so not bad.
Hole #9, long par 5, again into the wind, had to hit a 20 yard cut shot out of the light rough, moved very easily, went about 220 with the fade.

Tee shots............ Hole #10, downhill on a 316 yard par 4, had 72 in per the Bushnell. so 240+ on tee shot.
Hole #13, slight up hill, wind nil, 361 yard par 4, 95 yards to green. so 266 on tee shot.
Hole #17, plays flat to the top of a hill, then goes down hill to a flat area, usually hit driver to get to the flat area during the winter, plays 331 yards, had 55 yards to green, so 276 tee shot.(albiet with about 10 yards downhill roll to flat area.)

This thing is just freaking easy to hit and very long.

I saw a friend from Hawaii this week at my GG I work at...hadn't seen him in a couple of years...talked a bit and started talking about the RBZ, he wanted to hit it, so I showed it to him. In our monitor at work, I will hit my SFTP 2.0 15* Kai'li 80X about 245 carry and the RBZ around 260 carry...my friend is a touch longer than me, but he was carrying the RBZ 272-275 on every shot...and dead freaking straight! To say February cannot come quick enough for him is an understatement!!



TMbob...great follow up again...good job!

[mosesgolf]

SF 2.0 TP is no slouch. It is the best 3 wood I have ever hit. I played a round today at Oak Quarry and even though their was a slight breeze at my back, I hit a 260 tee shot on a flat hole with it today-GPS confirmed. As good as I hit the SF 2.0, my sneaking suspicion is that the RBZ will be even longer. How much? That remains to be seen. Bigger head, higher cor, with right shaft = more distance. You can't argue with physics. Thanks Bob. Keep the info flowing.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='mosesgolf' timestamp='1324965216' post='3991337']
SF 2.0 TP is no slouch. It is the best 3 wood I have ever hit. I played a round today at Oak Quarry and even though their was a slight breeze at my back, I hit a 260 tee shot on a flat hole with it today-GPS confirmed. As good as I hit the SF 2.0, my sneaking suspicion is that the RBZ will be even longer. How much? That remains to be seen. Bigger head, higher cor, with right shaft = more distance. You can't argue with physics. Thanks Bob. Keep the info flowing.
[/quote]

I agree about the SFTP 2.0 and I love it. Me and Swanry are both thinking a RIP Beta in 70X would be a great fit for this head...since it is a touch lighter then the SFTP...at least we think so..put that monster in that beast of a head and just have something that will be dangerously long!!

Neither of us will probably do anything till February, to allow all comers that find us before than to hit the stock club...which so far has actually been just fine..all tee shots today were very straight.

Most people that hit this off the tee have the same comment...feels like a DRIVER!!

[Asleep]

[quote name='poizster' timestamp='1324959870' post='3991055']
[quote name='Asleep' timestamp='1324959627' post='3991029']
How is the club speed for the R11Ti & RBZ nearly identical on the two downloads yet the ball speed of the CF guy is 11-13 m.p.h. higher on both the Ti & the RBZ fairways?

Am I missing something??
[/quote]His smash factor is higher while having a more shallow angle of attack.
[/quote]
Okay, well I'll go with the guy who doesn't have a 30 yards of carry variance.

[ChrisCYWG]

I wonder how the Tour edition will compare.. 1/2 degree less loft, smaller head, different shaft...

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1324952267' post='3990579']
Well I have been putting the RBZ 3 wood that was sent to me into the hands of many different types of players, but most have been high handicap players till this past Saturday came along..........WOW zaaa

I stopped by Greg Rogers Performance Golf (check out their web site by the way) to show them the RBZ and to get a few Trackman numbers on some shafts that I was trying out.

Since the staff their had not see the RBZ or got to hit it yet they were very excited to be able to take a few swings with it and I was happy to sit back and watch them do so.

I am going to be listing two players Trackman info with the RBZ for everyone to view and comment on or ask me any questions

We grabbed a stock TM SF 2.0 15 degree to do the test with and what would be called a fair test. One small difference was that the SF was 1/4" longer and the shafts were slightly different. Ball was a Callaway (i)s I think that is what it was called. I thought that it spun a bit much for my testing.

These reports will show two different results from two different swings which I thought both looked great but the numbers might tell a slightly different story.

[b]Player 1 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total[/b]
[b]SF 2.0 [/b] [b]RBZ[/b]
Ball Speed [b]102.6 102.5 105.6 103.6[/b] [b]106.6 105.1 105.0 105.5 [/b]
Attack Angle -2.4 -1.3 -1.4 -1.7 -1.5 0.4 2.0 1.4
Club Path 2.5 0.4 0.5 1.1 0.4 -2.4 -1.7 -1.2
Vert. SP 49.4 51.2 50.6 50.4 50.7 51.2 48.1 50.0
Hoirz SP 0.5 -0.7 -0.7 -0.3 -0.9 -2.0 0.0 -1.0
Dyn. Loft 10.8 11.1 11.3 11.1 12.5 10.6 11.0 11.4
Ball Speed [b]154.4 154.2 158.9 155.8[/b] [b]160.1 157.6 157.9 158.5[/b]
Smash Factor 1.50 1.51 1.51 1.50 150 150 150 150
Vert Angle 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.3 10.6 9.2 9.7 9.8
Horiz Angle -0.5 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 0.1 -1.8 1.1 -0.2
Spin Rate [b] 2880 2610 2760 2750[/b] [b]3080 2220 2070 2457[/b]
Spin Axis -9.9 -1.9 -2.8 -4.9 -0.9 2.2 13.5 4.9
Max Height 21.4 21.1 24.4 22.3 30.2 19.6 19.4 23.1
Carry [b]241.1 242.5 254.9 246.2[/b] [b]261.0 245.8 243.9 250.2[/b]
Side 18.3L 3.6L 6.5L 9.5L 1.5L 4.9L 21.9R 5.2R
Flight Time 5.77 5.67 6.08 5.84 6.64 5.41 5.27 5.77
Landing Angle 30.0 29.0 32.0 30.3 37.4 26.4 25.7 29.8
Length [b]271.1 275.1 283.8 276.7[/b] [b]284.0 284.1 285.0 284.4[/b]
Side 22.7L 4.5L 7.8L 11.7L 1.8L 5.1L 26.7R 7.3R

Notes........He nutted one of the SF 2.0 (ball 3) which turned out to be like all three of the RBZ shots. Ball Speed was up, Swing Speed was up, Spin was down.......please add any other tid bits that you get out of these numbers.


Now Player 2 had some different Results and I will make a note of them and see if the swing experts can comment on them since I am not to sure what they mean 100%

[b]Player 2 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total[/b]
[b]SF 2.0 RBZ[/b]
Ball Speed [b]101.4 104.5 104.7 103.5 105.2 105.8 106.7 105.9[/b]
Attack Angle -4.4 -3.8 -4.1 -1.9 -3.7 -0.7 -2.1
Club Path -4.0 -6.9 -5.5 -6.3 -2.3 -5.9 -5.0
Vert. SP 50.2 49.7 50.0 54.0 55.7 55.7 55.1
Hoirz SP -7.7 -10.1 -8.9 -7.6 -5.3 -6.4 -6.4
Dyn. Loft 16.7 12.2 14.5 18.6 19.3 18.5 18.8
Ball Speed [b]139.8 145.5 146.9 144.1 147.1 144.5 144.4 145.3[/b]
Smash Factor 1.38 1.39 1.40 1.39 1.40 1.37 1.35 1.37
Vert Angle 15.1 13.6 9.9 12.9 15.6 15.9 15.6 15.7
Horiz Angle 5.7 2.2 -4.5 1.1 -1.9 0.1 0.3 -0.5
Spin Rate 4130 4710 3480 4107 4500 4950 4460 4650
Spin Axis 12.4 6.5 9.4 9.0 5.3 13.6 9.3
Max Height 36.0 36.5 24.3 32.3 42.2 42.6 39.5 41.4
Carry [b] 216.5 219.3 228.4 221.4 224.8 215.9 220.0 220.2[/b]
Side 21.4R 34.8R 6.6L 16.5R 12.8R 11.9R 29.9R 18.2R
Flight Time 6.74 6.81 6.04 6.53 7.16 7.12 6.95 7.08
Landing Angle 45.6 46.3 34.9 42.3 49.2 50.4 47.6 49.1
Length [b]229.9 231.1 251.2 237.4 235.1 224.5 231.3 230.3[/b]
Side 22.7R 37.7R 6.1L 18.1R 14.0R 12.7R 32.5R 19.7R

Notes........we can see clearly that player 2 has a different move then player 1. Compared to the SF 2.0 his ball speed was up, club speed was up, as was his launch angle (not sure why, same loft..shaft maybe) and as was the spin which killed his distance with the RBZ. All 3 of his RBZ shots were barely longer then 2 of the SF 2.0 shots even with way more spin. He nutted one of the SF 2.0 just like player 1 so there is something to be said about the SF 2.0 "if" hit perfect, it is long! Were the RBZ seems to be slightly straighter and consistent distance for both players..no jumpers. We also saw his Smash Factor go down with the RBZ for some reason also.

Love to hear some feedback but please........no silly comments about anyones numbers.......both guys were nice enough to swing these clubs and have me publish the numbers. Player 2 is working with Gregg on his attack angle as Gregg mentioned it to him while I was there.

Players 1's numbers are right there with the posted Tour averages for a 3 wood, which we have no clue what the average loft of those 3 woods really are out there.

[attachment=961053:RBZ-_CV-1.pdf]
[attachment=961051:RBZ-CF-1.pdf]

Thanks Again,
BG
[/quote]


Did the RBZ have the same shaft as the R11 Titanium? If not what shaft was in the RBZ?

[unclerico63]

for everyone that is not familiar with Trackman:

when looking at the PDF data report, solid bold numbers are MEASURED DATA, light grey numbers are ESTIMATED DATA. this essentially makes all of the BALL DATA, including carry yardage, land angle, total yardage, NOT ACCURATE. notice the spin rpm's in the light grey for every single shot. this club-fitter should know this.

you should use the trackman outdoors, or expand the amount of ball flight and make sure to use the sensors properly. Trackman needs two revolutions of backspin to "MEASURE" the data and not "ESTIMATE" the data.

hence, all of these numbers don't mean anything.

[Jamboy72]

I want to see the RBZ tour head vs. the F11, or any of the TEE offerings....jury is still out!

[Skaffa77]

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1324964086' post='3991287']
Why would someone want a 3 wood that goes as far as their driver??
[/quote]

This was kind of my thought as well. One would wonder if the player would even need a driver at that point...

Distance seems to be paramount. Not that I don't appreciate extra yardage, but I would think this creates gaps in the club set-up...

[bldolat]

I wonder how it tests next to the old 200 series #3 wood? I still think that was the best TM fairway wood!

[TMBob]

[quote name='kylestyle' timestamp='1325000604' post='3992141']
for everyone that is not familiar with Trackman:

when looking at the PDF data report, solid bold numbers are MEASURED DATA, light grey numbers are ESTIMATED DATA. this essentially makes all of the BALL DATA, including carry yardage, land angle, total yardage, NOT ACCURATE. notice the spin rpm's in the light grey for every single shot. this club-fitter should know this.

you should use the trackman outdoors, or expand the amount of ball flight and make sure to use the sensors properly. Trackman needs two revolutions of backspin to "MEASURE" the data and not "ESTIMATE" the data.

hence, all of these numbers don't mean anything.
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This is great to know, thanks for the clarification. So you are saying that he does not have it set up properly, and that it can be adjusted? Last stat was how far down range the reading was, and it was like 5.4 yards. I did a session back innJune and I will check and see what that one said because I was up to 20 yards shorter with much higher spin with my same driver set ups at this session which did baffle me some.

[tbuford]

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Why would someone want a 3 wood that goes as far as their driver??
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how bout this.......Why would someone want a driver that only goes as far as their 3-wood?

[jstet003]

Those are some impressive numbers. I'm usually a Ping wood guy, but this may knock it out of the bag. Not a huge fan of the looks though

[SOONERMAGIC]

How long is this 3w when compared to other brands offerings? *edit.. by long i mean length of the club itself.

[sporto98]

Gregg Rogers is great. I go there often as well. Thanks TMBob for the info on this!