RBZ 3 Wood 15 degrees.............284.4 yards WOW

[FATC1TY]

[quote name='SGHGOLF' timestamp='1324963948' post='3991281']
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Ok the reports are through so will edit this!

Yes player 1's smash factor is unheard of for a 3 wood especially when you take into account how inconsistent his path and angle of attack are for the shots (this would normally translate to some shots being miss timed and the smash factor being inconsistent also). His landing angle is also pretty low on a couple of shots for a 3 wood but still generated decent carry. Player 1's numbers were pretty similar with the R11 ti listed in report or SF 2.0, this can happen though a guy hits the 3 wood nearly as far as his driver... combination of confidence and the length and loft suiting his swing type as you will see with player one his dynamic loft for a 3 wood is damn near a driver... DL of between 12.5 and 10.5 degs is very low

Player 2 is hitting down on the ball so steeply that the spin rate is way to high, compare his carry and total to player 1's to get an indication of the effect being too steep is with longer clubs. .4 of a mph slower but 50 yards shorter in total distance! Having said that a much stiffer shaft would go a long way to improving those numbers.


Tempting to make some conclusion about the RBZ but would like to see some more consistant data along with more shots hit and same shafts being used
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Looking at some Tour Average Data that was posted on this site, I see the Touring Pro's 3 woods to have a vertical launch of 9.2 and player 1 VL is 9.8, yet your claiming it is way to low. This info showed the Pro's driver to have 11.2, 3 wood 9.2 and 5 wood 9.4
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This is why I don't post too often! I said dynamic loft not launch completely different parameters.
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This is why I am not fully convinced about the RBZ being the Holy Grail just yet…

Shots 1 & 2 of player 1 are around the 102 mph mark normal for the first couple of swings to be slower (the original post mentioned you started with the SF 2.0) for a total of 271 & 275

His 3rd shot was at 105 for a total of 283 yards

He has then with swings of 106, 105 & 105 with the RBZ hit it 284, 284 & 285 a whooping 1, 1 & 2 yards distance gain over the SF 2.0 at the same club-head speed!

So as I said would need to see more testing, in theory the face should be hotter with the speed channel or what ever you want to call it, the Adams certainly translated to higher ball speeds with the F11 but this didn’t mean that they automatically went a whole lot further as they were bloody hard to fit with the lack of adjustability. The RBZ with adjustability should be a step up from this and I am sure a lot of people will get some great results with it, but this test certainly doesn’t make it stand out too much.
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I haven't gawked over all the pictures, but the RBZ isn't adjustable in the 3-wood is it? I thought just the drivers they plan to release.

[robbie91]

Off topic but how fast would these guys most likely swing their drivers based on this data??

[TMBob]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1324999766' post='3992083']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1324952267' post='3990579']
Well I have been putting the RBZ 3 wood that was sent to me into the hands of many different types of players, but most have been high handicap players till this past Saturday came along..........WOW zaaa

I stopped by Greg Rogers Performance Golf (check out their web site by the way) to show them the RBZ and to get a few Trackman numbers on some shafts that I was trying out.

Since the staff their had not see the RBZ or got to hit it yet they were very excited to be able to take a few swings with it and I was happy to sit back and watch them do so.

I am going to be listing two players Trackman info with the RBZ for everyone to view and comment on or ask me any questions

We grabbed a stock TM SF 2.0 15 degree to do the test with and what would be called a fair test. One small difference was that the SF was 1/4" longer and the shafts were slightly different. Ball was a Callaway (i)s I think that is what it was called. I thought that it spun a bit much for my testing.

These reports will show two different results from two different swings which I thought both looked great but the numbers might tell a slightly different story.

[b]Player 1 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total[/b]
[b]SF 2.0 [/b] [b]RBZ[/b]
Ball Speed [b]102.6 102.5 105.6 103.6[/b] [b]106.6 105.1 105.0 105.5 [/b]
Attack Angle -2.4 -1.3 -1.4 -1.7 -1.5 0.4 2.0 1.4
Club Path 2.5 0.4 0.5 1.1 0.4 -2.4 -1.7 -1.2
Vert. SP 49.4 51.2 50.6 50.4 50.7 51.2 48.1 50.0
Hoirz SP 0.5 -0.7 -0.7 -0.3 -0.9 -2.0 0.0 -1.0
Dyn. Loft 10.8 11.1 11.3 11.1 12.5 10.6 11.0 11.4
Ball Speed [b]154.4 154.2 158.9 155.8[/b] [b]160.1 157.6 157.9 158.5[/b]
Smash Factor 1.50 1.51 1.51 1.50 150 150 150 150
Vert Angle 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.3 10.6 9.2 9.7 9.8
Horiz Angle -0.5 -0.2 -0.3 -0.4 0.1 -1.8 1.1 -0.2
Spin Rate [b] 2880 2610 2760 2750[/b] [b]3080 2220 2070 2457[/b]
Spin Axis -9.9 -1.9 -2.8 -4.9 -0.9 2.2 13.5 4.9
Max Height 21.4 21.1 24.4 22.3 30.2 19.6 19.4 23.1
Carry [b]241.1 242.5 254.9 246.2[/b] [b]261.0 245.8 243.9 250.2[/b]
Side 18.3L 3.6L 6.5L 9.5L 1.5L 4.9L 21.9R 5.2R
Flight Time 5.77 5.67 6.08 5.84 6.64 5.41 5.27 5.77
Landing Angle 30.0 29.0 32.0 30.3 37.4 26.4 25.7 29.8
Length [b]271.1 275.1 283.8 276.7[/b] [b]284.0 284.1 285.0 284.4[/b]
Side 22.7L 4.5L 7.8L 11.7L 1.8L 5.1L 26.7R 7.3R

Notes........He nutted one of the SF 2.0 (ball 3) which turned out to be like all three of the RBZ shots. Ball Speed was up, Swing Speed was up, Spin was down.......please add any other tid bits that you get out of these numbers.


Now Player 2 had some different Results and I will make a note of them and see if the swing experts can comment on them since I am not to sure what they mean 100%

[b]Player 2 Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total Ball 1 Ball 2 Ball 3 Total[/b]
[b]SF 2.0 RBZ[/b]
Ball Speed [b]101.4 104.5 104.7 103.5 105.2 105.8 106.7 105.9[/b]
Attack Angle -4.4 -3.8 -4.1 -1.9 -3.7 -0.7 -2.1
Club Path -4.0 -6.9 -5.5 -6.3 -2.3 -5.9 -5.0
Vert. SP 50.2 49.7 50.0 54.0 55.7 55.7 55.1
Hoirz SP -7.7 -10.1 -8.9 -7.6 -5.3 -6.4 -6.4
Dyn. Loft 16.7 12.2 14.5 18.6 19.3 18.5 18.8
Ball Speed [b]139.8 145.5 146.9 144.1 147.1 144.5 144.4 145.3[/b]
Smash Factor 1.38 1.39 1.40 1.39 1.40 1.37 1.35 1.37
Vert Angle 15.1 13.6 9.9 12.9 15.6 15.9 15.6 15.7
Horiz Angle 5.7 2.2 -4.5 1.1 -1.9 0.1 0.3 -0.5
Spin Rate 4130 4710 3480 4107 4500 4950 4460 4650
Spin Axis 12.4 6.5 9.4 9.0 5.3 13.6 9.3
Max Height 36.0 36.5 24.3 32.3 42.2 42.6 39.5 41.4
Carry [b] 216.5 219.3 228.4 221.4 224.8 215.9 220.0 220.2[/b]
Side 21.4R 34.8R 6.6L 16.5R 12.8R 11.9R 29.9R 18.2R
Flight Time 6.74 6.81 6.04 6.53 7.16 7.12 6.95 7.08
Landing Angle 45.6 46.3 34.9 42.3 49.2 50.4 47.6 49.1
Length [b]229.9 231.1 251.2 237.4 235.1 224.5 231.3 230.3[/b]
Side 22.7R 37.7R 6.1L 18.1R 14.0R 12.7R 32.5R 19.7R

Notes........we can see clearly that player 2 has a different move then player 1. Compared to the SF 2.0 his ball speed was up, club speed was up, as was his launch angle (not sure why, same loft..shaft maybe) and as was the spin which killed his distance with the RBZ. All 3 of his RBZ shots were barely longer then 2 of the SF 2.0 shots even with way more spin. He nutted one of the SF 2.0 just like player 1 so there is something to be said about the SF 2.0 "if" hit perfect, it is long! Were the RBZ seems to be slightly straighter and consistent distance for both players..no jumpers. We also saw his Smash Factor go down with the RBZ for some reason also.

Love to hear some feedback but please........no silly comments about anyones numbers.......both guys were nice enough to swing these clubs and have me publish the numbers. Player 2 is working with Gregg on his attack angle as Gregg mentioned it to him while I was there.

Players 1's numbers are right there with the posted Tour averages for a 3 wood, which we have no clue what the average loft of those 3 woods really are out there.

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Thanks Again,
BG
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Did the RBZ have the same shaft as the R11 Titanium? If not what shaft was in the RBZ?
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The two heads were, RBZ and SF 2.0 Non TP, no the R11 Ti as listed on the TM info.......shaft wise, RBZ Matriz Xcon5 and I believe that the SF 2.0 non TP has a Matrix 4.8 stiff

[TMBob]

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How long is this 3w when compared to other brands offerings? *edit.. by long i mean length of the club itself.
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I am pretty sure that the RBZ is 43.25" Need to look it up to make sure

[SGHGOLF]

[quote name='FATC1TY' timestamp='1325027104' post='3994005']
I haven't gawked over all the pictures, but the RBZ isn't adjustable in the 3-wood is it? I thought just the drivers they plan to release.
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Your right, presumption the mother of... thought they would follow the R9 R11 but is only the driver, at least they are having a TP version should be bloody interesting to hit

[flightpath]

I stay away from Taylormade at all cost jut dont like it but with all the hype about this 3 wood I'm deff going to have to pick one up

[lightningbolt444]

I need to figure out a place to hit one of these things soon I am so excited. Even if I can have it until Feb I want to hit it NOW. Also interested mainly in the tp version any comments on that head? Is it the same gains as the normal 3wood

[k_ozee]

Hit my 910 FD 15.0 (with stock Ahina S shaft) 279 yards today - in real grass and wind, not on Trackman. Not saying...just saying...

[lightningbolt444]

[quote name='k_ozee' timestamp='1325042544' post='3995107']
Hit my 910 FD 15.0 (with stock Ahina S shaft) 279 yards today - in real grass and wind, not on Trackman. Not saying...just saying...
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If you dont have comparison with the RBZ then it doesnt belong in this thread. I love my FD as well and hit it a ton but without ever hitting this club you nor I can make a fair comparison. So how far we hit our fds does not matter.

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='tbuford' timestamp='1325003540' post='3992365']
[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1324964086' post='3991287']
Why would someone want a 3 wood that goes as far as their driver??
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how bout this.......Why would someone want a driver that only goes as far as their 3-wood?
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Wouldn't know.

[SOONERMAGIC]

[quote name='lightningbolt444' timestamp='1325055550' post='3995687']
[quote name='k_ozee' timestamp='1325042544' post='3995107']
Hit my 910 FD 15.0 (with stock Ahina S shaft) 279 yards today - in real grass and wind, not on Trackman. Not saying...just saying...
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If you dont have comparison with the RBZ then it doesnt belong in this thread. I love my FD as well and hit it a ton but without ever hitting this club you nor I can make a fair comparison. So how far we hit our fds does not matter.
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God this thread has turned into lunchroom bickering.....

[54 Banyon]

Does anyone else think that driving 3 woods are taking over in the market.

[longbal30]

I think it's complete nonsense to have a 3 wood go that far, if it really does. All it does is screw up your yardage gaps. Seriously,
If this is your stats the old way
Driver 280
3 wood 250
5 wood 235
3 iron 210

And this would be with the rbz rubbish
Driver 280
3 wood 280
5 wood 260
3 iron 210

All it did was mess up your gaps. When people realize the secret to low scores is hitting specific targets and not hitting clubs as far as possible, then we will all be better off

Out of all the long bombers out there on tour now, who is leading the money list on 2 tours and is number 1 in the world? And there is even a thread about him right now about how short he is. It's all about hitting the yardages and direction consistenly people, not how far I can hit me 3 wood. Put the who's aside and watch the scores drop.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='longbal30' timestamp='1325094102' post='3996881']
I think it's complete nonsense to have a 3 wood go that far, if it really does. All it does is screw up your yardage gaps. Seriously,
If this is your stats the old way
Driver 280
3 wood 250
5 wood 235
3 iron 210

And this would be with the rbz rubbish
Driver 280
[b][u]3 wood 280--- instead use 5 wood 250
5 wood 260---instead use 3 hybrid 230
[/u][/b]3 iron 210

All it did was mess up your gaps. When people realize the secret to low scores is hitting specific targets and not hitting clubs as far as possible, then we will all be better off

Out of all the long bombers out there on tour now, who is leading the money list on 2 tours and is number 1 in the world? And there is even a thread about him right now about how short he is. It's all about hitting the yardages and direction consistenly people, not how far I can hit me 3 wood. Put the who's aside and watch the scores drop.
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See highlighted changes...people seem to fail to grasp, it is not just about the distance, it is really more about the distance being the same with a shorter and more lofted club that is EASIER to hit more consistently. Just like innovations in iron shafts that reduce spin and launch and thus gain more yardage for alot of people...hitting a 9 iron into a green is easier than hitting an 8 iron, regardless of the distance one hits either of those clubs. Some will take the larger gaps and deal with it, the smart ones, will take an easier hit club that goes close to the same distance as the longer, harder to hit club.

just sayin!

[highdraw69]

any sense of how easy/difficult this 3-wood is to hit off the deck? does the channel on the bottom need a high-face hit to feel solid and not lose distance? (my 3-wood miss off the turf is low on the face -- not high) even with the added distance, i picture myself primarily wanting a 3-wood for 2nd shot on long par 5s...

[longbal30]

Hitting a 9 iron is NOT easier than hitting a 8 iron into a green when they are the SAME loft! Point being, it doesn't matter how far you hit the iron of choice, it doesn't matter what the number is on the bottom of the iron, just swing within yourself and hit the target.

I have seen pw's that are the same loft as 9 irons and even 8 irons. What is the point of it other than to stroke ones ego. Drivers keep getting longer shafts, 3 woods getting longer shafts, all in the sacrifice of accuracy just to market distance.

I read in the initial op post that the guys club speed with a 3 wood was 106 or something around there. That club speed with a driver is only going to produce so much, driver would probably be around 110 ish, so total drives around the 280 mark, if he is hitting with a good solid swing and good smash factor. Unless he is super human like some are here and can make 110 club speed go post 300 yards on a routine basis. Physics are physics.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='highdraw69' timestamp='1325102562' post='3997473']
any sense of how easy/difficult this 3-wood is to hit off the deck? does the channel on the bottom need a high-face hit to feel solid and not lose distance? (my 3-wood miss off the turf is low on the face -- not high) even with the added distance, i picture myself primarily wanting a 3-wood for 2nd shot on long par 5s...
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I find it stupid easy off the turf so far...thing feels like a driver off the tee and a very solid fw off the turf. I is just all around sound...when you get the chance go hit one.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='longbal30' timestamp='1325102675' post='3997479']
Hitting a 9 iron is NOT easier than hitting a 8 iron into a green when they are the SAME loft! Point being, it doesn't matter how far you hit the iron of choice, it doesn't matter what the number is on the bottom of the iron, just swing within yourself and hit the target.

I have seen pw's that are the same loft as 9 irons and even 8 irons. What is the point of it other than to stroke ones ego. Drivers keep getting longer shafts, 3 woods getting longer shafts, all in the sacrifice of accuracy just to market distance.

I read in the initial op post that the guys club speed with a 3 wood was 106 or something around there. That club speed with a driver is only going to produce so much, driver would probably be around 110 ish, so total drives around the 280 mark, if he is hitting with a good solid swing and good smash factor. Unless he is super human like some are here and can make 110 club speed go post 300 yards on a routine basis. Physics are physics.
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You didn't read my reply well enough, I didn't mention loft at all, I said that with shaft innovations there is sometimes an increase in distance, as I found from X100's to CtapersX, no loft changes, just launch and spin. I gain almost 9 yards with those changes due to shaft...so sometimes I do hit a 9 instead of an 8 iron...nothing changed except the shafts...no loft adjustments.

Loft being the same in the RBZ and my SFTP 2.0 at 15*, I found about 10-13 yards more with the RBZ...clubs are both 43.5 inches long also, btw. But I think I could get more after reshafting the RBZ with something that fits my SS better. Playing a Kai'li 80x in my SFTP and it is great for me in that head. Would like to see what it would do in the RBZ...probably launch better and hit it more flush more often....looking for control and accuracy this year. Any distance gained was a by product.

My whole comment was based on same loft...same length...there are obviously different shafts involved, but same person, same SS. Just observing what I have seen in person, not just with my own comparisons, but anyone I have played golf with in the last 3 weeks has hit this thing really well also...all of them, better than they hit their current clubs.

Again, though, if I can hit a 5 wood loft almost as far or as far as my current 3 wood due to design and technology than I could reasonable replace a club I find harder to hit with one I feel is easier to hit, due to length and loft and get better results and NOT lose any distance...that is a no brainer to me...period.

[MtlJeff]

it's probably been discussed in one of the 10000 threads. But can anyone comment on what the stock shaft(s) will be, and what standard length is?

What about a 5 wood? will it be 18 degrees and how long is the shaft?

It comes out in February which is long before the season starts here. Looking forward to giving it a test and seeing for myself.

[longbal30]

And by doing that, you will create a gap in your set, you can make your woods go a far as you want, you can strengthen loft in your irons or change shafts to go as far as possible, eventually you aregoing to have either gaps in the iron / wood transition or the wedge to iron transition, or putter to full wedge shot transition. What's wrong with having a solid wedge go 100 yards and progressing from there in 10-12 yard increments?

My personal gaps:
Golf club carry distances



[b]I know that there is a small gap between the 5 wood and 2 hybrid. I interchange these depending on course and conditions. there are 14 clubs listed, I can only carry 13, thanks.[/b]

Driver 275
3 wood 250
5 wood 230
2 hybrid 225
3 iron 215
4 iron 204
5 iron 192
6 iron 180
7 iron 168
8 iron 157
9 iron 146
Pw 135
Gw 120
Lw 106

All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1325104877' post='3997629']
it's probably been discussed in one of the 10000 threads. But can anyone comment on what the stock shaft(s) will be, and what standard length is?

What about a 5 wood? will it be 18 degrees and how long is the shaft?

It comes out in February which is long before the season starts here. Looking forward to giving it a test and seeing for myself.
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Hey Mtl....stock 3 wood is 15* and has a 43.5 inch shaft(including cap measurement, so figure 43.25 playing length), and a Matrix Xcon 5, 50 grams. The tour will have an option of stock with the Xcon7 or the RUL 70..can't say I know a darn thing about the spec's on any of them. BUT, the made for Xcon5 is stout in the stiff flex. I have SS 110-113 driver, and I hit the S flex 50 gram dead straight, no curvature, just a slight 6-7 yard pull. Figure it lags just a touch. While I am testing it out, I feel I can play it just as is with no much alignment adjustment.

Very Solid. I think 5 wood is 18*, same shaft.

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='longbal30' timestamp='1325105088' post='3997641']
And by doing that, you will create a gap in your set, you can make your woods go a far as you want, you can strengthen loft in your irons or change shafts to go as far as possible, eventually you aregoing to have either gaps in the iron / wood transition or the wedge to iron transition, or putter to full wedge shot transition. What's wrong with having a solid wedge go 100 yards and progressing from there in 10-12 yard increments?

My personal gaps:
Golf club distances

Driver 275
3 wood 250
5 wood 230
2 hybrid 225
3 iron 215
4 iron 204
5 iron 192
6 iron 180
7 iron 168
8 iron 157
9 iron 146
Pw 135
Gw 120
Lw 106

All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.
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how come you need a 2 hybrid and a 5 wood for only a 5 yard gap? If you could hit a 5 wood 250 i'd just keep the hybrid and add a sand wedge to the bag. I think that's the dude's point. Your 2H, 5W thing seems a little strange. But you know what will solve it? [b][i]Rocketballz![/i][/b]

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='Dscvrr St Louis' timestamp='1325105272' post='3997653']
[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1325104877' post='3997629']
it's probably been discussed in one of the 10000 threads. But can anyone comment on what the stock shaft(s) will be, and what standard length is?

What about a 5 wood? will it be 18 degrees and how long is the shaft?

It comes out in February which is long before the season starts here. Looking forward to giving it a test and seeing for myself.
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Hey Mtl....stock 3 wood is 15* and has a 43.5 inch shaft(including cap measurement, so figure 43.25 playing length), and a Matrix Xcon 5, 50 grams. The tour will have an option of stock with the Xcon7 or the RUL 70..can't say I know a darn thing about the spec's on any of them. BUT, the made for Xcon5 is stout in the stiff flex. I have SS 110-113 driver, and I hit the S flex 50 gram dead straight, no curvature, just a slight 6-7 yard pull. Figure it lags just a touch. While I am testing it out, I feel I can play it just as is with no much alignment adjustment.

Very Solid. I think 5 wood is 18*, same shaft.
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thanks man, the tour sounds interesting with Xcon7. I probably would play it at 43 inches so a 50g shaft would probably create some SW issues. If i can hit the tour model 5 wood anywhere close to my current 3 wood i'll consider it. My course requires a lot of less-then-drivers off the tee. The 3 wood maybe i'll try but hitting 3 wood further doesn't help me right now. In fact it might hurt me

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Hey 'CHIN',

[b]All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.

[/b]I agree with this 100%, but what I am saying is that if my 'new' 5 wood is as long as my old 3 wood, but easier to hit due to shaft length(shorter), higher loft, etc...I would consider getting my self a 'new' 5 wood and 7 wood/3 hybrid to replace my old 3 and 5 woods...and my yardages for the clubs in those two slots after my driver would remain the same, but could actually be easier to hit straighter then my old clubs. That would be a definet benefit for alot of people. And if someone cannot hit driver well and hits their 3 wood really good and wants to use it as a driver, then so be it. I can really see these types of clubs really helping out alot of people that struggle with their drivers and 15* 3 woods.

Can you honestly say that if your NEW 5 wood was as long as your old 3 wood, but was easier to hit the same distance...and easier to hit straighter, that you wouldn't do it??? and that you could do the same with a higher lofter club in each slot down to your 3 iron, but not change any of the yardages you listed...just made each club in that range easier to hit the same distance and straighter...c'mon man!!

[longbal30]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1325105328' post='3997655']
[quote name='longbal30' timestamp='1325105088' post='3997641']
And by doing that, you will create a gap in your set, you can make your woods go a far as you want, you can strengthen loft in your irons or change shafts to go as far as possible, eventually you aregoing to have either gaps in the iron / wood transition or the wedge to iron transition, or putter to full wedge shot transition. What's wrong with having a solid wedge go 100 yards and progressing from there in 10-12 yard increments?

My personal gaps:
Golf club distances

Driver 275
3 wood 250
5 wood 230
2 hybrid 225
3 iron 215
4 iron 204
5 iron 192
6 iron 180
7 iron 168
8 iron 157
9 iron 146
Pw 135
Gw 120
Lw 106

All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.
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how come you need a 2 hybrid and a 5 wood for only a 5 yard gap? If you could hit a 5 wood 250 i'd just keep the hybrid and add a sand wedge to the bag. I think that's the dude's point. Your 2H, 5W thing seems a little strange. But you know what will solve it? [b][i]Rocketballz![/i][/b]
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If you add the clubs up, it's 14, can only carry 13 so I interchange between 2 hybrid and 5 wood depending on course and conditions. That's why there is a 5 yard gap between those two.

[longbal30]

[quote name='Dscvrr St Louis' timestamp='1325106036' post='3997713']
Hey 'CHIN',

[b]All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.

[/b]I agree with this 100%, but what I am saying is that if my 'new' 5 wood is as long as my old 3 wood, but easier to hit due to shaft length(shorter), higher loft, etc...I would consider getting my self a 'new' 5 wood and 7 wood/3 hybrid to replace my old 3 and 5 woods...and my yardages for the clubs in those two slots after my driver would remain the same, but could actually be easier to hit straighter then my old clubs. That would be a definet benefit for alot of people. And if someone cannot hit driver well and hits their 3 wood really good and wants to use it as a driver, then so be it. I can really see these types of clubs really helping out alot of people that struggle with their drivers and 15* 3 woods.

Can you honestly say that if your NEW 5 wood was as long as your old 3 wood, but was easier to hit the same distance...and easier to hit straighter, that you wouldn't do it??? and that you could do the same with a higher lofter club in each slot down to your 3 iron, but not change any of the yardages you listed...just made each club in that range easier to hit the same distance and straighter...c'mon man!!


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If your point is that you can carry a 5 wood that goes 3 wood distance and ditch the 3 wood cause it's harder to hit, then we agree 100%. You were throwing me off with the 284 yard 3 wood as being beneficial. Easier is always better, that's kinda like carrying a 4 wood over 3 wood, I get that. I guess we were not on the same page, BUT now we are

[Dscvrr St Louis]

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it's probably been discussed in one of the 10000 threads. But can anyone comment on what the stock shaft(s) will be, and what standard length is?

What about a 5 wood? will it be 18 degrees and how long is the shaft?

It comes out in February which is long before the season starts here. Looking forward to giving it a test and seeing for myself.
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Hey Mtl....stock 3 wood is 15* and has a 43.5 inch shaft(including cap measurement, so figure 43.25 playing length), and a Matrix Xcon 5, 50 grams. The tour will have an option of stock with the Xcon7 or the RUL 70..can't say I know a darn thing about the spec's on any of them. BUT, the made for Xcon5 is stout in the stiff flex. I have SS 110-113 driver, and I hit the S flex 50 gram dead straight, no curvature, just a slight 6-7 yard pull. Figure it lags just a touch. While I am testing it out, I feel I can play it just as is with no much alignment adjustment.

Very Solid. I think 5 wood is 18*, same shaft.
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thanks man, the tour sounds interesting with Xcon7. I probably would play it at 43 inches so a 50g shaft would probably create some SW issues. [b]If i can hit the tour model 5 wood anywhere close to my current 3[/b] [b]wood i'll consider it.[/b] My course requires a lot of less-then-drivers off the tee. The 3 wood maybe i'll try but hitting 3 wood further doesn't help me right now. In fact it might hurt me
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Hey Mtl...you get it...exactly what I mean...besides most 5 woods are only 3* off most 3 woods, so when you are really striking them well, the distance isn't that much different. That is why I go 3 wood to 2 hybrid now. Used to hit 5 wood around 240, hit the 2 hybrid(16*) about 232, but love the versatility I get with the 2 hybrid for punching out and 'putting' off the fringes..no spin and rolls immediately...holed out 3 times with the 2H this year from 15-30 feet...love those things!

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[b]If your point is that you can carry a 5 wood that goes 3 wood distance and ditch the 3 wood cause it's harder to hit, then we agree 100%. You were throwing me off with the 284 yard 3 wood as being beneficial. Easier is always better, that's kinda like carrying a 4 wood over 3 wood, I get that. I guess we were not on the same page, BUT now we are

[/b]Hey don't get me wrong...everyone likes what they like...but damn...the three wood off the turf is the hardest club to hit in my opinion and the 5 wood is one of the easiest...so this all makes sense to me. If you can hit the easier one as far as the hard one(IF YOU COULD HIT IT), then an absolute no brainer.

Also, if I any one has trouble hitting their driver due to length so much that they only hit 3 woods off the tee...this will be a God-send for them.

Just keeping it all in perspective!!

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And by doing that, you will create a gap in your set, you can make your woods go a far as you want, you can strengthen loft in your irons or change shafts to go as far as possible, eventually you aregoing to have either gaps in the iron / wood transition or the wedge to iron transition, or putter to full wedge shot transition. What's wrong with having a solid wedge go 100 yards and progressing from there in 10-12 yard increments?

My personal gaps:
Golf club carry distances

Driver 275
3 wood 250
5 wood 230
2 hybrid 225
3 iron 215
4 iron 204
5 iron 192
6 iron 180
7 iron 168
8 iron 157
9 iron 146
Pw 135
Gw 120
Lw 106

All of which based off a true 108 mph swing speed, I don't see how I would benefit by having a 3/5 wood that went 18-20 yards farther. I would end up with a gap. If I want to hit my 3 wood that much farther trying to reach a out of ordinary par 5 with a perfect lie and no trouble, I can just swing a little faster.
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I think this looks great and have read about the 13/14 club options, the really question is.......Can I gain anything by adding a RBZ fw or hy to my bag based on these going a bit further.

Not much I saw, but I do see these few things that would be slightly better.
a) so if you hit your 3 wood 10 yards further would that work in your line up if that was the only change?
b) if you could hit a 17 degree 3HL 245 yards would this work in your line up? if it could, you know that you'll have a fw metal that you can trust from a not so good lie over a 15 degree with the same lie.......this should be worth something.
c) You might be able to ditch the 5 wood if you went Driver and then 3HL or RBZ 5 wood as the only fw metal and lighten the bag if you carry.

There is some wiggle room to be had, but not to much as your pretty set. It's all about what will make it easier for you. Heck, you might not even like the looks of any of the RBZ heads, tour or non tour so who knows till you see them, and hit them and see if there is an angle to change up your bag for the best.

[nikegolfer1983]

Does anyone know what custom shafts are offered as an upgrade for t he RBZ fairway woods?