Motore speeder 7.2 tour spec vs tour ad di

[brraaadddd]

Hey guys trying to figure out which shaft for my driver. right now I am using a rombax 7z08 in a 910 d3 getting about 10 launch 2800 spin and 172 ball speed. Have the ad di in my hybrid and 3 wood and love it. But have heard the the tour spec motore is unreal for lowering spin and is basically the newer version of the 7z08 with more pop. Which shaft do you think would be better to get that final 300 rpm's down?

[Dizz]

I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.

[brraaadddd]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!

[Shaftology]

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[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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Yes, the Tour AD DI7 will launch higher and the spin rate will at least maintain in the 2500-2800 range. The TS 7.2 will definitely be lower launch, similar to your Rombax. Completely different feeling shafts though...the DI will feel softer in your hands.

[brraaadddd]

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[quote name='brraaadddd' timestamp='1329838331' post='4340925']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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Yes, the Tour AD DI7 will launch higher and the spin rate will at least maintain in the 2500-2800 range. The TS 7.2 will definitely be lower launch, similar to your Rombax. Completely different feeling shafts though...the DI will feel softer in your hands.
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ok great thanks! what are some of the main differences between the 7z08 and tour spec?

[Dizz]

[quote name='brraaadddd' timestamp='1329838331' post='4340925']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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I think its a pipe dream to expect a shaft to raise launch and lower spin with the same exact head. From everything I have seen first hand, that doesn't happen just by changing shafts. DI is slightly lower launch than something like Whiteboard but 7.2 is lower launch and spin than both. If you're gonna launch it at 10 degrees and are OK with that, 2800 spin would be splitting hair to really improve the numbers.

[Shaftology]

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[quote name='brraaadddd' timestamp='1329838331' post='4340925']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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Yes, the Tour AD DI7 will launch higher and the spin rate will at least maintain in the 2500-2800 range. The TS 7.2 will definitely be lower launch, similar to your Rombax. Completely different feeling shafts though...the DI will feel softer in your hands.
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ok great thanks! what are some of the main differences between the 7z08 and tour spec?
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Actually, the bend profile specs are very similar but the tour Spec has improved materials for higher hoop strength which improves shot dispersion on mis-hits.

[brraaadddd]

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[quote name='brraaadddd' timestamp='1329838331' post='4340925']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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Yes, the Tour AD DI7 will launch higher and the spin rate will at least maintain in the 2500-2800 range. The TS 7.2 will definitely be lower launch, similar to your Rombax. Completely different feeling shafts though...the DI will feel softer in your hands.
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ok great thanks! what are some of the main differences between the 7z08 and tour spec?
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Actually, the bend profile specs are very similar but the tour Spec has improved materials for higher hoop strength which improves shot dispersion on mis-hits.
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ok great I'm thinking maybe a 9.5 head instead of 8.5 as well with either of those shafts. thanks guys

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='brraaadddd' timestamp='1329838331' post='4340925']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1329837953' post='4340877']
I wish I could help you here, really looking at getting better numbers for the 7.2 and the Motore line in general to compare and use in fittings against Mitsubishi and Graphite Designs current lines. Not sure why you are worrying much about 300 rpm of spin though at that launch angle.
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With the ad being a little higher launching I guess i was looking for to get the launch up a little and bring the spin down some without having to do too much more swing adjusting!
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Lowest possible, yet effective spin and launch angle is directly connected to your swing mechanics, more importantly, how and where you impact the ball on the club face.

[ForTourUseOnly]

My best advice as a fitter would be to get you to use your current driver and tee the ball up a hair more to catch it a little more on the up swing and higher on the face, this will get you to launch it a touch higher and may drop the spin a couple hundred RPM. Or maybe look at playing the Prov1x if you aren't already. Other than that that's a very very good fit for you.

My ball speed number is about the sameq as you but my launch and spin are 13.5-14* launch and 3250-3500 spin. Which is a touch too much so I am changing loft of my driver this year by about a degree lower.

[titleistfan69]

I know all this talk about spin and launch angle but i believe that the most important thing is to keep the ball in play. Having loft and spin can help most. Ofcourse excess spin can hurt interns of side spin etc. But as mentioned above the most important part is to fit the numbers to your game. Say you play hard desert courses you need high launch and spin because you can hit the fairway and bounce to the rough if the ball doesn't spin enough. Howver in links condition low spin and launch can be prefered. it really depends on so many factors i believe there isn't a universal optimum its different for all

[brraaadddd]

has anyone else tried/using the speeder tour spec going to order one just want some last minute opinions!

[Thrillhouse]

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has anyone else tried/using the speeder tour spec going to order one just want some last minute opinions!
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I have the vc 7.2 x flex in a 910 D2 right now after using the DI-7 in several drivers the past year and a half. I like the speeder because it is very similar in feel and performance to the old speeder 757 which was my favourite shaft of all time. It is much stouter feeling than the DI-7 and launches slightly lower.

[storm3]

At that launch angle and ball speed, 2700 - 3100 is optimum. The AD-DI may raise your launch while keeping spin intact.

[url="http://www.flightscope.com/index.php/Technology-Explained/trajectory-optimizer.html"]http://www.flightscope.com/index.php/Technology-Explained/trajectory-optimizer.html[/url]

[brraaadddd]

[quote name='storm319' timestamp='1330296714' post='4382321']
At that launch angle and ball speed, 2700 - 3100 is optimum. The AD-DI may raise your launch while keeping spin intact.

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I am currently working on getting my launch up 1-2 degrees so I am trying to plan for that in my selection!
thanks

[Dizz]

[quote name='titleistfan69' timestamp='1330185220' post='4373663']
I know all this talk about spin and launch angle but i believe that the most important thing is to keep the ball in play. Having loft and spin can help most. Ofcourse excess spin can hurt interns of side spin etc. But as mentioned above the most important part is to fit the numbers to your game. Say you play hard desert courses you need high launch and spin because you can hit the fairway and bounce to the rough if the ball doesn't spin enough. Howver in links condition low spin and launch can be prefered. it really depends on so many factors i believe there isn't a universal optimum its different for all
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No such thing as side spin. The better you strike the ball the less the win affects it. I played in a tournament last year with howling type winds and a kid I played with was launching it way up in the air with no spin on it. The wind did very little to his ball because his club was coming from the right places.

[TheStealthRhino]

Currently game the AD DI 6s and just got the Speeder VC TS 7.2 in the mail today. I'm headed to the range during my lunch break to test out these shafts side by side.

[superman912]

AD DI. You don't need the TS with that low of launch angle.

[OspreyCI]

[quote name='TheStealthRhino' timestamp='1347295014' post='5616973']
Currently game the AD DI 6s and just got the Speeder VC TS 7.2 in the mail today. I'm headed to the range during my lunch break to test out these shafts side by side.
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Please post your findings if you don't mind. Just started playing a AD DI 6s.

[dirthead]

I have been experimenting with 3 shafts in my Razr Fit TA 9.5°. The stock Project X stiff at 45.5", a whiteboard 63 stiff at 45", and a Speeder VC TS 7.2 stiff at 45.25". My SS is about 105. The Speeder definitely feels more firm than the other two. The first few swings it felt more like an X than an S. Ball flight with it is straighter and dispersion is tighter. The Whiteboard has a softer feel, but the dispersion isn't as tight. Trajectory and distance are about the same with the WB and Speeder. I haven't hit either with a launch monitor so I don't know the spin, launch angle, etc, but on the course, I definitely prefer the Speeder in that club head. I carry about 240 - 250 with total distance 260 - 270 ish.

[ARL67]

I'm similar to poster above -> about 105 +/- SS with a quick tempo.
I usually don't have a problem with X shafts.

I still have a Rombax 7Z08 X-Stiff for my 910 D3 8.5, though I slightly prefer my RIP 70X.
The 7Z08 certainly has better feel, but the performance edge, FOR ME, goes to the RIP.

I also just got a Speeder VC 7.2 Tour Spec Stiff, but not mounted up yet with a 910 tip - soon though !

My current honeymoon is with an AD-DI6X, tipped an extra 1/2", playing at 44.5"

Once I get everything mounted up and some swings under my belt, I'm gonna rent some launch monitor time.

- Andy

[kg92lefty]

[quote name='dirthead' timestamp='1347307591' post='5618209']
I have been experimenting with 3 shafts in my Razr Fit TA 9.5°. The stock Project X stiff at 45.5", a whiteboard 63 stiff at 45", and a Speeder VC TS 7.2 stiff at 45.25". My SS is about 105. The Speeder definitely feels more firm than the other two. The first few swings it felt more like an X than an S. Ball flight with it is straighter and dispersion is tighter. The Whiteboard has a softer feel, but the dispersion isn't as tight. Trajectory and distance are about the same with the WB and Speeder. I haven't hit either with a launch monitor so I don't know the spin, launch angle, etc, but on the course, I definitely prefer the Speeder in that club head. I carry about 240 - 250 with total distance 260 - 270 ish.
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The S and X flex tour spec speeders have the same stiffness in the mid and tip section, the s has a slightly softer butt. So its basically an X.

[JaxBeachNole]

The TS is going to have a much more similar launch to the Rombax. I would expect a slight increase in launch for the DI.

The TS is an awesome shaft although I think that launch is a bit higher than advertised. Very low spin and a low to mid launch.

[OspreyCI]

How does the Speeder VC TS 6.2 compare to the 7.2?

[Hokie2k5]

I think the DI and the 7.2 TS feel pretty different, DI has a much smoother, softer feel with a softer tip. The TS is firm with a very stiff tip, felt like a stouter version of the RIP to me. The DI will launch considerably higher and spin more than the TS.

The 7Z08 and TS will be pretty similar, the 7Z08 was a pretty sweet shaft, hard to believe it didn't get more play on tour.

[OspreyCI]

[quote name='TheStealthRhino' timestamp='1347295014' post='5616973']
Currently game the AD DI 6s and just got the Speeder VC TS 7.2 in the mail today. I'm headed to the range during my lunch break to test out these shafts side by side.
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Any update Rhino? Very interested....

[TheStealthRhino]

Got out to the range on Monday and hit 25 balls with each; no launch monitor.


The AD-DI wins hands down for feel. It's smooth, a nice weight, and transitions well through the hitting area.
The VC 7.2 is stout; it's tip stiff, feels heavier, and is noticeably more "boardy" on the downswing.

Launch.... Incredibly enough, I didn't notice much of a difference in launch. Sure, the VC brought the flight down, but only slightly. I want to go to Golf Galaxy and get on a monitor to see the numbers. I hit a couple with the AD DI that ballooned on me, but that was the swing, not the shaft. I was expecting worm burners with the Speeder, but it was a normal boring low/mid ball flight.

Spin... Unknown at this time.

I'm playing on Friday and will use the Motore Speeder 7.2 VC Tour Spec. That will be the true test.

P.S. - I have an Oban Devotion 7 (05) being delivered today... so... that will also be considered.

Distance... I couldn't tell on the range, but it seemed like they were comparable.

[TheStealthRhino]

Just played today --- the Motore Speeder 7.2 VC Tour Spec is not for me.

As a smooth swinger at 105 SS, this shaft is too stout, stiff, and heavy. I hit it well, but the AD DI won the head to head battle.

(However, Oban Devotion 7 beat out both!)

[ARL67]

Funny, the Devotion 7 4-flex was my benchmark shaft for a year+ until my car door snapped it !
I never did replace it and moved onto to AD-DI, and others etc.
Your positive comments may have me on the lookup for a Devo 7 5-flex again.
I do have an Oban Revenge 6 5-Flex, but that is too high launch.

I've had a few range sessions with my AD-DI6X and Speeder VC 7.2 TS Stiff.
I too will side with the AD-DI6X.
I really wanted the Speeder to by the winner, but not this time.
I am having some trouble getting the face closed at impact so they are pushing to the right.
And/or I am overswinging and arms/hands are trailing the body.
Either way the AD-DI6X is as easier swing for me, and great feel.
Next up is VC 6.2 TS X-Stiff and Attas T2 6X - both still in USPS hands on their way to me.

- Andy

[OspreyCI]

[quote name='ARL67' timestamp='1347740592' post='5644383']
Funny, the Devotion 7 4-flex was my benchmark shaft for a year+ until my car door snapped it !
I never did replace it and moved onto to AD-DI, and others etc.
Your positive comments may have me on the lookup for a Devo 7 5-flex again.
I do have an Oban Revenge 6 5-Flex, but that is too high launch.

I've had a few range sessions with my AD-DI6X and Speeder VC 7.2 TS Stiff.
I too will side with the AD-DI6X.
I really wanted the Speeder to by the winner, but not this time.
I am having some trouble getting the face closed at impact so they are pushing to the right.
And/or I am overswinging and arms/hands are trailing the body.
Either way the AD-DI6X is as easier swing for me, and great feel.
Next up is VC 6.2 TS X-Stiff and Attas T2 6X - both still in USPS hands on their way to me.

- Andy
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