Lunch after 9 holes?

[act0fgod]

Say you're playing a course and have a 10am tee time. The course is pretty full. You finish 9 and see the restaurant/grill. Is it acceptable to go order something?

What's your opinion on this? If you think it's acceptable what procedures must be followed?

[Mr. B]

Call in your order before you tee off on the ninth hole if the course is busy.

[Pepperturbo]

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[color=#222222]Say you're playing a course and have a 10am tee time. The course is pretty full. You finish 9 and see the restaurant/grill. Is it acceptable to go order something?[/color]

[color=#222222]What's your opinion on this? If you think it's acceptable what procedures must be followed?[/color]
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Call the order in before you get to the turn. If the course doesn't provide a phone, use your mobile. If that's not possible, yes, stop and order. However, if you see you're holding up those behind you, tell them to play through.

[WildDog06]

For me, the most I'll get at the turn is an energy bar or a hot dog and a drink.

Save the stuff that needs ordering for after the round.

[orangebang]

I hate groups that hold up those behind them at the turn. If you have a 10am tee time, eat something right before or bring a snack. Save the food ordering for after the round.

I've walked up to the 10th way too many times to see an entire hole open, and guys JUST getting ready to tee off because they just got their food and were trying to scarf it down.

Hate those guys.

I actually really like courses where the 9th doesn't end at the clubhouse for this very reason.

[Veng]

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I hate groups that hold up those behind them at the turn. If you have a 10am tee time, eat something right before or bring a snack. Save the food ordering for after the round.

I've walked up to the 10th way too many times to see an entire hole open, and guys JUST getting ready to tee off because they just got their food and were trying to scarf it down.

Hate those guys.

I actually really like courses where the 9th doesn't end at the clubhouse for this very reason.
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If you are coming up on them after they've gotten food that required an order and have already managed to eat it, it doesn't sound like they're going to be holding you up for very long. Also, if there is that big of a gap infront of you on a crowded course, perhaps you should start letting people through.

[jnradioactive]

Our course has a sign on the starters shack that goes something like this;

"Any golfer leaving the course after 9 holes forfeits their place on the course and will need to see the starter before returning"

[M910]

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[quote name='act0fgod' timestamp='1343062915' post='5334748']
[color=#222222]Say you're playing a course and have a 10am tee time. The course is pretty full. You finish 9 and see the restaurant/grill. Is it acceptable to go order something?[/color]

[color=#222222]What's your opinion on this? If you think it's acceptable what procedures must be followed?[/color]
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Call the order in before you get to the turn. If the course doesn't provide a phone, use your mobile. If that's not possible, yes, stop and order. However, if you see you're holding up those behind you, tell them to play through.
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bingo.

[teejaywhy]

[quote name='act0fgod' timestamp='1343062915' post='5334748']
[color=#222222]Say you're playing a course and have a 10am tee time. The course is pretty full. You finish 9 and see the restaurant/grill. Is it acceptable to go order something?[/color]

[color=#222222]What's your opinion on this? If you think it's acceptable what procedures must be followed?[/color]
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On a busy public course, it's acceptable ONLY IF you can get your food and be on the 10th tee ready to play when the group ahead clears the driving zone. Otherwise, you lose your place and no one will be too happy to let you jump back in.

[Willie Malay]

Quick stop and go. Eat on the run.

[inthefairway]

Most courses I play at have a food stand with hot dogs ready or the same with an indoor place. I grab a dog and a drink on the go with no delay to others. Other than that any hold up to the course is a pain!!!!

[RRFireblade]

Not a big deal. Lots of courses give lunch deals with your round. Call it in or not, if you don't keep the pace on the turn your getting lapped.

Never ever saw anyone complain about getting passed on the turn while they were eating lunch... although the world IS full of idiots.

Anyway....

Cart crap is worse, they'll stop a whole group in the middle of the fairaway forever sometimes just so a bunch of old men who never saw a pretty girl up close can get a free oogle pretentding to want a beer. Truly pathetic IMO.

[Yepyukon]

Ordering something at the turn is fine IMO, just don't sit down in there to eat it. If the group behind you is pushing and can't understand that it is a packed day and they are not going anywhere, just let them go ahead of you.

But calling it in when you start number 9 to pick up when you finish the hole is the best option.

I am not a breakfast person, so if I have an early tee time, I will stop at the turn for a dog. If I have a later tee time, I make sure I eat before and bring some PB+honey crackers with me for the turn. Also, stay hydrated. Most people confuse thirst for hunger.

[phillypete]

I played with a group that would meet up with their families for lunch at the turn. The full sit down, napkin on the lap deal.

While it was nice to share some time with the fam, it also broke up the round into two separate games. It was impossible to carry any momentum thru the turn.

Countless groups passed us, and we never had an issue hoping back in.

Now under normal circumstances, I find the ninth green to tenth tee the best passing opertunity on the course.

[larrybud]

Depends what you're ordering. Pick up a hot dog which is already cooked is different than ordering Lobster ravioli with a nice chianti and some fava beans.

All courses I play say that you essentially get 5 minutes at the turn. Hit the bathroom, pick up a quick drink or dog.

[Solutions Etcetera]

Stop and order/eat whatever you like at the turn, but don't expect the group behind you to wait if they choose not to play on without stopping.

[Dire Wolf]

I don't understand people needing full meals after 2 hours or so. Bring little things with you to eat or grab quick snacks from the cart/bar/shop.

You have a slot you're supposed to play in. When you stop too long your slot goes sliding by on the course, and unless all the groups behind you were held up and can magickally start all playing faster at the same time without hitting into each other, then your slot never gets recovered other than maybe a group or two playing up to the group that was in front of you.

Then, you have to create a new slot for yourself among the groups behind you when you jump back into the flow of play. It doesn't matter that you let someone through, you still took too long and are inserting yourself into a slot that doesn't really exist, while your actual slot floats on by one hole after another.

A quick stop to make a transaction or go to the bathroom is acceptable, as many groups will do the same thing. But if you divert from the overall course flow, and order something that needs to be cooked (without ample pre-ordering time), you are creating problems for a lot of people.

[Greenie]

Perfect timing for this thread for me. I've never given it much thought what others do at the turn. It's never been a problem for me until last Sat. My buddy and I had a nice spot on the course. We were behind a 3some, they were moving well and my friend and I right behind them. We all had an open course ahead of us. As the 3some left the green on 9 here comes two foursomes zoomng over to 10. The 3some had some words with them and both groups let them tee off 10. We show up and I say what's up? They tell us they were in the clubhouse having a lunch and were heading out on the back nine now. Do you think they let us go ahead? He** no! And to make matters worse in the second group, consisting of two men and two women, the men went over to the pro tees, tee'd off and the one guy couldn't get pass the women's tee with his drive. The second guy put one out there a good ways so maybe I could see him playing the pro tees. We soon saw that the second guy couldn't do anything with his irons but duff 60 yd chunky monkeys. Before long the course behind us got backed up and of course I heard someone say it was the twosome (us) holding everyone up. I try not to let these things bother me so my friend and I watching the show ahead started making jokes.The women played really well and hit the ball straight all day. The men were everywhere but on the course.
This is an interesting topic. I usually don't run into problems at the turn. Just waiting on two groups going out on the back really screwed things up and slowed down the course. I say anything more than grabbing a quick snack shouldn't be allowed on the busy days. And certainly two foursomes back to back shouldn't be allowed to jump in at the same time.

[Solutions Etcetera]

Two foursomes should definitely not be jumping in back to back. Each group should have waited for an incoming group to stop at the turn and then proceed.

But I have a problem with the post from Wolf above. A slot is created when one group stops and the next group does not. The second group proceeds and there is a slot between that group and the trailing group still playing nine. With that said, I have seen problems on the 10th tee when folks stop and don't want to wait their turn getting back in line, just jumping up to ten after they're finished stuffing their face. If and when we stop, when we're ready to play on, we wait for another group to stop and then take their spot and proceed to the 10th.

If everyone did this I don't think there would be much of an issue.

[6thFairway]

I think the problem can go the opposite way, too. I've been in groups that were waiting on every shot on the front nine-- you know it's stacked up in front of you. You can't go anywhere. The guys behind you are waiting on you. You get to the turn, stop to go to the bathroom and get a coke, and suddenly the group behind you is flooring it to try to race ahead of you. You get to the tee and they are racing their carts to get there before you do while the group in front of you is still in the fairway. One thing that's universal: some guys are just jerks. The turn on a golf course is a good place for those guys to reveal themselves, I've found.

[Dire Wolf]

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Two foursomes should definitely not be jumping in back to back. Each group should have waited for an incoming group to stop at the turn and then proceed.

But I have a problem with the post from Wolf above. A slot is created when one group stops and the next group does not. The second group proceeds and there is a slot between that group and the trailing group still playing nine. With that said, I have seen problems on the 10th tee when folks stop and don't want to wait their turn getting back in line, just jumping up to ten after they're finished stuffing their face. If and when we stop, when we're ready to play on, we wait for another group to stop and then take their spot and proceed to the 10th.

If everyone did this I don't think there would be much of an issue.
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What you're talking about only works if the group that doesn't stop quickly plays off of 10, and the group stopping quickly gets their orders and makes it to the tee box in time to follow the group that didn't stop. We're not talking about that.

See the post above yours from Greenie regarding the impact, and how things got all backed up. Why? Because the whole course behind the stopped group was moving at one pace, all together, and then those two twosomes CREATED new slots for themselves on 10 just as if you were running tee times at set intervals for the back.

What you're talking about is consideration for letting people back in. The slots abandoned disappear onto the back 9, and the stopping group has to create two more out of nothing. No slot is created when the trailing group goes by the stopped group. They still have to hole out on 9 and then make their turn at their regular time. They just have a 1/2 hole or a hole open in front of them now, which is the old slot from the stopped group. That does not create a new slot or 2 for the stopped groups.

I've been running golf courses for 14 years, so I'm not making this up out of thin air. Greenie had the unpleasant experience of being behind the stopped group, but many of you have also felt th effects of this by way of backed-up golf courses, as did the people complaining that Greenie was the slow group. It's a ripple effect.

[idrive]

Having just returned from Japan....

at the end of nine holes you stop and have lunch. You are given a slip with your start time
for #10. usually 45 minutes. You went in and ate. No cart girls.

Not saying that's how it should be, just the way it is.

Firstly, I was spending my day playing Golf. I was anything but in a hurry. After a couple of
rounds I rather enjoyed the concept.

Would that ever fly here in the States? No

[Solutions Etcetera]

[quote name='Dire Wolf' timestamp='1344193172' post='5410198']I'm not making this up out of thin air.[/quote]

Nor am I. My home course has a breakfast and lunch buffet that is essentially the same price as non-twilight rates, so everyone going off before noon is going to stop. Some sit down and eat, others will just shovel a bunch of goodies in a cardboard boat and head out, but even that will take a few minutes.

Where the problem really can get bad is when twilighters who don't opt for the buffet hit the turn, and there are still folks that are in the restaurant that will be merging with them.

I like the idea above, but 45 minutes is too long. Perhaps 20-25. Of course, some of the speed golfers here will hate that. But it makes good sense to provide a little preferential treatment for players patronizing the restaurant, and the forced delay might encourage sales in the restaurant or pro shop from those that don't usually stop.

[atlanta golfer]

I'm with a couple of posters above ... why in the world does anyone need a full meal after 2 hours. Hot dog or ready made sandwich and keep going. After the round we almost always have beers and some lunch, but that's AFTER the round...

[Dire Wolf]

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[quote name='Dire Wolf' timestamp='1344193172' post='5410198']I'm not making this up out of thin air.[/quote]

Nor am I. [b]My home course has a breakfast and lunch buffet that is essentially the same price as non-twilight rates, so everyone going off before noon is going to stop.[/b] Some sit down and eat, others will just shovel a bunch of goodies in a cardboard boat and head out, but even that will take a few minutes.

[b]Where the problem really can get bad is when twilighters who don't opt for the buffet hit the turn, and there are still folks that are in the restaurant that will be merging with them.[/b]

I like the idea above, but 45 minutes is too long. Perhaps 20-25. Of course, some of the speed golfers here will hate that. But it makes good sense to provide a little preferential treatment for players patronizing the restaurant, and the forced delay might encourage sales in the restaurant or pro shop from those that don't usually stop.
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You answered your own question right there in bold. If everyone on the course is stopping, then that's part of the flow of the course. The problem we are talking about does not include a buffet deal with golf. It involves people randomly stopping for longer periods than other groups, such as happens with your twilighters and the diners needing to "slot in".

[Solutions Etcetera]

Yes, but I as I originally mentioned, if players act reasonably, there is usually not a problem. The problem arises (at least where I play) from people who stop but don't want to be passed by the group behind them. A few of these types in a row and that is what is responsible for two or three groups waiting on the 10th tee.

If folks that wish to stop, simply wait for a group behind them to stop before proceeding to 10, there is rarely a problem.