Tiger 'Almost certain' to be fined for outburst on # 11

[bscinstnct]

Love that the haters are reduced to whining about tiger cursing and yelling at his ball.

Ha!

You guys are privileged to watch him yell,

"one yard!"

If Tiger kicked a cat in a lake, I might take exception to that...

[MileHighClub]

[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1343141328' post='5341590']
[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141155' post='5341566']
[quote name='sroberts' timestamp='1343127321' post='5340256']
i don't recall that particular outburst, but his antics are irritating. he sounds ridiculous shouting 'BITE!' about 5 times on a given shot.
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If you think that is bad, you should hear Christie Kerr talk to her ball while in flight.
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She's called her ball names when it didn't listen! True story! I heard it!
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I know. listening to it is almost as uncomfortable as listening to some female tennis players grunting after every shot.

[SOONERMAGIC]

Society is full of cry babies/whiners.

At least thats what reading these last three pages has shown me.

[Vindog]

[quote name='idgolfguy' timestamp='1343141339' post='5341594']
Tiger in front of the PGA Tribunal

PGA: Tiger, you have a fine for swearing.
Tiger: Motherf.....!
PGA: Yup! That's the one.
Tiger: God da....!
PGA: Thanks for taking the heat off everyone else.
Tiger: Who gives a Fu..!
PGA: We'll add it to the tab.
Tiger: Sh..!
PGA: See you in a couple of weeks.
Tiger: Sure.
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Skip to about 1:15 lol



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTeYncx1xmI&feature=relmfu

[kellygreen]

[quote name='Will Par' timestamp='1343139015' post='5341200']
We are having this discussion because one of the top golfers does not have either the self-discipline or the desire to control behavior that is considered unprofessional. We would have the same discussion if it was Phil or Ernie or any of the other top players who repeatedly exhibited behavior that is subject to discipline or fines. Lee Westwood recently had to take heat from his mother for something he said on air, but Lee's response indicated remorse and embarrassment for his actions. I don't know of any other top player that doesn't make the effort to control and eliminate behavior that is clearly unprofessional when they are performing in public.
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That's because:

1. Neither Ernie nor Phil are constantly mic'd and on-the-air. So you only get their reactions when they are playing relatively well. Not when they are playing poorly and struggling to make the cut, as is sometimes the case with Tiger.

2. Davis Love III ---or current Ryder Cup captain---acknoweldges that he swears at himself in the same fashion that Tiger does when he isn't playing well (read Bob Rotella's books). The only difference is that he does it under his breath...and he doesn't have a parabolic mic shoved up his you-know-where ready to broadcast whatever comes out of his mouth, wherever he is to millions of people.

3. Last time I checked, DLIII once lost it on the course and deliberately broke a sprinkler head. Sergio Garcia once lost it so badly on the course (after slipping on a drive) that he took his shoe off and drop-kicked it into the crowd.

I don't know about you. But I find these actions to be FAR more outrageous, damaging to the course, and potentially harmful to spectators than swearing.

[tbowles411]

[quote name='TheDarkOne' timestamp='1343141018' post='5341546']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343139062' post='5341214']
At least those who have never competed at an elite level in a sport will never know. Those of us who have, get it. Even if we don't agree with how that intensity sometimes "comes out sideways".

You don't reach the level that Tiger, Jack, or any other dominating athlete does without desire-to-win that burns at a white-hot intensity. Which means you have to take the good-with-the-bad. In Tiger's case, it is the occasional angry outburst when he fails to perform to his own exacting standards.

In Jack and Faldo's case...that intensity is managed by manifesting an outer coldness and emotionlessness that other people (especially who try to get close to them) find just as offensive.
[/quote]

I think the problem is you confuse talent with maturity. A person can be insanely talented, but lack maturity and class.
[quote name='Will Par' timestamp='1343139015' post='5341200']
We are having this discussion because one of the top golfers does not have either the self-discipline or the desire to control behavior that is considered unprofessional. We would have the same discussion if it was Phil or Ernie or any of the other top players who repeatedly exhibited behavior that is subject to discipline or fines. Lee Westwood recently had to take heat from his mother for something he said on air, but Lee's response indicated remorse and embarrassment for his actions. I don't know of any other top player that doesn't make the effort to control and eliminate behavior that is clearly unprofessional when they are performing in public.
[/quote]

Simply, an outstanding post that is destined to be lost in the sea of anger that this thread will become. Regardless, well spoke.
It's funny, I wonder how many of us could come to our jobs, which golf is for Woods, and act like he does. I wonder if I told my HR director that I had to drop the F Bomb when working with patients if she would be ok with that? I wonder if I told my boss that when doing a presentation about financials if the overhead broke, I would have no choice but to throw it, the pointer, and a chair to get myself refocused if that would be cool.
Woods behavior isn't synonymous with great champions, it's the behavior of an adult child who never learned self control, as evidenced ten fold off the course.
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Will's greater point is that when Westwood said something on air, it was in the context of competition, not sitting in a boardroom. His mother heard it and he of course apologized. What was he supposed to say? As an 24-year HR manager myself, I know that is not acceptable behavior in a boardroom, in a counseling session, or in a social setting. Context is important.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141413' post='5341610']
It sure pains many of the fanboys to admit that swearing in front of small childred is a bad thing. Sad.
[/quote]

...and the haters who feel the need to be critical of everything the guy does, really need to get a life of their own.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

[Gem]

[quote name='TheDarkOne' timestamp='1343141018' post='5341546']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343139062' post='5341214']

You don't reach the level that Tiger, Jack, or any other dominating athlete does without desire-to-win that burns at a white-hot intensity. Which means you have to take the good-with-the-bad. In Tiger's case, it is the occasional angry outburst when he fails to perform to his own exacting standards.

In Jack and Faldo's case...that intensity is managed by manifesting an outer coldness and emotionlessness that other people (especially who try to get close to them) find just as offensive.
[/quote]

I think the problem is you confuse talent with maturity. A person can be insanely talented, but lack maturity and class.
[quote name='Will Par' timestamp='1343139015' post='5341200']
We are having this discussion because one of the top golfers does not have either the self-discipline or the desire to control behavior that is considered unprofessional. We would have the same discussion if it was Phil or Ernie or any of the other top players who repeatedly exhibited behavior that is subject to discipline or fines. Lee Westwood recently had to take heat from his mother for something he said on air, but Lee's response indicated remorse and embarrassment for his actions. I don't know of any other top player that doesn't make the effort to control and eliminate behavior that is clearly unprofessional when they are performing in public.
[/quote]

Simply, an outstanding post that is destined to be lost in the sea of anger that this thread will become. Regardless, well spoke.
It's funny, I wonder how many of us could come to our jobs, which golf is for Woods, and act like he does. I wonder if I told my HR director that I had to drop the F Bomb when working with patients if she would be ok with that? I wonder if I told my boss that when doing a presentation about financials if the overhead broke, I would have no choice but to throw it, the pointer, and a chair to get myself refocused if that would be cool.
Woods behavior isn't synonymous with great champions, it's the behavior of an adult child who never learned self control, as evidenced ten fold off the course.
[/quote]

I can swear and curse with the best of them but I have never done it in front of my parents.
I do this out of respect to them. Tiger obviously has no thought for anyone else when out on the course and does not show the game the respect it is due.

There is a time and a place for most behavior and on t.v and in front of galleries is not one.

[sefus12]

[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141413' post='5341610']
It sure pains many of the fanboys to admit that swearing in front of small childred is a bad thing. Sad.
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No, it doesn't pain them. I think you shouldn't purposely cuss in front of kids. I don't do it on purpose. But Tiger's job is not to look into the crowd and see where the children are. He is thinking only about playing golf shots and winning golf tournaments and he cusses at times when he's frustrated. I don't have a big issue with that. Like other's said, it's the parent's job to teach their kids right and wrong, not Tiger Woods'. If it offends you THAT badly, don't follow his group around. That's a pretty simple fix.

And what Tiger does on the golf course is TAME. Go sit behind Coach K at Duke or Rick Pitino at Louisville. They will make anything Tiger has ever said on a golf course look like a bible verse by the first TV timeout if things aren't going their way. And yes, there are kids around them as well.

Should you do it on purpose? No. Does it happen? Yes, especially in the heat of the moment.

[MileHighClub]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343141739' post='5341668']
[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141413' post='5341610']
It sure pains many of the fanboys to admit that swearing in front of small childred is a bad thing. Sad.
[/quote]

...and the haters who feel the need to be critical of everything the guy does, really need to get a life of their own.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
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I am not saying that this topic is a big deal because it isn't. However, even YOU have to admit that swearing in front of little kids is a bad thing, right?

[tbowles411]

[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141517' post='5341628']
[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1343141328' post='5341590']
[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141155' post='5341566']
If you think that is bad, you should hear Cristie Kerr talk to her ball while in flight.
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She's called her ball names when it didn't listen! True story! I heard it!
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I know. listening to it is almost as uncomfortable as listening to some female tennis players grunting after every shot.
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Actually that can be kind of hot!

When Kerr threw out her tirade, all we could do was laugh. I just kept thinking, "Your ball doesn't like you today!"

[Vindog]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343141739' post='5341668']...and the haters who feel the need to be critical of everything the guy does, really need to get a life of their own.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
[/quote]

The reality is...If it were not that big a deal, the tour(s) wouldn't have a mechanism in place for this kind of thing.

That's the reality. Not what we think, or what we think is acceptable. They fine players for doing it, rightly so, imo. And that's it

[Pepperturbo]

I didn't see Tigers supposed antics, but wouldn't be surprised to learn of he made a spectacle of himself. He's now lost in many ways, but that's another subject. Whether people like it or not, Tiger is seen as a roll model to some children, so his public behavior is important. For anyone to think, because player "a" cusses, that means its acceptable for Tiger... Two - three or ten wrongs don't make a right. Besides, children are not nearly as likely to pay attention to what so and so says; but very likely to watch and listen closely to what Tiger does.

[HCEG1]

[i][color=#282828]Wait...you started this thread. Evidently you wanted to call attention to something that is getting ZERO attention in the rest of the world. Now you want to split hairs about WHAT curse words were said and one set of words is worse than another? Are there more accepted ones than others? I just want to be clear so when my 8 year old son (who I know doesn't use those words) happens to hear one in public in the mall or when someone lets one slip out, I can explain to him which ones aren't as bad and how that person is just an evil person for having said such words.[/color]

[color=#282828]Not trying to pick a fight, but if you want to talk about it, let's talk about it. [/color] [color=#282828] [/color][/i]

[color=#282828]You have a strange understanding of 'zero'. This [i]is[/i] a big story and will grow exponentially, especially if Dawson reports him to the PGA.[/color]

[color=#282828]I'll turn down your kind offer to enlighten me as to what is right & wrong in the world as I am happy with my knowledge of what constitutes strong values, morals and acceptable behaviour in society, but thanks anyway.[/color]

[color=#282828]However, having brought up four happy children, who do know the difference between harsh words & obscene ones, feel free to let me know if you need any help ;-)[/color]

[PostandGhost]

The funny thing is that most cuss words start off as normal everyday 'nice' words and then are given a more sinister meaning over time. Take the phrase 'Skee Skee'. Seems like a harmless onomatopoeia but when white people find out what it means, it will certainly be banned from society.

Tiger better shout "skee skee skee skee skee" after every drive he hits because there will come a day where he will get fined for that too.

[Vindog]

[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1343141478' post='5341620']If Tiger kicked a cat in a lake, I might take exception to that...
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I hope not offend anyone and their beloved pets, but if Tiger kicked a cat into a lake, he would garner one new fan...

[MileHighClub]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1343142681' post='5341790']
[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1343141478' post='5341620']If Tiger kicked a cat in a lake, I might take exception to that...
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I hope not offend anyone and their beloved pets, but if Tiger kicked a cat into a lake, he would garner one new fan...
[/quote]
+1

[sefus12]

I'm not sure (and I know some are kind of joking, kind of not), but I would have to think the kicking of an animal into a lake would be a bit more criminal than saying "GD" or "MF" on a golf course. But who am I to know. Apparently, according to one person in this thread, I'm simply an ignorant person since I cuss every now and then.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343141739' post='5341668']
[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141413' post='5341610']
It sure pains many of the fanboys to admit that swearing in front of small childred is a bad thing. Sad.
[/quote]

...and the haters who feel the need to be critical of everything the guy does, really need to get a life of their own.

[b]Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.[/b]
[/quote]

Sorry - but the bold statement doesn't fit. This isn't about general sin. Using that phrase suggests you're not aware all religions do not view all sins as equal. I am catholic, and don't hate anyone either; dislike and disagree, you bet ya. Knowing right from wrong guides being critical of the judgment of others. Furthermore, many of us would never do anything remotely close to what Tiger has done to his family and friends; but I won't go into that.

[Solutions Etcetera]

[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141906' post='5341694']even YOU have to admit that swearing in front of little kids is a bad thing, right?[/quote]

They are just words. Your screen name denotes sexual intercourse on an airplane. I can write intercourse here, but not its "F" beginning synonym. Why does society feel the need to empower some words and not others? "Crap" is ok these days, but not its synonym starting with "S".

How is your screen name appropriate but the F word is not?

At what age do you feel it is appropriate that we teach our children that words are just words, and have no power over them or others?

[MileHighClub]

[quote name='sefus12' timestamp='1343142937' post='5341822']
I'm not sure (and I know some are kind of joking, kind of not), but I would have to think the kicking of an animal into a lake would be a bit more criminal than saying "GD" or "MF" on a golf course. But who am I to know. Apparently, according to one person in this thread, I'm simply an ignorant person since I cuss every now and then.
[/quote]

Relax. I doubt anyone, including Tiger Woods, wants to kick a cat into a lake.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='TheDarkOne' timestamp='1343141018' post='5341546']
I think the problem is you confuse talent with maturity. A person can be insanely talented, but lack maturity and class.

Simply, an outstanding post that is destined to be lost in the sea of anger that this thread will become. Regardless, well spoke.
It's funny, I wonder how many of us could come to our jobs, which golf is for Woods, and act like he does. I wonder if I told my HR director that I had to drop the F Bomb when working with patients if she would be ok with that? I wonder if I told my boss that when doing a presentation about financials if the overhead broke, I would have no choice but to throw it, the pointer, and a chair to get myself refocused if that would be cool.
Woods behavior isn't synonymous with great champions, it's the behavior of an adult child who never learned self control, as evidenced ten fold off the course.
[/quote]

Actually that post says more about you, than anything else.

1. Oh, I fully understand the difference between talent and maturity. I also understand the difference between "moral codes" that are simply founded upon "following rules"...and those which assess the consequences of our actions. My sense of "right and wrong" is based upon the latter, not the former.

Bottomline is that Woods' outbursts on the course are a very-human-and-in-the-grand-scheme-of-things rather innocuous character flaw. Born out of his intense desire to win, the extremely high standard he sets for his own performance, and a poor role model (his father) in how to manage his anger at himself. As long as that anger is only directed at himself, I have neither the time, nor the energy to get that upset about what he does.

Because while his behavior may "break rules", and be considered "rude" by some. It is not harmful. If he were to start turning that anger into verbal abuse towards others...like often happens in the tennis world when star players don't like line calls or in baseball.

THEN, that's when my sense of right-and-wrong gets called into action.

2. Poor analogy...though I have had colleagues who have engaged in such outbursts in front of (their own) patients...and I was the one who pulled them aside and called them on their behavior. The better analogy is someone putting a hidden camera in an OR, and then recording what takes place in an unexpected emergency...and then getting "outraged" when social standards for language are violated.

On the course, we are in THEIR office. THEIR OR.

Those of us who do work in the ORs, and understand the stresses that come from dealing in life-and-death, accept that blowing off steam with words and actions that would not be acceptable in other parts of the working world are part of the reality.

...and as long as that need doesn't express itself in an need to abuse or victimize others. We forgive it...and what happens in the OR, STAYS there.

Because we'd rather deal with someone's off-color jokes, or off-color language...than deal with someone who cracks under the pressure, or turns to chemicals to try to deal with them.

That's also a part of wisdom and maturity. Realizing that we are dealing with imperfect human-beings. Not rule-following automatons.

[Beatupfender]

Pepper, that last statement was as lame as some of your best contributions to this fine establishment.

Skee skee skee all over that.

[deasy55]

Some people think they are more important than what they actually are

[gators78]

[quote name='SOONERMAGIC' timestamp='1343141550' post='5341630']
Society is full of cry babies/whiners.

At least thats what reading these last three pages has shown me.
[/quote]

Which is hilarious because the guy profanely whining is dropping bombs because he "misfired during the stripeshow and didn't hit it with the right traj."

Adam Scott missing a putt to get into a playoff has every right to GD up a storm. Tiger flaring one shot wide of the fairway on the 11th or whatever hole has no reason or need to.

[DieHard519]

[quote name='From_Parts_Unknown' timestamp='1343142410' post='5341748']
The funny thing is that most cuss words start off as normal everyday 'nice' words and then are given a more sinister meaning over time. Take the phrase 'Skee Skee'. Seems like a harmless onomatopoeia but when white people find out what it means, it will certainly be banned from society.

Tiger better shout "skee skee skee skee skee" after every drive he hits because there will come a day where he will get fined for that too.
[/quote]

I believe you're referring to the word "skeet" which implies a release of "energy" from the shaft...straight down the pipe. Is that what you meant?

[MileHighClub]

[quote name='Solutions Etcetera' timestamp='1343143313' post='5341852']
[quote name='MileHighClub' timestamp='1343141906' post='5341694']even YOU have to admit that swearing in front of little kids is a bad thing, right?[/quote]

They are just words. Your screen name denotes sexual intercourse on an airplane. I can write intercourse here, but not its "F" beginning synonym. Why does society feel the need to empower some words and not others? "Crap" is ok these days, but not its synonym starting with "S".

How is your screen name appropriate but the F word is not?

At what age do you feel it is appropriate that we teach our children that words are just words, and have no power over them or others?
[/quote]

Silly silly post. You seem unwilling to admit that it is wrong to use foul language in front of kids. You are on the losing side of the argument, my friend.

FYI -I live in Denver and my golf club is a mile above sea level. Not too hard to comprehend, is it?

[kellygreen]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1343142958' post='5341828']
Sorry - but the bold statement doesn't fit. This isn't about general sin. Using that phrase suggests you're not aware all religions do not view all sins as equal. I am catholic, and don't hate anyone either; dislike and disagree, you bet ya. Knowing right from wrong guides being critical of the judgment of others. Furthermore, many of us would never do anything remotely close to what Tiger has done to his family and friends; but I won't go into that.
[/quote]

Ah, yes...

...and now the smokescreen clears.

..and what this is really about, rises to the surface.

Like I said, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

We are all sinners...and what most of this sturm-and-drang is about is a group of sinners arguing over who is a BETTER class of sinner than someone else.

In my experience, those who are truly interested in knowing right-from-wrong find that so much of their energy is consumed in policing THEIR OWN behavior, that they have little left to stand in judgement of anyone elses.

Hence, Jesus' admonishment. To look at one's self first.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1343143591' post='5341888']
Adam Scott missing a putt to get into a playoff has every right to GD up a storm. Tiger flaring one shot wide of the fairway on the 11th or whatever hole has no reason or need to.
[/quote]

Yep.

..and that's the reason why Tiger has 14 majors, and working his way back to winning a 15th from events that would have ended many another golfer's career.

...and why Adam Scott---and I like the guy---threw up all over himself with a four shot lead with four holes to play, trying to win his FIRST.

[gators78]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1343143852' post='5341922']
[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1343143591' post='5341888']
Adam Scott missing a putt to get into a playoff has every right to GD up a storm. Tiger flaring one shot wide of the fairway on the 11th or whatever hole has no reason or need to.
[/quote]

Yep.

..and that's the reason why Tiger has 14 majors, and working his way back to winning a 15th from events that would have ended many another golfer's career.

...and why Adam Scott---and I like the guy---threw up all over himself with a four shot lead with four holes to play, trying to win his FIRST.
[/quote]

I ignore your posts, so please ignore mine.