Sergios Rocketblades vs Retail

[ava08]

For the most part we all know retail and Pro-for-play model are anywhere from slightly to radically different, none the less, they are different. That said anyone have up close or even in hand pics of Sergio's Rocketblades? I was just watching the tournament he's played in this past weekend, and he still had them in the bag which is such a radical change from the butter knives he's been playing. I have seen the retail models and you must not give 2 craps about looks b/c these things are like shovels...the length on the 4 iron alone had to be at modern 2 irons length.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='ava08' timestamp='1355102075' post='6043897']
For the most part we all know retail and Pro-for-play model are anywhere from slightly to radically different, none the less, they are different. That said anyone have up close or even in hand pics of Sergio's Rocketblades? I was just watching the tournament he's played in this past weekend, and he still had them in the bag which is such a radical change from the butter knives he's been playing. I have seen the retail models and you must not give 2 craps about looks b/c these things are like shovels...the length on the 4 iron alone had to be at modern 2 irons length.
[/quote]

Sabbatini was playing the "retail" version, the only difference is his were hand milled. Sean Toulon said they don't have any special version on tour but there most likely will be.

[TLUBulldogGolf]

Sergio probably has the Rocketbladez tour if I had to guess, now whether it's an even different version than the retail tour I have no idea. But the retail tour model should be more traditional in lofts, lengths, and looks.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='TLUBulldogGolf' timestamp='1355102892' post='6043975']
Sergio probably has the Rocketbladez tour if I had to guess, now whether it's an even different version than the retail tour I have no idea. But the retail tour model should be more traditional in lofts, lengths, and looks.
[/quote]

yes, all the pros that switched are playing the tour version

sabo was playing his 3* weak because he delofts them so much at impact

[ava08]

Cool. Good Info.

[Fornesto]

...bend 3* weak? whats the point?

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts

[Hattori Hanzo]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355106911' post='6044361']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts
[/quote]

I think he means that 3* is almost the difference in loft between two irons, so he might as well just take a club shorter...

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='Hattori Hanzo' timestamp='1355107064' post='6044373']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355106911' post='6044361']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts
[/quote]

I think he means that 3* is almost the difference in loft between two irons, so he might as well just take a club shorter...
[/quote]

it allows him to carry one less wedge? no that makes no sense either. i dont know thats just what he does

[SkyyDesigns]

Serg is playin the tour version...from what I've even told there will be 3 sets and no true blades...

[MtlJeff]

it's probably in one of the 10 trillion TM threads but are there pics of the tour version anywhere? Couldn't find them on the site.

I messed around with the standard ones a bit at golftown today, actually look pretty nice in person. Better then the pics. I don't like the lofts though

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1355107339' post='6044403']
it's probably in one of the 10 trillion TM threads but are there pics of the tour version anywhere? Couldn't find them on the site.

I messed around with the standard ones a bit at golftown today, actually look pretty nice in person. Better then the pics. I don't like the lofts though
[/quote]

did you miss the 20 page long thread about how Taylormade custom made sets for 5 of us?

oops that sounded kinda rude

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355107487' post='6044427']
[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1355107339' post='6044403']
it's probably in one of the 10 trillion TM threads but are there pics of the tour version anywhere? Couldn't find them on the site.

I messed around with the standard ones a bit at golftown today, actually look pretty nice in person. Better then the pics. I don't like the lofts though
[/quote]

did you miss the 20 page long thread about how Taylormade custom made sets for 5 of us?

oops that sounded kinda rude
[/quote]

no i saw that thread. Are there pics in it of the tour version?

[Guia]

The difference in retail and tour is the way they are put together. To start the fitter will go through
about 100 shafts to get 10 that match perfectly and get rid of the left overs. The lofts and lies are
adjusted perfectly for the players swing, distance requirements and flight characteristics. Of course
they also have access to shafts that many of the public do not.

I have really never understood why we regular golfers want clubs that are made for tour players. They
are generally much stiffer and with strong lofts that we could never manage to play effectively.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1355107567' post='6044437']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355107487' post='6044427']
[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1355107339' post='6044403']
it's probably in one of the 10 trillion TM threads but are there pics of the tour version anywhere? Couldn't find them on the site.

I messed around with the standard ones a bit at golftown today, actually look pretty nice in person. Better then the pics. I don't like the lofts though
[/quote]

did you miss the 20 page long thread about how Taylormade custom made sets for 5 of us?

oops that sounded kinda rude
[/quote]

no i saw that thread. Are there pics in it of the tour version?
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[PingDrv00]

Is it possible to think that maybe we obsess more about tour only equipment than the actual pros do? I remember everyone calling the made for Titleist shafts junk, and yet quite a few tour players had them in the bag. Is it so hard think that other than better fitting that a pro might just be playing a model we could buy?

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1355107780' post='6044459']
Is it possible to think that maybe we obsess more about tour only equipment than the actual pros do? I remember everyone calling the made for Titleist shafts junk, and yet quite a few tour players had them in the bag. Is it so hard think that other than better fitting that a pro might just be playing a model we could buy?
[/quote]
[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1355107662' post='6044447']
The difference in retail and tour is the way they are put together. To start the fitter will go through
about 100 shafts to get 10 that match perfectly and get rid of the left overs. The lofts and lies are
adjusted perfectly for the players swing, distance requirements and flight characteristics. Of course
they also have access to shafts that many of the public do not.

I have really never understood why we regular golfers want clubs that are made for tour players. They
are generally much stiffer and with strong lofts that we could never manage to play effectively.
[/quote]

i think you guys are misunderstanding. when we say rocketbladez tour, or rocketbladez tour version. its the club itself, theres the rocketbladez, and theres the players version which is called rockerbladez tour. All the pro players are playing the rocketbladez tour irons. i uploaded pictures a few posts ago. and these are the same irons that are in retail. except for a few cosmetic changes

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355108008' post='6044475']
[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1355107780' post='6044459']
Is it possible to think that maybe we obsess more about tour only equipment than the actual pros do? I remember everyone calling the made for Titleist shafts junk, and yet quite a few tour players had them in the bag. Is it so hard think that other than better fitting that a pro might just be playing a model we could buy?
[/quote]
[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1355107662' post='6044447']
The difference in retail and tour is the way they are put together. To start the fitter will go through
about 100 shafts to get 10 that match perfectly and get rid of the left overs. The lofts and lies are
adjusted perfectly for the players swing, distance requirements and flight characteristics. Of course
they also have access to shafts that many of the public do not.

I have really never understood why we regular golfers want clubs that are made for tour players. They
are generally much stiffer and with strong lofts that we could never manage to play effectively.
[/quote]

i think you guys are misunderstanding. when we say rocketbladez tour, or rocketbladez tour version. its the club itself, theres the rocketbladez, and theres the players version which is called rockerbladez tour. All the pro players are playing the rocketbladez tour irons. i uploaded pictures a few posts ago. and these are the same irons that are in retail. except for a few cosmetic changes
[/quote]

I know their are two versions. My point was that maybe many of the pro might be playing a club very similar to what we could get off the rack in the Rocketbladez tour version. If you remember I asked you in the TM experience thread what made you go with the 4 of the standard Rocketbldez in your set.

[Fornesto]

[quote name='Hattori Hanzo' timestamp='1355107064' post='6044373']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355106911' post='6044361']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts
[/quote]

I think he means that 3* is almost the difference in loft between two irons, so he might as well just take a club shorter...
[/quote]

correct. seems that bending them that much is counter intuitive to the irons why not play something else or add a wedge. I guess it makes sense if hes under contract, sort of.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355108601' post='6044529']
[quote name='Hattori Hanzo' timestamp='1355107064' post='6044373']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355106911' post='6044361']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts
[/quote]

I think he means that 3* is almost the difference in loft between two irons, so he might as well just take a club shorter...
[/quote]

correct. seems that bending them that much is counter intuitive to the irons why not play something else or add a wedge. I guess it makes sense if hes under contract, sort of.
[/quote]

im assuming its the way hes always played his irons

[KuroOuji54]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355109398' post='6044601']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355108601' post='6044529']
[quote name='Hattori Hanzo' timestamp='1355107064' post='6044373']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355106911' post='6044361']
[quote name='Fornesto' timestamp='1355106651' post='6044335']
...bend 3* weak? whats the point?
[/quote]

im confused by your question. but he bends his lofts 3* weak because he delofts his clubs so much at impact. he wants the ball to have the same trajectory as they are designed for, but since he has such a shaft lean at impact he hits his ball lower, thus needing the weaker lofts
[/quote]

I think he means that 3* is almost the difference in loft between two irons, so he might as well just take a club shorter...
[/quote]

correct. seems that bending them that much is counter intuitive to the irons why not play something else or add a wedge. I guess it makes sense if hes under contract, sort of.
[/quote]

im assuming its the way hes always played his irons
[/quote]

Im not certain but when I get new irons and they go further or shorter than my previous irons, ill bend the lofts till I get my normal yardage. I normally hit 5 iron 205 but was hitting mine 210 so I weakened it a degree or so. It's tough to adjust to new yardages

[tnord]

iz sErGio roCKin the ROCkeTFUelz shafTs wit da PiNG stiCKarZ liKE the oNEz i hIT at da DEmo dAy?!?!?!?

Taylor Made - the golf equivalent of Fast n Furious.

btw....Sergio plays nippons right?

and just to add a little something to the discussion. i actually was surprised when i hit the rocketbladez....they don't look THAT bad. the tour version is probably fairly solid. i just can't be "that guy" with the equipment named by a 3rd grader.

[Kadin 25]

[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355146104' post='6045557']
iz sErGio roCKin the ROCkeTFUelz shafTs wit da PiNG stiCKarZ liKE the oNEz i hIT at da DEmo dAy?!?!?!?

Taylor Made - the golf equivalent of Fast n Furious.

btw....Sergio plays nippons right?

and just to add a little something to the discussion. i actually was surprised when i hit the rocketbladez....they don't look THAT bad. the tour version is probably fairly solid. i just can't be "that guy" with the equipment named by a 3rd grader.
[/quote]Am I understanding correctly that you won't play equipment because of the name?

[WVP]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1355107780' post='6044459']
Is it possible to think that maybe we obsess more about tour only equipment than the actual pros do? I remember everyone calling the made for Titleist shafts junk, and yet quite a few tour players had them in the bag. Is it so hard think that other than better fitting that a pro might just be playing a model we could buy?
[/quote]

Very possible, haha....

[hardten]

[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1355107662' post='6044447']
The difference in retail and tour is the way they are put together. To start the fitter will go through
about 100 shafts to get 10 that match perfectly and get rid of the left overs. The lofts and lies are
adjusted perfectly for the players swing, distance requirements and flight characteristics. Of course
they also have access to shafts that many of the public do not.

I have really never understood why we regular golfers want clubs that are made for tour players. They
are generally much stiffer and with strong lofts that we could never manage to play effectively.
[/quote]I agree there are no shortage of anal toolkits here that use terms like "shovels" and "stupid easy" and think they are above anything designed for the "decent but average" player that makes up the golf world and rings the cash registers. I admit to often prefering TP or Tour versions but look at every model with objectivity or at least as much as I can and get what actually works for me be it Tour or non Tour. BTW I haven't seen the Tour in person but hit the non tour a few times and at least from pics here the difference doesn't seem that great. Personally I would like to be able to hit the various heads with all the shaft options. Even in the best of retail locations that can be hard and fitters don't have OEM heads.

[ava08]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1355107780' post='6044459']
Is it possible to think that maybe we obsess more about tour only equipment than the actual pros do? I remember everyone calling the made for Titleist shafts junk, and yet quite a few tour players had them in the bag. Is it so hard think that other than better fitting that a pro might just be playing a model we could buy?
[/quote]

It's not possible, it is! I was mostly looking at the huge difference between what Sergio was playing, in the way of blades and the huge contrast moving to these irons. As I said the model that I had picked up in the store is so the opposite of the blades he was playing it was like what the hell happened in that head that he moved to these. The tour model must have much less offset and must be more compact.

Me personally I could care less about tour or not, I just like certain shapes/looks based on what I had growing up and what I got used to playing with. So it becomes difficult to feel confidence with sticks that look diffrent to my eye, so I naturally made the assumption that it would be the same for most players, including pros.

[tnord]

[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1355146306' post='6045569']
[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355146104' post='6045557']
iz sErGio roCKin the ROCkeTFUelz shafTs wit da PiNG stiCKarZ liKE the oNEz i hIT at da DEmo dAy?!?!?!?

Taylor Made - the golf equivalent of Fast n Furious.

btw....Sergio plays nippons right?

and just to add a little something to the discussion. i actually was surprised when i hit the rocketbladez....they don't look THAT bad. the tour version is probably fairly solid. i just can't be "that guy" with the equipment named by a 3rd grader.
[/quote]Am I understanding correctly that you won't play equipment because of the name?
[/quote]

when there are so many good offerings from so many mfgs these days....yes...i'm going to try to find a new ball after the TP5 (i always buy the premium ball from the past year for 1/2 price). the white heads, the goofy names, the absurd marketing claims, the tricked up club specs.....i'm just not interested in their recent nonsense.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355149729' post='6045755']
[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1355146306' post='6045569']
[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355146104' post='6045557']
iz sErGio roCKin the ROCkeTFUelz shafTs wit da PiNG stiCKarZ liKE the oNEz i hIT at da DEmo dAy?!?!?!?

Taylor Made - the golf equivalent of Fast n Furious.

btw....Sergio plays nippons right?

and just to add a little something to the discussion. i actually was surprised when i hit the rocketbladez....they don't look THAT bad. the tour version is probably fairly solid. i just can't be "that guy" with the equipment named by a 3rd grader.
[/quote]Am I understanding correctly that you won't play equipment because of the name?
[/quote]

when there are so many good offerings from so many mfgs these days....yes...i'm going to try to find a new ball after the TP5 (i always buy the premium ball from the past year for 1/2 price). the white heads, the goofy names, the absurd marketing claims, the tricked up club specs.....i'm just not interested in their recent nonsense.
[/quote]

Trust me, its not nonsense. But if you don't like to make the game easier and more fun, by all means play the spalding blades

[tnord]

their marketing? yes it is nonsense. the "17" or the "heart" tour hats? the whole 17 yds longer campaign. the "rocketfuel" iron shafts. the retail Rocketballz irons vs the ones that camilo was using. the "that's rocketballz long" slogan is almost as bad as the hammer "POWWW" catchphrase.

i hit them in the sim at the demo day against my current clubs....they were exactly one club longer than my S56....which is what i expected. irons are there for accuracy and to fill distance gaps....it doesn't make any difference to me what number is on the sole of the club.

i did not like the original R11 (at least with the stock blur). i hate the sound of the RBZ. i do not like the white. their marketing annoys me. i'm not saying they make BAD gear...they don't. nobody really makes bad equipment anymore. which means a significant portion of people's decision comes down to intagibles. how many times do we comment about how a club LOOKS at address? how many times do we talk about FEEL off the clubface? how a club SOUNDS? how much confidence a club INSPIRES? yes, spin rates, carry yardages, launch angles etc all matter tremendously....but the other unquantifiable aspects of equipment do too.

for me personally, TM has lost my interest primarily because of those intangible aspects and the fact that competition is so stout and equipment is so good that it's very easy to find something else that works just as good if not better.

[Vindog]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1355149866' post='6045773']
[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355149729' post='6045755']
[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1355146306' post='6045569']
[quote name='tnord' timestamp='1355146104' post='6045557']
iz sErGio roCKin the ROCkeTFUelz shafTs wit da PiNG stiCKarZ liKE the oNEz i hIT at da DEmo dAy?!?!?!?

Taylor Made - the golf equivalent of Fast n Furious.

btw....Sergio plays nippons right?

and just to add a little something to the discussion. i actually was surprised when i hit the rocketbladez....they don't look THAT bad. the tour version is probably fairly solid. i just can't be "that guy" with the equipment named by a 3rd grader.
[/quote]Am I understanding correctly that you won't play equipment because of the name?
[/quote]

when there are so many good offerings from so many mfgs these days....yes...i'm going to try to find a new ball after the TP5 (i always buy the premium ball from the past year for 1/2 price). the white heads, the goofy names, the absurd marketing claims, the tricked up club specs.....i'm just not interested in their recent nonsense.
[/quote]

Trust me, its not nonsense. But if you don't like to make the game easier and more fun, by all means play the spalding blades
[/quote]
Fun? How can you claim a club makes the game more "fun". "Fun" is such a relative term and it's this exact kind of marketing thought that annoys many people. Can you decribe what fun means to me? I didn't think so.

There is plenty of equipment out there that performs just as well, that may be more appealing to play to some people. Crazy thought, I know.