Miura Irons

[Putt4doh]

CB 301s or CB 201s?

I've been smitten by Miura irons for sometime and can hardly keep from putting myself in debt to buy a set. Can someone who has seen them in person :) (b/c I haven't), tell me the differences in setup, appearance and playability?

Ah heck, just let me know what you think :) ....who am I kidding, after it's all said and done I'll probably have owned both sets (cool)

Seriously though......help?

[Viking Golfer]

I've been smitten by Miura irons for sometime and can hardly keep from putting myself in debt to buy a set. Can someone who has seen them in person :) (b/c I haven't), tell me the differences in setup, appearance and playability?

 

Ah heck, just let me know what you think :) ....who am I kidding, after it's all said and done I'll probably have owned both sets

 

Seriously though......help?

 

I can help you here :good:

 

Cb-201 have smaller offset on paper according to the Miura specifications sheet, but in reality I have to say that tha Cb-301 looks like ZERO offset. I've owned both sets, and both sets are GREAT ironsets - you can't go wrong with either. I would say the forgiveness in bith sets are equal, maybe a very slight edge to the Cb-301. Both sets are easy to shape shots with, fade, draw, hook, slice, low, high, knockdown etc.

 

The Cb-301 set is a bit softer and more muted in feel compared to Cb-201. Cb-201 feels a bit clicky in feel, not Titleist Endo clicky, but still a bit more clicky. Cb-301 are soft, even softer than Mp-32 if this is possible.

I like the cavity design of the Cb-301 more but both sets are lookers and will be a pride for everyone to have in his bag. Unfortunately my Cb-201 set was stolen last year :drinks: So I bought the Cb-301 for the insurance moeny and haven't looked back since. I currently own two sets oif the Cb-301 because I love this set so much and will have a spare set for when the first set is worn out.

 

You also should look at the new Miura Japan set called MG Cb-1006. In Japan Miura is called Miura Giken, therefore they have stamped MG on the heads and not Miura.

Cb-1006 will tend to dig a bit more than the US Miura sets, Cb-201 and Cb-301. But the feel you should get from Cb-1006 is unique and also great.

 

Chris from Tour-_-spec-_-golf says the Cb-1006 feels a bit clicky compared to other soft Japanese forgings (like Epon (Endo's own brand - so ofcourse forged by Endo), Tourstage (Endo foged), Beres (Cast but then forged (struck twice) - formforged you might say) and Srixon (I believe Srixon does it's own forgings like Mizuno).

This has to do with Miura using spin welded hosels - but some of us actually thinks this process makes Miura irons what they are - the best irons ever made. Some thinks this makes them more harsh feeling (and saves Miura $100.000 pr. forged iron model). I just know for a fact that Miura US Cb-301 are softer than Mizuno RETAIL Mp-32 and Mp-60. Cb-201 are a bit more clicky, but not by much - maybe on par with Mizuno Retail or a bit more clicky.

So we're talking small minor differences in feel here.

 

Titleist Endo forgings and Bridgestone Endo forgings are WAY more clicky in feel than all of the above mentioned. Tourstage Endo forgings are either made in a different forging plant or made with a different finish, which also has a lot to say when evaluating the softness of a certain given set of forged irons.

 

Hope this helped you a bit ;)

 

For the record and to spice up the forged debate - a cast iron can actually feel much softer than any forged iron if you make it the right way and use the right steel and finish. A guy in here have owned the old great Maxfli Australian Blade, which I think was cast and felt softer than anyhting forged ever made. The same goes for Fourteens irons. They can make a cast set of irons which actually feels softer than the softest forged carbon steel 1020 iron head. Beres Honma irons are also cast and feels extremely soft.

Go figure that out (cool)

[HipCheck]

If you're interested in Miura, call Paul at Shreveport Golf 318-347-1556.

 

He's a dealer and has played Miura for YEARS.

 

He's gone from the Tournament Blades, CB-201s, CB-301s and now the Miura Giken CB-1006 (loves them!)

 

He can give you the 'low down' without any bull.

[Putt4doh]

I've been smitten by Miura irons for sometime and can hardly keep from putting myself in debt to buy a set. Can someone who has seen them in person :) (b/c I haven't), tell me the differences in setup, appearance and playability?

 

Ah heck, just let me know what you think :) ....who am I kidding, after it's all said and done I'll probably have owned both sets

 

Seriously though......help?

 

I can help you here :good:

 

Cb-201 have smaller offset on paper according to the Miura specifications sheet, but in reality I have to say that tha Cb-301 looks like ZERO offset. I've owned both sets, and both sets are GREAT ironsets - you can't go wrong with either. I would say the forgiveness in bith sets are equal, maybe a very slight edge to the Cb-301. Both sets are easy to shape shots with, fade, draw, hook, slice, low, high, knockdown etc.

 

The Cb-301 set is a bit softer and more muted in feel compared to Cb-201. Cb-201 feels a bit clicky in feel, not Titleist Endo clicky, but still a bit more clicky. Cb-301 are soft, even softer than Mp-32 if this is possible.

I like the cavity design of the Cb-301 more but both sets are lookers and will be a pride for everyone to have in his bag. Unfortunately my Cb-201 set was stolen last year :drinks: So I bought the Cb-301 for the insurance moeny and haven't looked back since. I currently own two sets oif the Cb-301 because I love this set so much and will have a spare set for when the first set is worn out.

 

You also should look at the new Miura Japan set called MG Cb-1006. In Japan Miura is called Miura Giken, therefore they have stamped MG on the heads and not Miura.

Cb-1006 will tend to dig a bit more than the US Miura sets, Cb-201 and Cb-301. But the feel you should get from Cb-1006 is unique and also great.

 

Chris from Tour-_-spec-_-golf says the Cb-1006 feels a bit clicky compared to other soft Japanese forgings (like Epon (Endo's own brand - so ofcourse forged by Endo), Tourstage (Endo foged), Beres (Cast but then forged (struck twice) - formforged you might say) and Srixon (I believe Srixon does it's own forgings like Mizuno).

This has to do with Miura using spin welded hosels - but some of us actually thinks this process makes Miura irons what they are - the best irons ever made. Some thinks this makes them more harsh feeling (and saves Miura $100.000 pr. forged iron model). I just know for a fact that Miura US Cb-301 are softer than Mizuno RETAIL Mp-32 and Mp-60. Cb-201 are a bit more clicky, but not by much - maybe on par with Mizuno Retail or a bit more clicky.

So we're talking small minor differences in feel here.

 

Titleist Endo forgings and Bridgestone Endo forgings are WAY more clicky in feel than all of the above mentioned. Tourstage Endo forgings are either made in a different forging plant or made with a different finish, which also has a lot to say when evaluating the softness of a certain given set of forged irons.

 

Hope this helped you a bit ;)

 

For the record and to spice up the forged debate - a cast iron can actually feel much softer than any forged iron if you make it the right way and use the right steel and finish. A guy in here have owned the old great Maxfli Australian Blade, which I think was cast and felt softer than anyhting forged ever made. The same goes for Fourteens irons. They can make a cast set of irons which actually feels softer than the softest forged carbon steel 1020 iron head. Beres Honma irons are also cast and feels extremely soft.

Go figure that out (cool)

 

 

Thanks for the info....

 

So if I understand, the 301's are softer than the 201's?

 

I really like the 'traditional' look of the 301's, but the 201's look a little more forgiving. Would you say so?

 

My other real concern.....how does the PW look?

 

I can't stand an ugly PW!

 

Thanks again!

[Viking Golfer]

I've been smitten by Miura irons for sometime and can hardly keep from putting myself in debt to buy a set. Can someone who has seen them in person :) (b/c I haven't), tell me the differences in setup, appearance and playability?

 

Ah heck, just let me know what you think :) ....who am I kidding, after it's all said and done I'll probably have owned both sets

 

Seriously though......help?

 

I can help you here :good:

 

Cb-201 have smaller offset on paper according to the Miura specifications sheet, but in reality I have to say that tha Cb-301 looks like ZERO offset. I've owned both sets, and both sets are GREAT ironsets - you can't go wrong with either. I would say the forgiveness in bith sets are equal, maybe a very slight edge to the Cb-301. Both sets are easy to shape shots with, fade, draw, hook, slice, low, high, knockdown etc.

 

The Cb-301 set is a bit softer and more muted in feel compared to Cb-201. Cb-201 feels a bit clicky in feel, not Titleist Endo clicky, but still a bit more clicky. Cb-301 are soft, even softer than Mp-32 if this is possible.

I like the cavity design of the Cb-301 more but both sets are lookers and will be a pride for everyone to have in his bag. Unfortunately my Cb-201 set was stolen last year :drinks: So I bought the Cb-301 for the insurance moeny and haven't looked back since. I currently own two sets oif the Cb-301 because I love this set so much and will have a spare set for when the first set is worn out.

 

You also should look at the new Miura Japan set called MG Cb-1006. In Japan Miura is called Miura Giken, therefore they have stamped MG on the heads and not Miura.

Cb-1006 will tend to dig a bit more than the US Miura sets, Cb-201 and Cb-301. But the feel you should get from Cb-1006 is unique and also great.

 

Chris from Tour-_-spec-_-golf says the Cb-1006 feels a bit clicky compared to other soft Japanese forgings (like Epon (Endo's own brand - so ofcourse forged by Endo), Tourstage (Endo foged), Beres (Cast but then forged (struck twice) - formforged you might say) and Srixon (I believe Srixon does it's own forgings like Mizuno).

This has to do with Miura using spin welded hosels - but some of us actually thinks this process makes Miura irons what they are - the best irons ever made. Some thinks this makes them more harsh feeling (and saves Miura $100.000 pr. forged iron model). I just know for a fact that Miura US Cb-301 are softer than Mizuno RETAIL Mp-32 and Mp-60. Cb-201 are a bit more clicky, but not by much - maybe on par with Mizuno Retail or a bit more clicky.

So we're talking small minor differences in feel here.

 

Titleist Endo forgings and Bridgestone Endo forgings are WAY more clicky in feel than all of the above mentioned. Tourstage Endo forgings are either made in a different forging plant or made with a different finish, which also has a lot to say when evaluating the softness of a certain given set of forged irons.

 

Hope this helped you a bit ;)

 

For the record and to spice up the forged debate - a cast iron can actually feel much softer than any forged iron if you make it the right way and use the right steel and finish. A guy in here have owned the old great Maxfli Australian Blade, which I think was cast and felt softer than anyhting forged ever made. The same goes for Fourteens irons. They can make a cast set of irons which actually feels softer than the softest forged carbon steel 1020 iron head. Beres Honma irons are also cast and feels extremely soft.

Go figure that out (cool)

 

 

Thanks for the info....

 

So if I understand, the 301's are softer than the 201's?

 

I really like the 'traditional' look of the 301's, but the 201's look a little more forgiving. Would you say so?

 

My other real concern.....how does the PW look?

 

I can't stand an ugly PW!

 

Thanks again!

 

I find the Cb-301 marginally more forgiving than the Cb-201 - but it's a close call.

They are close to being equally forgiving.

 

The PW looks a bit round on both Cb-201 and Cb-301.

[Putt4doh]

Is one PW better looking than the other?

 

and

 

Do either look 'cut off' or angular? I really need a more rounded looking PW, even if the whole club is longer.

[AltusBeliever]

I have the 301s. Got them from Paul at Shreveport Golf. I love them. Feel is so soft. They are not the most forgiving irons in the world, but they shouldn't be. High, low, left, right- no problem . Where the softness is most helpful is in the chipping IMO. PW is beautiful. I think the 301s look better than the 201s. The Miura Gikens really look good in pictures.

You can't go wrong with Miuras.

[Viking Golfer]

Is one PW better looking than the other?

 

and

 

Do either look 'cut off' or angular? I really need a more rounded looking PW, even if the whole club is longer.

 

Then the PW in the Cb-301 and Cb-201 is just what you are looking for :)

I can't explain in detail how they look - you have have to see for yourself really.

 

What looks round to one person is not so round looking to another person.......go figure :)

[Viking Golfer]

I have the 301s. Got them from Paul at Shreveport Golf. I love them. Feel is so soft. They are not the most forgiving irons in the world, but they shouldn't be. High, low, left, right- no problem . Where the softness is most helpful is in the chipping IMO. PW is beautiful. I think the 301s look better than the 201s. The Miura Gikens really look good in pictures.

You can't go wrong with Miuras.

 

Hey Miura brother :)

 

I like the Cb-301 design better than both the Cb-1006 and Cb-201.

Some say the design is an old Macgregor design from the 80's, which Miura forged for Macgregor back then - I don't care, because this design is the best I've ever experienced in an iron head to date :)

[Putt4doh]

I have the 301s. Got them from Paul at Shreveport Golf. I love them. Feel is so soft. They are not the most forgiving irons in the world, but they shouldn't be. High, low, left, right- no problem . Where the softness is most helpful is in the chipping IMO. PW is beautiful. I think the 301s look better than the 201s. The Miura Gikens really look good in pictures.

You can't go wrong with Miuras.

 

Hey Miura brother :)

 

I like the Cb-301 design better than both the Cb-1006 and Cb-201.

Some say the design is an old Macgregor design from the 80's, which Miura forged for Macgregor back then - I don't care, because this design is the best I've ever experienced in an iron head to date :)

 

 

 

So, are the old MacGregors that look like 301's actually Miura forged?

 

If not, they look an aweful lot alike to not be 'related' somehow....

 

Can anyone verify?

[LysleE]

About a month ago I purchased a set of Miura 301s from Paul at Shreveport Golf...I had them shafted with the TT Tour Concepts, which results in a nicely balanced, smooth combination...not to mention soft. While they are not as forgiving as my previous sets...when my swing goes into a funk I switch to my Miura MC 101s.

 

I don't think you can go wrong with Miura period...and while you're trying their clubs try their wedges; they kicked my Zodia's out to the bag and now they are looking for a new home.

 

Good luck,

 

Lysle

[Viking Golfer]

 

So, are the old MacGregors that look like 301's actually Miura forged?

 

If not, they look an aweful lot alike to not be 'related' somehow....

 

Can anyone verify?

 

Yes, the old Macgregor irons were indeed Miura forged.

The Cb-301's are not perfect copies of them but they do resemble them quite a bit.

 

As the other Cb-301 owners say, you can't go wrong with this iron - the closest you'll get to a blade and still play with a pretty forgiving CB ironhead.

I also like the Miura logo used in the Cb-301 irons. It's the only iron model from Miura where this logo is used:

 

Check them out:

 

 

 

The top iron in the pic is the PW, then the 9 iron in the middle and then a 4 iron.

[Putt4doh]

Claus,

 

You've won me over. 301's it is!

 

Those sticks are just too pretty and I definitely like the shape of the 301's better than the 201s. What is it about most of the OEM's? Do most golfers prefer a boxy/angular shape clubhead?

 

Definitely a nice touch--that Miura logo in the cavity of the 301. I don't think I would have noticed that.

 

One last question, how do you found the amount of bounce on the 301s to play? Based on their specs, they've got tons of bounce.

[Viking Golfer]

Claus,

 

You've won me over. 301's it is!

 

Those sticks are just too pretty and I definitely like the shape of the 301's better than the 201s. What is it about most of the OEM's? Do most golfers prefer a boxy/angular shape clubhead?

 

Definitely a nice touch--that Miura logo in the cavity of the 301. I don't think I would have noticed that.

 

One last question, how do you found the amount of bounce on the 301s to play? Based on their specs, they've got tons of bounce.

 

Yeahh...they felt like the Cb-301 had more bounce than the Cb-201 and especially the Japanese Miura Giken Cb-1006, which will tend to dig on fat shots.

But the Cb-301 still needs a solid stroke to perform - this is NOT a game-improvement iron :)

I'm sorry the last picture does not work - here you can clearly see the PW up against the 9 iron and the 4 iron.

 

The PW has indeed got a rounder head shape.

[Viking Golfer]

Miura Cb-301 in Hipchecks bag back when he had some proper irons in his bag :)

[Putt4doh]

Ok, so I picked up a set of MacGregor PCB Tours (the ones that look exactly like the 301's). All I can say is WOW ! These things are 'double-churned, soft buttery smoothness'!

 

If this is what Miura feels like....I need more!

 

But I dont' like the setup of the Mac's...too much offset. My question now is:

 

What is the offset on the 301's like? Can anyone compare it to the amount of offest in the PCB Tours?

 

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

[SwingMan]

Is one PW better looking than the other?

 

and

 

Do either look 'cut off' or angular? I really need a more rounded looking PW, even if the whole club is longer.

 

 

Having owned the 201s and 301s like Claus, I agree with most of his comments.

 

I do like the PW of the 301 more.

 

I will add to Claus' comments by saying the 301s have a thinner top line but are marginally longer heel to toe -- and are more asthetically pleasing as well as more forgiving than the 201s. Neither iron has much offset or bounce when playing.

 

As to feel, I won't use the word "clicky" because I've hit Endos and they are "clicky." I'd say the 201s give a more direct, firm feel than the 301s and are very solid. The 301s are solid yet buttery-like in feel, esp. when paired with Nippon 1150s. The 201s feel more like precise, surgical instruments while the 301s have a softer, solid feel.

 

Because of the relatively thin soles, these clubs are imho for those who are good ball strikers or have a more shallow swing. If you are steep and not a good ballstriker, there is not a lot of bounce to help you.

 

Great irons -- I've had the 301s for about 20 months. But I go 6-PW and use Bobby Jones Hybrids in a 21 and 25 to supplement the set.

[HipCheck]

Miura Cb-301 in Hipchecks bag back when he had some proper irons in his bag :crazy:

 

To quote choeppner, LOL!!! How did I miss this???

 

Here's some more...

 

 

 

 

[Putt4doh]

All I have to say.....

 

 

:crazy: ;)

 

 

Oh my word, those are the most beautiful irons I've ever seen....they look perfect.

[daf455]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh those are the most beautiful irons I've ever seen. :crazy:

[2zlinks]

Paul at Shreveport Golf is building me a set as we speak. Can't wait to see them. To answer an ealier question the 301 have 3.2mm offset in the 3-5, 2.7mm in the 6-9, and 1.2mm in the pitching wedge, and I agree with what Claus said earlier, the way Miura has designed these the offset is barely noticeable.

[Viking Golfer]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh those are the most beautiful irons I've ever seen.

 

Koudros to Hipchecks camera and camera skills too

 

I agree - I'll never sell my Cb-301 irons.

These irons are a work of art - like the perfect supermodel with the perfect body and face

 

I already have two sets of them - and will probably order a third set.

The third set will be for my 'museum bag' which will pose in the living room along some great looking driver and woods and classic forged wedges ;)

 

When people visit me and see the great looking bag and the brand new unused golf gear - they might ask me "don't you play, how come they look brand new and unused ?"

 

I'll reply: "I'm the perfect golfer - I always strike the ball pure and shallow, so you won't ever see any kind of wear on my golf gear" :crazy:

[Viking Golfer]

All I have to say.....

 

 

;)

 

 

Oh my word, those are the most beautiful irons I've ever seen....they look perfect.

 

So how do the Cb-301 look in comparison to the MacGregor PCB Tours ????

 

As the other Miura owners state - Cb-301 might have somewhat more offset than Cb-201 on paper, but in reality the offset is hidden very well. A brilliant head design by Miura in my view :crazy:

[LysleE]

Paul at Shreveport Golf is building me a set as we speak. Can't wait to see them. To answer an ealier question the 301 have 3.2mm offset in the 3-5, 2.7mm in the 6-9, and 1.2mm in the pitching wedge, and I agree with what Claus said earlier, the way Miura has designed these the offset is barely noticeable.

 

 

You will love them...Paul does great work. He built me a set of 301s with TT Tour Concepts and they are simply beautiful sticks. I'm also having Paul build me a set of 101s to take the place of my beloved TS-202s.

 

Enjoy those irons.

 

LysleE

[Putt4doh]

All I have to say.....

 

 

;)

 

 

Oh my word, those are the most beautiful irons I've ever seen....they look perfect.

 

So how do the Cb-301 look in comparison to the MacGregor PCB Tours ????

 

As the other Miura owners state - Cb-301 might have somewhat more offset than Cb-201 on paper, but in reality the offset is hidden very well. A brilliant head design by Miura in my view :crazy:

 

 

From the pics here of the 301's, there appeas to be much less offset in the 301's. Heck the PCB's have MUCH more offest than either my MP32's or i506's. To my eye, it's just too much...

 

I'm hoping the 301s have considerably less than the PCB's. Here's pic of the PCB 6i at address....

 

What do you think more than the 301s?

[HipCheck]

Yes, Miuras are certainly works of art as much as they are top-notch clubs. Thanks for the camera/photo complements. Here's one 'address' shot...

 

 

[chasm]

Still annoyed that they won't make the 301s for left handers....

 

even when the North American VP is a lefty himself.

 

Any more lefties out there to help bring some pressure to bear and persuade Miura to look after us too?

[Putt4doh]

Yes, Miuras are certainly works of art as much as they are top-notch clubs. Thanks for the camera/photo complements. Here's one 'address' shot...

 

 

 

 

Oh my, these are perfect!

 

Must buy a set.... :crazy:

[lonestarjtm]

Question for who plays the cb301's. I read where the offset was mentioned and how you can't tell. Is that just in looks or playablity? I have played blades for most of my life but love the looks of these and wouldn't mind a tad of forgivness. Are you still able to work the balla s well and are they easy to keep the ball down? Thanks for your help.

[Viking Golfer]

Question for who plays the cb301's. I read where the offset was mentioned and how you can't tell. Is that just in looks or playablity? I have played blades for most of my life but love the looks of these and wouldn't mind a tad of forgivness. Are you still able to work the balla s well and are they easy to keep the ball down? Thanks for your help.

 

I can work the ball almost anyway I like it with my Cb-301 - but I won't lie to you ;)

 

I would say that you still would experience a bit more workability in a sharp small blade head - but also far less forgiveness. It's all a matter of what you expect and what you will be able to live with in the long run.

 

You can't have a forgiving forged cavity back that will work the ball as easy as a small forged blade, and you can't have a small blade with the same amount of forgiveness as in a cavity back iron head - but the Miura Cb-301 is probably the closest you'll get to a blade with some forgiveness built in the clubhead and still with lots of workability :crazy: