SkyPro - really impressive

[TheBigGun]

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[quote name='GolfMonster2' timestamp='1370593097' post='7187372']
Had a good session at the range and the device worked perfectly. However, I am a little concerned about the absolute data values as my impression was that the face angle readings were too closed. For the halfway back image below, skypro says

Takeaway angle = 0 degrees (i.e. directly parallel to target line)
Face angle 15 degrees closed

To me it appears as though the clubhead is clearly outside the hands while the face is only very marginally closed?
I was really careful making sure the face was aiming down the target line at address. My feet are also direstly parallel with the target line.

Also, from the front-on view I have a swing which extends just short of parallel to the ground, but skypro says 22 degrees to parallel (to the ground)??

What to people think? Gord, are you confident about the factory calibration/accuracy?

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I agree with you. I think the absolute data calibration is significantly off. Both issues you mention, "face angle" and how far the swing extends in relation to parallel, are way off on my SkyPro. I've never been to parallel in my life and SkyPro is showing me there ... & there's no way my face angle is so closed to the targe line, as evidenced by my actual ball flight.
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I've only used it once but when I look back at my data I get the same feeling relating to club parallel and path on the way back, and I too tried to ensure the face was pointing at the target as I see how this can throw everything off. It's for this reason that I'm really leaning towards the swingbyte with their target alignment feature. I think that will be the one way to truly get accurate data which you can trust.

They're all great bits of kit but the last thing you want is false data.
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Swingbyte doesn't have a target alignment feature, other than for taking video.
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It's going to be in the next app update I believe and was shown at the PGA show. I think they call it target line recognition.

[swingnmiss]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1370602533' post='7187538']
Swingbyte doesn't have a target alignment feature, other than for taking video.
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Interesting, I was told otherwise in another thread. I thought the alignment was used for measurement too.

[Cardigans]

Gord, I sent you an email. The Skypro app will not let me send an invalid swing.

[GolfMonster2]

OK thanks Gord. I will do another test in daylight and post the video and data.

[GolfMonster2]

Ok here is another .

Skypro says for takeaway position, shaft 2 degrees inside and face 19 degrees closed.

and for the top of backswing 25 degrees to parallel???

Anyway, I don't think it is a major - I know that about 15 degrees closed is where I want to be.

I found another useful tool. Just leave it on swing mode and at the top of backswing position. Each new swing will show me instantly whether I have got my shaft on plane or crossing the line (I try to have it facing left of target all the way until just short of the parallel with ground position - that way I have a much better ds plane).

I couldn't work out how to change the club specs??

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[Wedgefromhere]

Hey Gord,

My numbers are about what I expected, except for the shaft lean, both at address and impact. I kept getting an alert that my shaft lean was very far forward at address (it was usually 8 - 9 degrees). I was hitting a 7-iron, in which I play the ball in the middle of my stance and my hands were right in front of my zipper. I wouldn't normally be concerned because I know a lot of times what I think is happening and really is happening are two different things. However, the shaft lean was about 9 - 11 degrees forward at impact, but I know from video that I cast the club in the downswing the shaft lean is backwards at impact.

Any idea why this might happen? Could it be that I'm calibrating it incorrectly (e.g. holding the iphone crossways instead of longways, or vice versa)?

Also, do you think you put something in groove mode that could sense casting of the club at the start of the downswing?

Thanks for you continued help.

[BrianL99]

[quote name='Wedgefromhere' timestamp='1370708171' post='7195518']
Hey Gord,

My numbers are about what I expected, except for the shaft lean, both at address and impact. I kept getting an alert that my shaft lean was very far forward at address (it was usually 8 - 9 degrees). I was hitting a 7-iron, in which I play the ball in the middle of my stance and my hands were right in front of my zipper. I wouldn't normally be concerned because I know a lot of times what I think is happening and really is happening are two different things. However, the shaft lean was about 9 - 11 degrees forward at impact, but I know from video that I cast the club in the downswing the shaft lean is backwards at impact.

Any idea why this might happen? Could it be that I'm calibrating it incorrectly (e.g. holding the iphone crossways instead of longways, or vice versa)?

Also, do you think you put something in groove mode that could sense casting of the club at the start of the downswing?

Thanks for you continued help.
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I'm getting inaccurate readings on shaft lean, also ... not even close.

[swingnmiss]

How are you guys analyzing swing plane with this thing? What do you look for? My problem is not getting my hands high enough and my swing plane is too shallow. How do you figure this out with skyPro? I can do this with video but I must be missing something.

[BrianL99]

[quote name='swingnmiss' timestamp='1370740797' post='7197474']
How are you guys analyzing swing plane with this thing? What do you look for? My problem is not getting my hands high enough and my swing plane is too shallow. How do you figure this out with skyPro? I can do this with video but I must be missing something.
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Take this for what it's worth ... the old, "you get what you pay for theory".

If your swing plane is too shallow, the club is likely getting behind you (I can relate, that's my big problem). The SkyPro shows a visual representation of your Swing Plane ... you should be able to see where the plane extends ... either shallow and behind you or steeper and higher. I'm trying to get my swingplane more upright, so the visual representation will show the club closer to "over my shoulder", rather than way behind me. Does that make sense?

[swingnmiss]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1370744963' post='7197846']
[quote name='swingnmiss' timestamp='1370740797' post='7197474']
How are you guys analyzing swing plane with this thing? What do you look for? My problem is not getting my hands high enough and my swing plane is too shallow. How do you figure this out with skyPro? I can do this with video but I must be missing something.
[/quote]

Take this for what it's worth ... the old, "you get what you pay for theory".

If your swing plane is too shallow, the club is likely getting behind you (I can relate, that's my big problem). The SkyPro shows a visual representation of your Swing Plane ... you should be able to see where the plane extends ... either shallow and behind you or steeper and higher. I'm trying to get my swingplane more upright, so the visual representation will show the club closer to "over my shoulder", rather than way behind me. Does that make sense?
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I guess my problem is that the visual representation as it relates to my swing doesn't seem accurate. A perfectly on-plane swing still looks like it is too much around my body on the visual representation. I'm also trying to do exactly what you mentioned in terms of a more upright plane. I want to use the skyPro to help develop my feel for this more upright plane.

[gparke]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Hi Guys,[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]GolfMonster2: thanks for the pictures and videos. If you'd mind emailing me some of your swings (I'll PM you my address) I'd like to go through and take a look at what's happnening Nice swing btw.[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Wedgefromhere & BrianL99: one possible cause could be the target line. I find that You can test this by trying a swing opening or closing the face more than normal and see if it changes the results. Sounds like this is an area I'll have to look into further, so please let me know what you find out. We've been thinking about detecting and groove a casting motion. It won't be in the next update, but it is in the works.[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Gord [/size][/color]

[Mizgoodie]

something I haven't needed as the battery has never run out. but while in the app , either a drop down or alerts at 20 15 10 5 well you get it thanks... my unit has been working great day one..

[96p993]

I know this isnt a big one on the list of changes but is there any way we could get the figure to disappear on the 3D swing. Since he is static during the swing I find him simply in the way.

[ChiTown]

Hey Gord- my unit is working just the way I hoped it would. It's great. Any idea when a software update will be available that picks up contact with a plastic ball? Thanks for all of your updates...very helpful!

[Wedgefromhere]

[quote name='gparke' timestamp='1370748889' post='7198148']
[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Hi Guys,[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]GolfMonster2: thanks for the pictures and videos. If you'd mind emailing me some of your swings (I'll PM you my address) I'd like to go through and take a look at what's happnening Nice swing btw.[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Wedgefromhere & BrianL99: one possible cause could be the target line. I find that You can test this by trying a swing opening or closing the face more than normal and see if it changes the results. Sounds like this is an area I'll have to look into further, so please let me know what you find out. We've been thinking about detecting and groove a casting motion. It won't be in the next update, but it is in the works.[/size][/color]

[color=#5A5A5A][size=3]Gord [/size][/color]
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That seems to be it. When I setup with a closed clubface and swung, it said the shaft lean was even more forward at 13*. When I set up and took a swing with the clubface open at address, the shaft lean was 0*.

[swingnmiss]

Gord,

There is a definite issue with taking swings when the app is not in the foreground. I'm not sure how you guys transfer the swings when the app is in the background because sometimes when I take swings and switch back to the app I see the new swings appear without prompting but other times it asks if I want to transfer swings. I also notice when the app is in the background it definitely does not capture all the swings I take.

[i*windows]

windows phone, windows rt, windows support would be very nice. not everyone likes/has iPhone or Android devices

[kevnixon]

Just ordered mine as it has hit the shelves in uk. Will post review in a few days

[Rswank]

Just got mine today, charging now really excited to see if it lives up to the hype.

[D473N]

I just picked my SkyPro up yesturday and I am having calibration issues.. Has anyone had skypro say it's a different club with calibrating? For example, when I calibrate my 5 iron, it says 6 iron. Seems to always be 1 club less on any of my irons. I had my angles rechecked and the head bent 1.5 degrees upright at the start of the year so the faces should be fine. I can't see how all of them would be out if that was the case. The results are consistent so I don't know if my irons are out, I am calibrating wrong (don't see how since its pretty straight forward) or purely a faulty product. I have tried it both on an ipad and iphone with same results. Anyone with similar results/fixes?
Thanks

[Wedgefromhere]

[quote name='D473N' timestamp='1371314885' post='7248798']
I just picked my SkyPro up yesturday and I am having calibration issues.. Has anyone had skypro say it's a different club with calibrating? For example, when I calibrate my 5 iron, it says 6 iron. Seems to always be 1 club less on any of my irons. I had my angles rechecked and the head bent 1.5 degrees upright at the start of the year so the faces should be fine. I can't see how all of them would be out if that was the case. The results are consistent so I don't know if my irons are out, I am calibrating wrong (don't see how since its pretty straight forward) or purely a faulty product. I have tried it both on an ipad and iphone with same results. Anyone with similar results/fixes?
Thanks
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You have the opportunity to select the club right after you calibrate it, so if it comes up off by one, just select the right club before you start swinging. I think it's "smart" enough to get it right in the future after you do it once.

[s34nsm411]

I was thinking of picking one of these up from golfsmith but I want to make sure I get the v2 version. Do you guys know if any version 1's with the overtightening issue were sent to retailers like golfsmith? Or is there any way of telling which is which?

[rossonero]

So people out there - have this device helped your swing since you bought it. And did it show faults you newer have seen before through normal video´s of your swing ?

I am thinking about buying such thing, just to get some data about my swing. But than again - how reliable are these data and will I ever trust data that comes from the device. I think it is for sure a technologi that will stay, but it is maybe not accurate enough?

What is your experience regarding this device ?

[GolfMonster2]

It is very accurate. The absolute numbers may be a little off, but swing to swing I believe they are very accurate and that's all that really matters. You should verify with video for best results. I know I need to achieve a closed face angle of 15 degrees to achieve a toe up position at the shaft horizontal takeaway position.

I use it at present for that and to also check my shaft direction at the top. I don't reach parallel so I aim to have the shaft pointing left of parallel (my fault is crossing the line from insufficient right shoulder external rotation). I reckon it has halved the time it takes me to check this with each swing. I have the ipad directly in front on top of my golf bag and so I get the feedback immediately after each swing without having to touch anything (just set to top of backswing position).

I am currently combining this with MTRx to improve my downswing and I think my swing progress as increased significantly.


Newbie: I would just state on the order that you don't want the faulty first batch and get them to agree to a refund in advance if it breaks. My one separated like the previous reports but I successfully resealed with superglue. Haven't had any subsequent problems in about 400+ balls.

[Wedgefromhere]

[quote name='rossonero' timestamp='1371726074' post='7288470']
So people out there - have this device helped your swing since you bought it. And did it show faults you newer have seen before through normal video´s of your swing ?

I am thinking about buying such thing, just to get some data about my swing. But than again - how reliable are these data and will I ever trust data that comes from the device. I think it is for sure a technologi that will stay, but it is maybe not accurate enough?

What is your experience regarding this device ?
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The SkyPro is just one tool (other tools are lessons with Monte, video, and education such as this forum) I'm using to get better, so it's hard to attribute improvement to any one thing, but I feel they're all valuable and playing a part in my development.

Based on my other "tools", I'd say it's pretty accurate, with one exception being shaft lean for my iron shots. I always get an alert that it's too far forward at address and sometimes at impact (and I'm a caster). I've brought this to Gord's attention and I think he will be investigating it further at some point.

For the driver, I rarely get an alert and just this past week Monte told me my driver is looking pretty good (he also said I have issues with the irons) so I feel pretty confident it's accurate for that. I also had my longest drive ever on Tuesday of 290 yards and had a 12 foot putt for eagle on a par 5....yeah I missed the putt, but that's anotehr issue I'll address later. Also for the driver, I usually use the SwingPro for swing speed and just check that the club path is doing what I think it is.

One thing that I'd like the SkyPro to detect is if I'm throwing the club to start the downswing. This is a big problem with my irons, but not as much with the driver. This is something that Gord said may come down the road, but not with the next update. I'm anxious to see what's in the next update of the app, as Gord has indicated there will be some good stuff that people have been asking for.

Bottom line is that it's what was advertised and will only get better. Since I got it a few weeks ago, I use it during most every practice session and analyze the data afterwards.

[Wedgefromhere]

[quote name='s34nsm411' timestamp='1371708341' post='7288044']
I was thinking of picking one of these up from golfsmith but I want to make sure I get the v2 version. Do you guys know if any version 1's with the overtightening issue were sent to retailers like golfsmith? Or is there any way of telling which is which?
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The safe thing is to just order it through the SkyGolf website. I wouldn't take a chance on buying it from a retailer.

[jnradioactive]

[quote name='i*windows' timestamp='1370876272' post='7204998']
windows phone, windows rt, windows support would be very nice. not everyone likes/has iPhone or Android devices
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There is no android support yet, need that 1st...

[vinerino]

[quote name='TheBigGun' timestamp='1370629981' post='7190768']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1370602533' post='7187538']
[quote name='TheBigGun' timestamp='1370599787' post='7187454']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1370597939' post='7187430']
[quote name='GolfMonster2' timestamp='1370593097' post='7187372']
Had a good session at the range and the device worked perfectly. However, I am a little concerned about the absolute data values as my impression was that the face angle readings were too closed. For the halfway back image below, skypro says

Takeaway angle = 0 degrees (i.e. directly parallel to target line)
Face angle 15 degrees closed

To me it appears as though the clubhead is clearly outside the hands while the face is only very marginally closed?
I was really careful making sure the face was aiming down the target line at address. My feet are also direstly parallel with the target line.

Also, from the front-on view I have a swing which extends just short of parallel to the ground, but skypro says 22 degrees to parallel (to the ground)??

What to people think? Gord, are you confident about the factory calibration/accuracy?

[/quote]

I agree with you. I think the absolute data calibration is significantly off. Both issues you mention, "face angle" and how far the swing extends in relation to parallel, are way off on my SkyPro. I've never been to parallel in my life and SkyPro is showing me there ... & there's no way my face angle is so closed to the targe line, as evidenced by my actual ball flight.
[/quote]

I've only used it once but when I look back at my data I get the same feeling relating to club parallel and path on the way back, and I too tried to ensure the face was pointing at the target as I see how this can throw everything off. It's for this reason that I'm really leaning towards the swingbyte with their target alignment feature. I think that will be the one way to truly get accurate data which you can trust.

They're all great bits of kit but the last thing you want is false data.
[/quote]

Swingbyte doesn't have a target alignment feature, other than for taking video.
[/quote]

It's going to be in the next app update I believe and was shown at the PGA show. I think they call it target line recognition.
[/quote]I too am having this problem and not sure if it relates to my alignment
No matter what I do my swing comes way inside -30 degrees for driver, -20 for 7 iron, even when i attempt to swing outside to in.
When swing sayd -20 degrees halfback, my swing is paralle to the ground and aligned with my feet. Am i expected to keep club straight back as i am turning. Would feel quite uncomfortable or disconnected. i know this is a major flaw in my swing but trying to find the truth

[vinerino]

Trying to understand what is considered the norm for halfback on 7 iron or driver.
Skypro shows i come over the top.
When looking at plane, it seems they are telling you to bring it straight back and then follow thru is from inside to out.
I have tried to do this in a dramtaic fashion with no success.
Are all swings different (Furyk)and thus this info is merely a guide?

[swingnmiss]

Am I the only one that can't figure out how to use this for checking if your swing plane is ok? It seems that way so can someone tell me how they are verifying swing plane?