Rocketbladz tour - "B" Version

[Dave Feldman]

[quote name='Zach Heusser' timestamp='1360980690' post='6437537']
[quote name='Dave Feldman' timestamp='1360975793' post='6437067']
I would love to see a set of B's for the new irons. I have 3 sets and love them all.

Pics:
Japan B's
TP B's
R9 B's

Would definitely pick up a set.
[/quote]
Doc your the Man!, I forgot you had those Tour Preferred B's. Break them out on Sunday when we play the Shore Course.
[/quote]

Fo Sho. Gonna be fun!

[scratchswinger]

[quote name='whatshannenin' timestamp='1360978429' post='6437291']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1360973402' post='6436843']
[quote name='Big Ben' timestamp='1360962954' post='6436009']
To add confusion you would have folks requesting VERY specific specs like 8.7 actual loft 1.5* open etc etc. Under warranty they really do not want to deal with V3 blah blah blah either as it would be so specialized might be difficult to replace...BB
[/quote]

it was my understanding taylormade doesnt sell the tour heads to any re sellers anymore, i remember some time ago a guy owned a golf website (like WRX) and taylormade sold him their old tour heads and he made a killing on them, then they said they stopped selling him heads. does anyone know for a fact if TM does sell their tour issue stuff to re sellers? i say re sellers because when i say retailers i think of the big box stores. i know will peoples says he gets them from tour players not necessarily from TM directly. or am i wrong? do we just assume TM sells them because they make it to market? im just a bit confused. it would explain why they dont warranty them, because they dont intend them to get into the publics hands. anybody have info?
[/quote]

There are a couple of people who still buy the "old stock" for example niblick99 on ebay usually gets all of the current years stuff late in the year. For example when they went with the White heads a couple years ago, he received every black head, such as all of the Superfast 282 Long Hosels and the other heads that went with those product lines. Right now he has all of last years RBZ woods, R11s v2, RBZ fwy P and S heads etc usually raw unbuilt and in the spec stickers. That makes sense that Taylormade would sell off all of the "old" heads to make room for the new heads but also maybe recoup costs for clubs that they would basically throw away. They clear the heads from the trailers because when a player goes into one, they want him hitting the most current stuff.....not allowing him the option to choose an older head. They will in some cases hold onto a few old heads for specific players that don't like to change that often but it's almost a requirement to switch to the most recent stuff to maintain staff agreements with Taylormade.....some guys just take longer to convert, but they almost always do. It is more so enforced with woods than it is with irons, that's why you still see R9 B's, MC's, and in some cases the Tour Preferred TP B heads on tour.

The mentioned other site that used to buy current heads and make a killing was bombsquad, but they kind of went through some changes and never fully recovered to what they once were. There are plenty of discussions (some which have been closed) documenting some of the stuff that lead to their downfall. One of the reasons that hurt them too, was that more people were able to get Tour heads. The Tour vs Retail debate has been going on for sooooooo long. How heads are leaked into the market is never the same. Sometimes companies do sell certain amounts to certain people and that is where you see raw in spec sticker heads....in most cases. Sometimes players give assembled clubs to caddies or don't use them and give them to their buddies and they in turn sell them. Some companies don't really mind, but in other cases how the heads are acquired is borderline illegal. Another thing to note is that sometimes defect heads that are way over the limit or way under the limit on the CT scale are given to the outlets without them knowing. It is my understanding that raw unweighted, unshafted heads are usually "stolen" or acquired in a shady manner if not directly purchased through the company. There used to be employees for certain OEM's that would specifically watch all the resell areas and in some cases buy the Tour heads to prevent them from getting into the normal consumers hands. The Tour equipment market is a little dicey for that very reason, that is why you see these sellers who sometimes get the clubs in a shady manner not fully revealing the full TXXXXX serial for fear of it being traced back through the system. I don't think all OEM's track the stuff like they used to, but there has been some cases where Tour players have gotten in trouble for selling Tour goods. Scotty Cameron, Titleist, and Callaway used to be REALLY strict about it, but now with how social media and photos have been popping up....it's becoming more of a hassle for them track, I think. When buying Tour Equipment, you do assume the risk that the head could be way out of spec, tests over the CT limit, weighted crazy with hotmelt and could end up failing to which you aren't covered under any warranty. Another reason why the Tour market is very grey. Tour Equipment is just as it is titled for Tour players, High profile amateurs and college players. The people who it is actually created for and issued to don't have any issues with warranty, but if it is acquired from a reseller sometimes the company takes the stance of, it was acquired in some unethical way. For that reason it has been rumored that some OEM's confiscate these heads and usually don't warranty it or if they do, they replace it with a standard retail head. Shaft companies like Matrix, send out specific flyers to their accounts stating that if you acquire a new shaft that is raw, uncut and uninstalled from a Tour avenue that they deem it as stolen goods and if they choose to can pull your account and seek legal charges. How much or how little it is policed is still unknown. Will Peoples seems to be the only reseller that I know of that warranties Tour Issue products and that's a pretty rare trait in that market. There are decent sellers out there who do buy clubs or at least used to from OEM's, Will Peoples to my knowledge is one of them and he is a sponsor here so that adds some validity too. I hope some people are a little more aware of what they are getting into when seeking that rare Tour Only club.

Side note: There are cases where players give their clubs to auctions for charities, but most likely they inform their companies of their intentions. There was a really crazy story of a former Tour Rep for Titleist selling Tiger Woods alledged major victory irons....he had to sell them on some oddball auction site because Titleist shut him down on ebay and all the forums, if I remember correctly.
[/quote]

That's called dropping knowledge.

[TheMoneyShot]

[quote name='Dave Feldman' timestamp='1360975793' post='6437067']
I would love to see a set of B's for the new irons. I have 3 sets and love them all.

Pics:
Japan B's
TP B's
R9 B's

Would definitely pick up a set.
[/quote]

All three are great iron sets!!!

[Scott@84]

I still regret unloading my R9 TP Bs, great irons. One set in refuse to get rid of is my 08 Forged TPs I played a lot of really good golf with those.

[whatshannenin]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1360991089' post='6438527']
[quote name='whatshannenin' timestamp='1360978429' post='6437291']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1360973402' post='6436843']
[quote name='Big Ben' timestamp='1360962954' post='6436009']
To add confusion you would have folks requesting VERY specific specs like 8.7 actual loft 1.5* open etc etc. Under warranty they really do not want to deal with V3 blah blah blah either as it would be so specialized might be difficult to replace...BB
[/quote]

it was my understanding taylormade doesnt sell the tour heads to any re sellers anymore, i remember some time ago a guy owned a golf website (like WRX) and taylormade sold him their old tour heads and he made a killing on them, then they said they stopped selling him heads. does anyone know for a fact if TM does sell their tour issue stuff to re sellers? i say re sellers because when i say retailers i think of the big box stores. i know will peoples says he gets them from tour players not necessarily from TM directly. or am i wrong? do we just assume TM sells them because they make it to market? im just a bit confused. it would explain why they dont warranty them, because they dont intend them to get into the publics hands. anybody have info?
[/quote]

There are a couple of people who still buy the "old stock" for example niblick99 on ebay usually gets all of the current years stuff late in the year. For example when they went with the White heads a couple years ago, he received every black head, such as all of the Superfast 282 Long Hosels and the other heads that went with those product lines. Right now he has all of last years RBZ woods, R11s v2, RBZ fwy P and S heads etc usually raw unbuilt and in the spec stickers. That makes sense that Taylormade would sell off all of the "old" heads to make room for the new heads but also maybe recoup costs for clubs that they would basically throw away. They clear the heads from the trailers because when a player goes into one, they want him hitting the most current stuff.....not allowing him the option to choose an older head. They will in some cases hold onto a few old heads for specific players that don't like to change that often but it's almost a requirement to switch to the most recent stuff to maintain staff agreements with Taylormade.....some guys just take longer to convert, but they almost always do. It is more so enforced with woods than it is with irons, that's why you still see R9 B's, MC's, and in some cases the Tour Preferred TP B heads on tour.

The mentioned other site that used to buy current heads and make a killing was bombsquad, but they kind of went through some changes and never fully recovered to what they once were. There are plenty of discussions (some which have been closed) documenting some of the stuff that lead to their downfall. One of the reasons that hurt them too, was that more people were able to get Tour heads. The Tour vs Retail debate has been going on for sooooooo long. How heads are leaked into the market is never the same. Sometimes companies do sell certain amounts to certain people and that is where you see raw in spec sticker heads....in most cases. Sometimes players give assembled clubs to caddies or don't use them and give them to their buddies and they in turn sell them. Some companies don't really mind, but in other cases how the heads are acquired is borderline illegal. Another thing to note is that sometimes defect heads that are way over the limit or way under the limit on the CT scale are given to the outlets without them knowing. It is my understanding that raw unweighted, unshafted heads are usually "stolen" or acquired in a shady manner if not directly purchased through the company. There used to be employees for certain OEM's that would specifically watch all the resell areas and in some cases buy the Tour heads to prevent them from getting into the normal consumers hands. The Tour equipment market is a little dicey for that very reason, that is why you see these sellers who sometimes get the clubs in a shady manner not fully revealing the full TXXXXX serial for fear of it being traced back through the system. I don't think all OEM's track the stuff like they used to, but there has been some cases where Tour players have gotten in trouble for selling Tour goods. Scotty Cameron, Titleist, and Callaway used to be REALLY strict about it, but now with how social media and photos have been popping up....it's becoming more of a hassle for them track, I think. When buying Tour Equipment, you do assume the risk that the head could be way out of spec, tests over the CT limit, weighted crazy with hotmelt and could end up failing to which you aren't covered under any warranty. Another reason why the Tour market is very grey. Tour Equipment is just as it is titled for Tour players, High profile amateurs and college players. The people who it is actually created for and issued to don't have any issues with warranty, but if it is acquired from a reseller sometimes the company takes the stance of, it was acquired in some unethical way. For that reason it has been rumored that some OEM's confiscate these heads and usually don't warranty it or if they do, they replace it with a standard retail head. Shaft companies like Matrix, send out specific flyers to their accounts stating that if you acquire a new shaft that is raw, uncut and uninstalled from a Tour avenue that they deem it as stolen goods and if they choose to can pull your account and seek legal charges. How much or how little it is policed is still unknown. Will Peoples seems to be the only reseller that I know of that warranties Tour Issue products and that's a pretty rare trait in that market. There are decent sellers out there who do buy clubs or at least used to from OEM's, Will Peoples to my knowledge is one of them and he is a sponsor here so that adds some validity too. I hope some people are a little more aware of what they are getting into when seeking that rare Tour Only club.

Side note: There are cases where players give their clubs to auctions for charities, but most likely they inform their companies of their intentions. There was a really crazy story of a former Tour Rep for Titleist selling Tiger Woods alledged major victory irons....he had to sell them on some oddball auction site because Titleist shut him down on ebay and all the forums, if I remember correctly.
[/quote]

That's called dropping knowledge.
[/quote]

I tried my best to stay on topic without throwing anyone under the bus (other than that known Tour rep for Titleist) and giving some insight (not all....there's plenty more to the story, but not exactly open forum discussion) into where some of the stuff comes from, since CP asked. That is all for now.



Where are these pics of the B heads already?!? This is Golfwrx!

[scratchswinger]

You can PM me the rest

[OB ReT Hit 3]

This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1360991089' post='6438527']
[quote name='whatshannenin' timestamp='1360978429' post='6437291']
[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1360973402' post='6436843']
[quote name='Big Ben' timestamp='1360962954' post='6436009']
To add confusion you would have folks requesting VERY specific specs like 8.7 actual loft 1.5* open etc etc. Under warranty they really do not want to deal with V3 blah blah blah either as it would be so specialized might be difficult to replace...BB
[/quote]

it was my understanding taylormade doesnt sell the tour heads to any re sellers anymore, i remember some time ago a guy owned a golf website (like WRX) and taylormade sold him their old tour heads and he made a killing on them, then they said they stopped selling him heads. does anyone know for a fact if TM does sell their tour issue stuff to re sellers? i say re sellers because when i say retailers i think of the big box stores. i know will peoples says he gets them from tour players not necessarily from TM directly. or am i wrong? do we just assume TM sells them because they make it to market? im just a bit confused. it would explain why they dont warranty them, because they dont intend them to get into the publics hands. anybody have info?
[/quote]

There are a couple of people who still buy the "old stock" for example niblick99 on ebay usually gets all of the current years stuff late in the year. For example when they went with the White heads a couple years ago, he received every black head, such as all of the Superfast 282 Long Hosels and the other heads that went with those product lines. Right now he has all of last years RBZ woods, R11s v2, RBZ fwy P and S heads etc usually raw unbuilt and in the spec stickers. That makes sense that Taylormade would sell off all of the "old" heads to make room for the new heads but also maybe recoup costs for clubs that they would basically throw away. They clear the heads from the trailers because when a player goes into one, they want him hitting the most current stuff.....not allowing him the option to choose an older head. They will in some cases hold onto a few old heads for specific players that don't like to change that often but it's almost a requirement to switch to the most recent stuff to maintain staff agreements with Taylormade.....some guys just take longer to convert, but they almost always do. It is more so enforced with woods than it is with irons, that's why you still see R9 B's, MC's, and in some cases the Tour Preferred TP B heads on tour.

The mentioned other site that used to buy current heads and make a killing was bombsquad, but they kind of went through some changes and never fully recovered to what they once were. There are plenty of discussions (some which have been closed) documenting some of the stuff that lead to their downfall. One of the reasons that hurt them too, was that more people were able to get Tour heads. The Tour vs Retail debate has been going on for sooooooo long. How heads are leaked into the market is never the same. Sometimes companies do sell certain amounts to certain people and that is where you see raw in spec sticker heads....in most cases. Sometimes players give assembled clubs to caddies or don't use them and give them to their buddies and they in turn sell them. Some companies don't really mind, but in other cases how the heads are acquired is borderline illegal. Another thing to note is that sometimes defect heads that are way over the limit or way under the limit on the CT scale are given to the outlets without them knowing. It is my understanding that raw unweighted, unshafted heads are usually "stolen" or acquired in a shady manner if not directly purchased through the company. There used to be employees for certain OEM's that would specifically watch all the resell areas and in some cases buy the Tour heads to prevent them from getting into the normal consumers hands. The Tour equipment market is a little dicey for that very reason, that is why you see these sellers who sometimes get the clubs in a shady manner not fully revealing the full TXXXXX serial for fear of it being traced back through the system. I don't think all OEM's track the stuff like they used to, but there has been some cases where Tour players have gotten in trouble for selling Tour goods. Scotty Cameron, Titleist, and Callaway used to be REALLY strict about it, but now with how social media and photos have been popping up....it's becoming more of a hassle for them track, I think. When buying Tour Equipment, you do assume the risk that the head could be way out of spec, tests over the CT limit, weighted crazy with hotmelt and could end up failing to which you aren't covered under any warranty. Another reason why the Tour market is very grey. Tour Equipment is just as it is titled for Tour players, High profile amateurs and college players. The people who it is actually created for and issued to don't have any issues with warranty, but if it is acquired from a reseller sometimes the company takes the stance of, it was acquired in some unethical way. For that reason it has been rumored that some OEM's confiscate these heads and usually don't warranty it or if they do, they replace it with a standard retail head. Shaft companies like Matrix, send out specific flyers to their accounts stating that if you acquire a new shaft that is raw, uncut and uninstalled from a Tour avenue that they deem it as stolen goods and if they choose to can pull your account and seek legal charges. How much or how little it is policed is still unknown. Will Peoples seems to be the only reseller that I know of that warranties Tour Issue products and that's a pretty rare trait in that market. There are decent sellers out there who do buy clubs or at least used to from OEM's, Will Peoples to my knowledge is one of them and he is a sponsor here so that adds some validity too. I hope some people are a little more aware of what they are getting into when seeking that rare Tour Only club.

Side note: There are cases where players give their clubs to auctions for charities, but most likely they inform their companies of their intentions. There was a really crazy story of a former Tour Rep for Titleist selling Tiger Woods alledged major victory irons....he had to sell them on some oddball auction site because Titleist shut him down on ebay and all the forums, if I remember correctly.
[/quote]

That's called dropping knowledge.
[/quote]

haha seriously, next time ill ask a "simpler" question

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

alright sign me up, i want some

[OB ReT Hit 3]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1361020955' post='6439107']
[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

alright sign me up, i want some
[/quote]

They look good. Hopefully I can get better pics this weekend.

[TheMoneyShot]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

Very nice! I will be in for a set if they release them!

[geauxWRX]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote][quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

I want! Any way to get a set of heads only?

[BillyBaroo1985]

My biggest problem with TM is that they put crap grips on their clubs. Also there shaft options are to light and to long in length. Nobody needs a 46 inch driver.

[TLfan]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

VERY VERY VERY NICE

[deck]

To my eye the cavity looks a little wider in the b version

[Imp]

[quote name='BillyBaroo1985' timestamp='1361025697' post='6439429']
My biggest problem with TM is that they put crap grips on their clubs. Also there shaft options are to light and to long in length. Nobody needs a 46 inch driver.
[/quote]Pardon the interruption... what does a thread about irons have to do with their driver offerings? At that, there's plenty of various ordering options one can do when not just picking something off the rack. (and having a grip changed by the reseller is only slightly more expensive than ordering a club shipped with the grip you would like). It's a non-argument and have no idea why you had to bring that up...

Regarding the irons... If one orders the Rocketbladez or Rocketbladez Tours through the TM website or reseller/retailer, and simply doesn't pick from off the shelf, you can choose not only from a large variety of grips but also a bunch of shaft options, lengths, etc...

--kC
(p.s.: If you hate the grips, then you must not like Lamkins, because that's who makes them)

[Big Ben]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1361027799' post='6439599']
To my eye the cavity looks a little wider in the b version
[/quote]It's probably because the overall blade length is smaller so it appears to the eye to be that way, nice find this is a set of irons man, now that I know they exist I wouldn't in a billion years settle for the retail Tours, the quest begins. Taylormade makes some sweet equipment...for the Pro's! BB

[ragweed10]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL
AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

If possible please get some address angle comparison picks too. Thanks for the info!!

[youngwaldo]

Sign me up for a set

[TheMoneyShot]

I wonder if Will People's will be able to land some if these heads?

[Imp]

[quote name='youngwaldo' timestamp='1361029804' post='6439751']
Sign me up for a set
[/quote]Ditto!!

--kC

[Riuzzi]

[quote name='OB ReT Hit 3' timestamp='1361019936' post='6439053']
This is best I could do right now. Crap iphone pic. This is a retail 4 iron the front and the "B" in the background. I have heard that this "b" will called the "F" version but that is a TOTAL rumor.

AS you can see the cavity and back and different.

Hope this settles 5 pages of BS.
[/quote]

They look sweet! Thanks for the pic

[Dave Feldman]

Great looking iron. The head looks compact and shorter than the retail. Is that true or just the pic angle?

I'm down for a set for sure. Guess I'll be getting at least 2 sets of irons. The "Tour" and the "B/F" set.

Thanks for the pic and can't wait to see more!

[deck]

I also like the fact they took the outline in black out of the b version of the cavity.

[cogi59]

Those look great! I really hope the do a limited release of these, I will definitely pick up a set if they do!

[whatshannenin]

Heel looks different on sole and back of club. The toe looks more snub or sharp....almost like a Miura iron shape. The cavity above where it says Rbladez doesn't look like it has the diagonal milled like lines either. Top line, doesn't appear that much thinner but it's tough to tell. Let the games begin.....

[MCoz]

Strong misc language.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

It does seem interesting though that TM would "hand mill" sets for a mentioned 2.3 handicap.....even more interesting that they would for the hundreds of pros they have on staff that may or may not use the Rocketbladez. Maybe the proto's were "hand milled" but I find it very hard that each and every Rocketbladez are going through a manual Bridgeport mill or something of the like in manual feed...which we be "hand milled". I'm sure what they meant to inform you CP, was that they were fly cut milled faces which is done after the casting, form forging or forging....similar to Vokey. Plenty of irons, wedges (including the old Y cutter TM Tour wedges) were fly cut milled. But that was my old info....maybe that's changed.

 

haha so im not really sure why this turned into a hand milled for me debate? anyway yes our clubs are milled differently then the clubs that are out on the shelf. whether they are hand milled or not, i dont know, i thought i remember someone telling they were. it doesnt really matter. ours are milled across the whole face, the ones on the shelf are just milled through the grooves. not on the toe, the toe is all chrome from off the shelf. ours were set aside from the tour department for the 5 guys who would end up winning the trip. again im not really sure why this came up but yeah i hope that helps explain it a bit, not trying to brag or anything. just a bit confused why this even came up

TO ALL:

I believe all of the first run of the Tour models were milled across the entire face. The set I was playing in December and January were!

The first runs are small production runs similar to when B set are made usually less than 2000 sets. The full production runs are much larger and produced in higher volume often on machines with different tooling. These smaller runs are spec'd out the same and they really no better in performance than the larger runs.

These people that think that the production models of the standard RBladz are cheap copies have it all backwards. The original designs with this technology were not a tour version, they were of the standard model. The Tours (and any other later variations are really copies of the original standard model which CAME FIRST

This is also true for the R1. The variations don't really perform better overall, in fact they usually are more restricted than the club that is made for a wider range of user. Tour players are creatures of habit for the most part. The better the player the less they want to change. And for some the new clubs are longer than they want or are used to and more forgiving and thus less workable than what they were using before. The rest of us (I include myself, a + HDCPer) usually welcome any new technology to help to make up for not being able to play and practice every day of the year. For someone like Dustin Johnson the RBZ 3wd was too long to use in play thus last year he used a Tour 4wd instead. This year he is using an R11 3wd because it fits the gaps in his game best. On the other hand Phil uses the RBZ bent to 11.5* to in effect give him an alternate "driver" (which interestingly helps out his "driving" stats!).

[Big Ben]

Great info MCoz, appreciated! Then again, you are a TM insider, go back and tell the Bossez we want the Bezzzzz...BB

[MCoz]

[quote name='Big Ben' timestamp='1361053428' post='6441467']
Great info MCoz, appreciated! Then again, you are a TM insider, go back and tell the Bossez we want the Bezzzzz...BB
[/quote]
Well while I do have a lot of "insider" info and I do know the those people, I am not a "TM" person, per se. I am close with numerous golf companies. Afterall depending on where I am playing and in what conditions I may have clubs from 3 to 5 different companys in my bag.
As one who has an R9 TP - B set with quite a few rounds on them, I would like to try a B set of the RBladz also. In fact a year ago I was talking to key people involved in the development of these clubs (which took a long time to bring to the market) and I expessed my desires to do a non offset once they perfected the concept. It isn't as simple as taking an R9 and cutting a slot in the sole. Also the metals required have to be somewhat different.
But I am with you here.

[easyyy]

I didn't think the milled on the toe on the early set wasn't out for all of us the talk about. The early runs had a milled face on the tours. I can remember seeing them at the kingdom back before the holidays.

I also remember seeing pics of non milled faces and immediately asked why. I was told they removed the milled due to quality concerns over something that didn't mean much to me at the time... Hence I forgot the reason. But I do know they removed it to to increase the cpk of the process and at the end less variation.

I didn't think much about it. As a matter of fact I didn't like it. They only milled the toe area beyond the satin grooved area. I have never seen that before and I didn't care for it.