Faldo Wrist Pre-set Drill

[msd71]

I've been working on the Faldo / Leadbetter wrist pre-set drill (fully set the wrists at address so the shaft is parallel to the target line, then simply turn shoulders to swing back and through). When I hit balls this way, it has a drastic effect on my striking: better tempo, no overswing, better shaft lean at impact, penetrating ball flight that goes just as far as a normal swing with seemingly no effort. So far I have hit three or four hundred balls this way. However, as soon as I try to go back to a normal swing, it all goes out the window.

 

Has anyone used this drill and seen a real change in their normal swing? Do I just need to give it more time? Will it eventually trickle down to my regular swing? I'm almost tempted to use it on the course. (In fact, I have!)

 

Thanks for any input...

 

 

Edit: Here is the drill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hXYA-SJyPs

[rankoutsider]

I use it all the time and it really helps my regular swing, but it does take a lot of time for the feel to migrate into the full swing. With the 8,9,PW, there is no doubt that I hit the ball consistently much better with the Faldo drill than with my full swing (I've thought about taking this swing to the course for the short clubs, and still may, as you say in your post). Anything longer than that, and I block it with the Faldo some of the time.

Getting the most out of it requires a lot of trial and error in the self-monitoring department. I was performing a few moves in the backswing that were working against good contact, and it has taken a fair while to isolate them and get more of the feel at the top that I get with this great drill. I am of the view that it is the single most important drill any player can use. I also do it with my gyroswing and it works very well with that.

[TheBigGun]

I love this drill too and also have great success with it. I do however then have a better normal swing afterwards as it's a bit more dynamic, obviously still focussing on the position it gets me in at the top of the backswing.

You have to make sure the first part of the takeaway is outside the hands/on plane though otherwise you get more lifting at the end rather than the synced up turn that you're getting with the drill. The thing I love about the drill is that I only really hit good shots with a good deep turn and a nice tempo coming through.

I have also thought about playing that swing....maybe it can become the "go to" 8 iron!

[JLew]

I'm working on this same exact thing. When I hit balls with the drill, they are almost all pure (my main problem right now is too much arm overrun in the backswing and wrist cup with a backswing that was sucking inside, I end up OTT with early extension).

I've definitely had the thought "screw it, I'm just going to play golf this way". In fact, I'm heading on a golf trip with a buddy and I asked him if we would double the total strokes bet if I played with the drill on all full shots. I may play better

I think I have it worked into my full swing, kind of an aha moment the other day. I think of my backswing as kind of two "parts". The first part is the initial takeway, my only focus is not sucking inside and getting to the point of wrist c0ck. From that point, the second part is just the Faldo drill. Feels great.

When I'm hitting balls, I start out doing the drill for a bit to get the feeling down, then I transition to a kind of exagerrated two part swing where I pause for a split second at the end of the first part to check position then proceeed. Then, finally, I smooth it out into the regular swing. We'll see how well it translates to the course this week.

[carrera]

For what it's worth, I think Nick Price hit 800 shots per day, for several weeks, doing the pre-set drill when he first started working with Leadbetter. He said he wore out the sweet spot, doing this so many times. So that means that it takes a LOT of reps by even someone as talented as Price to make the most of the drill.

[jackstraw20]

I'm exactly the same - feel great using the Faldo drill but having a hard time transitioning the feel to my full swing. Two things I realized and am working on:

1. When using the Faldo drill I maintain my right wrist hinge through impact far, far better. Full swing I tend to release early. It feels almost like my wrist c0ck "rebounds" too early on the full swings. Fix: I'm now focusing on returning my hands to the address position (or further forward/left) at impact. It also kind of feels like my hands are tethered to a line projecting straight out from my inner left (front) thigh/groin for the first 12" or so of the backswing, or in other words, don't let your hands move "behind" the belly button.

2. When using the Faldo drill I initiate my pivot/backswing with my left quad. On full swings, I tend to start everything back with my left tricep/shoulder. Fix: Focus on the feeling that initiates your backswing when using the Faldo drill, then try to replicate that feeling to initiate your full swings. I think by taking the clubhead momentum out of the equation, it forces a more pivot driven turn.

Interested to hear any thoughts on those things I'm feeling.

[MonteScheinblum]

It might help to go to an extreme with that drill like I did in this video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHuriFgW2E&sns=em

[Sabre3]

I love using it. I combined it with another of monte's videos where he talks about the lead arm being parallel to the target line half way back. So I preset the hands and club, then have my lead arm follow the club back. Like I am drawing a straight line. Once I get to the top I stop and keep doing it to feel that top position. Then I try and replicate that position from a normal starting position. The key for me is that lead arm going back and up that line and then setting the wrists like I had them in the preset drill. I stop at the top and keep doing it.

After a bunch of those I then go to the top then turn my belt buckle towards the target while letting my arms drop a bit to get that feeling of starting with my lower half and not hitting from the top.

Just keep doing it over and over. I hit shots from here as well, kind of like a pump drill.

[upanddown]

Re Faldo drill.. I was given it at a lesson... hit it so well doing the drill I played half a season with it. Challenge sometimes is getting started and a good rhythm from that static position.

[Cwebb]

[quote name='upanddown' timestamp='1363890353' post='6658689']
Re Faldo drill.. I was given it at a lesson... hit it so well doing the drill I played half a season with it. Challenge sometimes is getting started and a good rhythm from that static position.
[/quote]

Faldo does a mini forward pump to create flow and rhythm from that pre-set position. He doesn't say anything about it, but you can see him do it in his video demonstration

[tfstone]

I have just rediscovered this "old" drill. It is indeed crazy how pure one hits shots with it. I am tempted to hit 100-200 hundred balls a day for a month to get it ingrained into my full swing. Glad to see I am not the only one abiding by this drill.

[tfstone]

Looks like Poulter is also using that drill. From this weeks "Playing lessons" on Golfchannel. Watch at 0:45 mark. http://www.golfchannel.com/media/playing-lessons-ian-poulter-last-shots-041513/

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='tfstone' timestamp='1366194625' post='6863183']
Looks like Poulter is also using that drill. From this weeks "Playing lessons" on Golfchannel. Watch at 0:45 mark. http://www.golfchannel.com/media/playing-lessons-ian-poulter-last-shots-041513/
[/quote]
Once Slicefixer suggested that someday you would see players on the tour using this driil on the course.
Golfers who have trouble with the takeaway and rotating the left forearm might want to think about using this drill on the course as a substitute for their regular swing
This drill along with the drill of hitting balls with your feet close together.should be performed at least periodically by every golfer.

[Sabre3]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366205065' post='6863779']
[quote name='tfstone' timestamp='1366194625' post='6863183']
Looks like Poulter is also using that drill. From this weeks "Playing lessons" on Golfchannel. Watch at 0:45 mark. http://www.golfchannel.com/media/playing-lessons-ian-poulter-last-shots-041513/
[/quote]
Once Slicefixer suggested that someday you would see players on the tour using this driil on the course.
Golfers who have trouble with the takeaway and rotating the left forearm might want to think about using this drill on the course as a substitute for their regular swing
This drill along with the drill of hitting balls with your feet close together.should be performed at least periodically by every golfer.
[/quote]If you saw the show, he said he flushes it like that but would never play that way due to being a traditionalist (or some other description). Holly asked if he could be guaranteed a major playing that way if he would do it and he couldn't answer.

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='Sabre3' timestamp='1366205414' post='6863811']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366205065' post='6863779']
[quote name='tfstone' timestamp='1366194625' post='6863183']
Looks like Poulter is also using that drill. From this weeks "Playing lessons" on Golfchannel. Watch at 0:45 mark. http://www.golfchannel.com/media/playing-lessons-ian-poulter-last-shots-041513/
[/quote]
Once Slicefixer suggested that someday you would see players on the tour using this driil on the course.
Golfers who have trouble with the takeaway and rotating the left forearm might want to think about using this drill on the course as a substitute for their regular swing
This drill along with the drill of hitting balls with your feet close together.should be performed at least periodically by every golfer.
[/quote]If you saw the show, he said he flushes it like that but would never play that way due to being a traditionalist (or some other description). Holly asked if he could be guaranteed a major playing that way if he would do it and he couldn't answer.
[/quote]
I saw the video and was surprised that he left that possibility open.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='msd71' timestamp='1362875303' post='6580203']
I've been working on the Faldo / Leadbetter wrist pre-set drill (fully set the wrists at address so the shaft is parallel to the target line, then simply turn shoulders to swing back and through). When I hit balls this way, it has a drastic effect on my striking: better tempo, no overswing, better shaft lean at impact, penetrating ball flight that goes just as far as a normal swing with seemingly no effort. So far I have hit three or four hundred balls this way. However, as soon as I try to go back to a normal swing, it all goes out the window.

Has anyone used this drill and seen a real change in their normal swing? Do I just need to give it more time? Will it eventually trickle down to my regular swing? I'm almost tempted to use it on the course. (In fact, I have!)

Thanks for any input...


Edit: Here is the drill: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hXYA-SJyPs[/media]
[/quote]

I used to use this drill religiously...and fall back to using it whenever there's a backswing plane problem I need to fix.

But the drill's not magic.

What it does is ISOLATE the body motion for the backswing by "pre-setting" the arms in the proper position that they would be at the top of the swing. So when using the drill concentrate on the motion your body makes in its turn, and concentrate on the FEEL of your upper arms remaining CONNECTED to your body's rotation. The impact of maintaining that connection and having your arms and body working in proper sequence/synchrony that is creating the changes you are seeing in your ballflight.

I would also work on the "towel drill" from that same video (if you've only seen it on YouTube, I'm sure that someone else has posted it). Where Faldo puts a beach/bath towel in both armpits and then practices hitting 3/4 shots. This drill is the reverse of "pre-set drill" This time you fix the arm connection by holding the bath towel in your armpits, while your work on the sensation of allowing the arms to respond and ROTATE properly with the body's rotation in the backswing.

If you do these drill AND pay attention to the sensations associated with the proper technique they are trying to engrain, then replicate those sensations with your full swing....you will see definite improvement.

If you like these drills, then I would pick up a copy of Faldo's "A Swing For Life". They just published an updated version of the book this past fall. The book reviews all of Faldo's takes on the swing he learned from Leadbetter, and his approach to playing golf and the short game. Lots of drills and pictures in the book.

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366207967' post='6864051']
[quote name='msd71' timestamp='1362875303' post='6580203']
I've been working on the Faldo / Leadbetter wrist pre-set drill (fully set the wrists at address so the shaft is parallel to the target line, then simply turn shoulders to swing back and through). When I hit balls this way, it has a drastic effect on my striking: better tempo, no overswing, better shaft lean at impact, penetrating ball flight that goes just as far as a normal swing with seemingly no effort. So far I have hit three or four hundred balls this way. However, as soon as I try to go back to a normal swing, it all goes out the window.

Has anyone used this drill and seen a real change in their normal swing? Do I just need to give it more time? Will it eventually trickle down to my regular swing? I'm almost tempted to use it on the course. (In fact, I have!)

Thanks for any input...


Edit: Here is the drill: [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hXYA-SJyPs[/media]
[/quote]

I used to use this drill religiously...and fall back to using it whenever there's a backswing plane problem I need to fix.

But the drill's not magic.

What it does is ISOLATE the body motion for the backswing by "pre-setting" the arms in the proper position that they would be at the top of the swing. So when using the drill concentrate on the motion your body makes in its turn, and concentrate on the FEEL of your upper arms remaining CONNECTED to your body's rotation. The impact of maintaining that connection and having your arms and body working in proper sequence/synchrony that is creating the changes you are seeing in your ballflight.

I would also work on the "towel drill" from that same video (if you've only seen it on YouTube, I'm sure that someone else has posted it). Where Faldo puts a beach/bath towel in both armpits and then practices hitting 3/4 shots. This drill is the reverse of "pre-set drill" This time you fix the arm connection by holding the bath towel in your armpits, while your work on the sensation of allowing the arms to respond and ROTATE properly with the body's rotation in the backswing.

If you do these drill AND pay attention to the sensations associated with the proper technique they are trying to engrain, then replicate those sensations with your full swing....you will see definite improvement.

If you like these drills, then I would pick up a copy of Faldo's "A Swing For Life". They just published an updated version of the book this past fall. The book reviews all of Faldo's takes on the swing he learned from Leadbetter, and his approach to playing golf and the short game. Lots of drills and pictures in the book.
[/quote]
The advantage of this drill is that the takeaway is eliminated and that the left forearm is already prerotated the requisite 1/4 turn ..Then all you have do going back is turn your core

[kellygreen]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366208469' post='6864099']
The advantage of this drill is that the takeaway is eliminated and that the left forearm is already prerotated the requisite 1/4 turn ..Then all you have do going back is turn your core
[/quote]

Agreed. But if you also have a problem with settting-and-rotating the club properly, this drill won't fix it. You'll still have that problem (and a problematic swing) even if you master what the drill is trying to teach, but then go back to your regular full swing.

That was the point I was trying to emphasize, and why I also recommended the towel drill. So that he could also work on "rotate-and-set" without having to worry about maintaining connection....and build an overall improved backswing motion.

[nowayjoze]

I read an article where Ian Poulter implements this into his full swing and it has helped me tremendously. I believe he presets as his wrist passes his right knee which is similar to this drill but molded into your full swing.

This has helped me from over swinging and keeping the club head from going pass parallel.

Edit: Found the article. Golf Digest warning, but it has personally helped me out a huge amount. One of those aha moments.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2011-01/steal-feel-poulter

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366210183' post='6864309']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366208469' post='6864099']
The advantage of this drill is that the takeaway is eliminated and that the left forearm is already prerotated the requisite 1/4 turn ..Then all you have do going back is turn your core
[/quote]

Agreed. But if you also have a problem with settting-and-rotating the club properly, this drill won't fix it. You'll still have that problem (and a problematic swing) even if you master what the drill is trying to teach, but then go back to your regular full swing.

That was the point I was trying to emphasize, and why I also recommended the towel drill. So that he could also work on "rotate-and-set" without having to worry about maintaining connection....and build an overall improved backswing motion.
[/quote]
Will this drill teach a golfer to make a proper takeaway and rotate the shaft properly in a regular swing.NO.But the takeaway is the bane of many golfers and the proper way to rotate going back is another problematic area.Eliminating these two problems will allow the golfer to focus on the development/feel of the proper coil going back and the proper position of the wrists/forearms at the top.Many golfers with such poor takeaways and and incorrect forearm rotation going back are never able to achieve even this ,because their flawed takeaway /forearm rotation makes it impossible to do so
You can easily combine both drills by placing a 1/2 credit card deep inside your left armpit and not dropping it until well after impact.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366211365' post='6864483']
Maybe we are having a problem in semantics.If the wrists are already set to their max and the left forearm is already prerotated,which will eliminate any need to rotate the club going back,how can there be further problems in this regard? Will this drill teach a golfer to make a proper takeaway and rotate the shaft properly in a regular swing.NO.But since the takeaway is the bane of many golfers and the proper way to rotate the going back is another problematic area,it will allow the golfer to develop/feel the correct rotation going back and the feel of correct position of the wrists /forearm at the top
As a suggestion setup in the staring position of the Faldo drill and combine both drills by placing 1/2 credit card deep inside your left armpit and do not drop it until well after impact.
[/quote]

No, semantic problem at all. You are answering ONE of the questions that the OP had (what do you think of the drill?). I'm trying to answer [i]BOTH [/i]questions he had:

[i]What do you think of the drill, and why isn't my regular swing incorporating the improvements in mechanics and ballflight that I see when I'm doing the drill?[/i]

So I'm also trying to explain to the OP why he might not be seeing the kind of improvement he wants when he switches from doing the drill---which we both agree upon what it does for the player---[b][i]and goes back to his normal swing. [/i][/b]The problem may be:

1. He hasn't properly identified and engrained the feel of the correct mechanics the drill is trying to isolate for him, or (the point we are disagreeing about)...

2. [i][b]The problem with his normal swing is in the takeaway, and the rotating-and-setting of the arms.[/b][/i] (As you mentioned, it can be the bane of many a golfer, especially if the arms get disconnected from the body very early on) So when the drill isn't doing this FOR him, he winds up in a bad position, and the problems he is trying to fix re-emerge. [i][b]Because he hasn't mastered how to BLEND rotation of the arms and the setting of the wrists into a motion where the body turns and the upper arms stay connected[/b][/i]...

...and the pre-set drill alone, won't teach him how to do it. It just BYPASSES that problem, by fixing the proper end point at address.

I suggested that he ALSO work with the towel drill because it will isolate his arms in the take away and give him an opportunity to identify and work on any problems that might be in that part of his backswing. (Such as allowing the left arm to come away from the body, rolling the club inside, and then lifting it to the top...)

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366212861' post='6864653']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366211365' post='6864483']
Maybe we are having a problem in semantics.If the wrists are already set to their max and the left forearm is already prerotated,which will eliminate any need to rotate the club going back,how can there be further problems in this regard? Will this drill teach a golfer to make a proper takeaway and rotate the shaft properly in a regular swing.NO.But since the takeaway is the bane of many golfers and the proper way to rotate the going back is another problematic area,it will allow the golfer to develop/feel the correct rotation going back and the feel of correct position of the wrists /forearm at the top
As a suggestion setup in the staring position of the Faldo drill and combine both drills by placing 1/2 credit card deep inside your left armpit and do not drop it until well after impact.
[/quote]

No, semantic problem at all. You are answering ONE of the questions that the OP had (what do you think of the drill?). I'm trying to answer [i]BOTH [/i]questions he had:

[i]What do you think of the drill, and why isn't my regular swing incorporating the improvements in mechanics and ballflight that I see when I'm doing the drill?[/i]

So I'm also trying to explain to the OP why he might not be seeing the kind of improvement he wants when he switches from doing the drill---which we both agree upon what it does for the player---[b][i]and goes back to his normal swing. [/i][/b]The problem may be:

1. He hasn't properly identified and engrained the feel of the correct mechanics the drill is trying to isolate for him, or (the point we are disagreeing about)...

2. [i][b]The problem with his normal swing is in the takeaway, and the rotating-and-setting of the arms.[/b][/i] (As you mentioned, it can be the bane of many a golfer, especially if the arms get disconnected from the body very early on) So when the drill isn't doing this FOR him, he winds up in a bad position, and the problems he is trying to fix re-emerge. [i][b]Because he hasn't mastered how to BLEND rotation of the arms and the setting of the wrists into a motion where the body turns and the upper arms stay connected[/b][/i]...

...and the pre-set drill alone, won't teach him how to do it. It just BYPASSES that problem, by fixing the proper end point at address.

I suggested that he ALSO work with the towel drill because it will isolate his arms in the take away and give him an opportunity to identify and work on any problems that might be in that part of his backswing. (Such as allowing the left arm to come away from the body, rolling the club inside, and then lifting it to the top...)
[/quote]
I changed my post when i realized that it did not communicate my ideas properly .Forget about the post that you quoted . and read my new one

[kellygreen]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366213263' post='6864695']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366212861' post='6864653']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366211365' post='6864483']
Maybe we are having a problem in semantics.If the wrists are already set to their max and the left forearm is already prerotated,which will eliminate any need to rotate the club going back,how can there be further problems in this regard? Will this drill teach a golfer to make a proper takeaway and rotate the shaft properly in a regular swing.NO.But since the takeaway is the bane of many golfers and the proper way to rotate the going back is another problematic area,it will allow the golfer to develop/feel the correct rotation going back and the feel of correct position of the wrists /forearm at the top
As a suggestion setup in the staring position of the Faldo drill and combine both drills by placing 1/2 credit card deep inside your left armpit and do not drop it until well after impact.
[/quote]

No, semantic problem at all. You are answering ONE of the questions that the OP had (what do you think of the drill?). I'm trying to answer [i]BOTH [/i]questions he had:

[i]What do you think of the drill, and why isn't my regular swing incorporating the improvements in mechanics and ballflight that I see when I'm doing the drill?[/i]

So I'm also trying to explain to the OP why he might not be seeing the kind of improvement he wants when he switches from doing the drill---which we both agree upon what it does for the player---[b][i]and goes back to his normal swing. [/i][/b]The problem may be:

1. He hasn't properly identified and engrained the feel of the correct mechanics the drill is trying to isolate for him, or (the point we are disagreeing about)...

2. [i][b]The problem with his normal swing is in the takeaway, and the rotating-and-setting of the arms.[/b][/i] (As you mentioned, it can be the bane of many a golfer, especially if the arms get disconnected from the body very early on) So when the drill isn't doing this FOR him, he winds up in a bad position, and the problems he is trying to fix re-emerge. [i][b]Because he hasn't mastered how to BLEND rotation of the arms and the setting of the wrists into a motion where the body turns and the upper arms stay connected[/b][/i]...

...and the pre-set drill alone, won't teach him how to do it. It just BYPASSES that problem, by fixing the proper end point at address.

I suggested that he ALSO work with the towel drill because it will isolate his arms in the take away and give him an opportunity to identify and work on any problems that might be in that part of his backswing. (Such as allowing the left arm to come away from the body, rolling the club inside, and then lifting it to the top...)
[/quote]
I changed my post when i realized that it did not communicate my ideas properly .Forget about the post that you quoted . and read my new one
[/quote]

I'm not seeing any area where we are in disagreement, then.

The pre-set drill puts the player in the proper "rotate-and-set" positio they would be in at the top of the swing...allowing them to feel a proper body coil and proper arm connection. But it doesn't FIX the problems with the takeaway, it just bypasses them. So when a player working with this drill can still have problems with the mechanics of their regular swing because of takeway-related problems.

I suggested the towel drill because---imo---a lot of take away and early back swing problems result either from poor body motion (which the pre-set drill works with) [b][i]or early disconnection of the arms and body coil[/i][/b]. Which the towel drill prevents. So once the towel drill forces the player to maintain proper connection, the player can now isolate and work with the proper rotating of the arms and the setting of the wrists needed to get the club on the proper backswing plane.

...and like you suggest, I believe that the TWO drills together (pre-set and towel) offer the best combination of drills to teach someone the feel of a proper, on-plane backswing.

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366214348' post='6864799']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366213263' post='6864695']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366212861' post='6864653']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366211365' post='6864483']
Maybe we are having a problem in semantics.If the wrists are already set to their max and the left forearm is already prerotated,which will eliminate any need to rotate the club going back,how can there be further problems in this regard? Will this drill teach a golfer to make a proper takeaway and rotate the shaft properly in a regular swing.NO.But since the takeaway is the bane of many golfers and the proper way to rotate the going back is another problematic area,it will allow the golfer to develop/feel the correct rotation going back and the feel of correct position of the wrists /forearm at the top
As a suggestion setup in the staring position of the Faldo drill and combine both drills by placing 1/2 credit card deep inside your left armpit and do not drop it until well after impact.
[/quote]

No, semantic problem at all. You are answering ONE of the questions that the OP had (what do you think of the drill?). I'm trying to answer [i]BOTH [/i]questions he had:

[i]What do you think of the drill, and why isn't my regular swing incorporating the improvements in mechanics and ballflight that I see when I'm doing the drill?[/i]

So I'm also trying to explain to the OP why he might not be seeing the kind of improvement he wants when he switches from doing the drill---which we both agree upon what it does for the player---[b][i]and goes back to his normal swing. [/i][/b]The problem may be:

1. He hasn't properly identified and engrained the feel of the correct mechanics the drill is trying to isolate for him, or (the point we are disagreeing about)...

2. [i][b]The problem with his normal swing is in the takeaway, and the rotating-and-setting of the arms.[/b][/i] (As you mentioned, it can be the bane of many a golfer, especially if the arms get disconnected from the body very early on) So when the drill isn't doing this FOR him, he winds up in a bad position, and the problems he is trying to fix re-emerge. [i][b]Because he hasn't mastered how to BLEND rotation of the arms and the setting of the wrists into a motion where the body turns and the upper arms stay connected[/b][/i]...

...and the pre-set drill alone, won't teach him how to do it. It just BYPASSES that problem, by fixing the proper end point at address.

I suggested that he ALSO work with the towel drill because it will isolate his arms in the take away and give him an opportunity to identify and work on any problems that might be in that part of his backswing. (Such as allowing the left arm to come away from the body, rolling the club inside, and then lifting it to the top...)
[/quote]
I changed my post when i realized that it did not communicate my ideas properly .Forget about the post that you quoted . and read my new one
[/quote]

I'm not seeing any area where we are in disagreement, then.

The pre-set drill puts the player in the proper "rotate-and-set" positio they would be in at the top of the swing...allowing them to feel a proper body coil and proper arm connection. But it doesn't FIX the problems with the takeaway, it just bypasses them. So when a player working with this drill can still have problems with the mechanics of their regular swing because of takeway-related problems.

I suggested the towel drill because---imo---a lot of take away and early back swing problems result either from poor body motion (which the pre-set drill works with) [b][i]or early disconnection of the arms and body coil[/i][/b]. Which the towel drill prevents. So once the towel drill forces the player to maintain proper connection, the player can now isolate and work with the proper rotating of the arms and the setting of the wrists needed to get the club on the proper backswing plane.

...and like you suggest, I believe that the TWO drills together (pre-set and towel) offer the best combination of drills to teach someone the feel of a proper, on-plane backswing.
[/quote]
For many golfers bypassing the takeaway may be the ticket for much better results

[kellygreen]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366217009' post='6865041']
For many golfers bypassing the takeaway may be the ticket for much better results
[/quote]

[i]Hard to argue with that......[/i]

[hoselrocketman]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366221537' post='6865505']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366217009' post='6865041']
For many golfers bypassing the takeaway may be the ticket for much better results
[/quote]

[i]Hard to argue with that......[/i]
[/quote]
I have always had a problem with the takeaway in that I whip it inside and under the plane but I eventually get the club in a pretty good position at the top (or it is slightly across the line). I also usually get the club in pretty good position on the way down until my hands are about even with my waist and then I ALWAYS dump all the leverage and flip it worse than anyone ever has in recorded history! My hands are always behind the ball at impact. That is the main reason I read this thread with the preset drill because I thought that this drill might teach me to feel the proper impact position by beginning the "swing" at waist high still fully set with the wrists. I am guessing that I will not be able to make good contact unless I get my hips to turn out of the way to make room for my hands to rotate the clubface square at impact and that the time it will take to do that will necessarily force my hands to be in front of the ball with the proper shaft lean. Does anyone of you knowledgable people (Russc, kellygreen) understand what I am trying to say and do you agree with my prognostication or am I still out to lunch on this one.?!

[russc1597187869]

[quote name='hoselrocketman' timestamp='1366310119' post='6872615']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1366221537' post='6865505']
[quote name='russc' timestamp='1366217009' post='6865041']
For many golfers bypassing the takeaway may be the ticket for much better results
[/quote]

[i]Hard to argue with that......[/i]
[/quote]
I have always had a problem with the takeaway in that I whip it inside and under the plane but I eventually get the club in a pretty good position at the top (or it is slightly across the line). I also usually get the club in pretty good position on the way down until my hands are about even with my waist and then I ALWAYS dump all the leverage and flip it worse than anyone ever has in recorded history! My hands are always behind the ball at impact. That is the main reason I read this thread with the preset drill because I thought that this drill might teach me to feel the proper impact position by beginning the "swing" at waist high still fully set with the wrists. I am guessing that I will not be able to make good contact unless I get my hips to turn out of the way to make room for my hands to rotate the clubface square at impact and that the time it will take to do that will necessarily force my hands to be in front of the ball with the proper shaft lean. Does anyone of you knowledgable people (Russc, kellygreen) understand what I am trying to say and do you agree with my prognostication or am I still out to lunch on this one.?!
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the starting position of this drill allows a golfer to pre set the wrists and left forearm rotation( and thereby shallow the shaft) and just focus on rotating back .To the extent that this improves your pivot going back along with the improved wrist position,it will help you get in a better position at the top,which should improve your chances of making a proper downswing.PM me a video (front and dtl) and see if i Ican improve your release .

[Body_Visions]

This is a great drill. Take caution that the action to pre-set the angle does not creep into your takeaway when making a regular swing.

[tfstone]

Thank you for bringing up the towel drill! Will work on that one too from now on.

Are there any negatives on using the "Faldo drill" on course? I am really tempted to play like this from now on. I don't really care about it looking odd but am worried it might have some negative long term effects on my swing. It has worked for Suzan Pettersen though...

[kellygreen]

[quote name='tfstone' timestamp='1366359293' post='6876747']
Thank you for bringing up the towel drill! Will work on that one too from now on.

Are there any negatives on using the "Faldo drill" on course? I am really tempted to play like this from now on. I don't really care about it looking odd but am worried it might have some negative long term effects on my swing. It has worked for Suzan Pettersen though...
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The "pre-set drill"? No.

The towel drill can be a problem if you try to make full swings with it, and don't have the proper flexbility in your shoulders.