Is the write up by Zak ready yet?

[Kadin 25]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1363186778' post='6603793']
I already defended CP but everyone who is saying we shouldn't get an answer to why none of the pros use the 1 loft technology is crazy. Kadin, your post didn't even make sense man. If you don't care about the answer or are sick of seeing the question, don't open the thread.
[/quote]You are right. It makes no sense.
"B" Doesn't get it.

[geauxWRX]

Not directed at the R1 V2 but why did TM change the tip for the R1? I got a tour all metal tip the other day and it didn't fit the R11s. Another thought why are the tour tips all metal? The truck isn't pulling tips off to reuse them, they simply grab a new one. My tour buddy told me the same goes for shafts, they don't use pulls, they use a new shaft each time.

[Kadin 25]

[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363189811' post='6604183']
Not directed at the R1 V2 but why did TM change the tip for the R1? I got a tour all metal tip the other day and it didn't fit the R11s. Another thought why are the tour tips all metal? The truck isn't pulling tips off to reuse them, they simply grab a new one. My tour buddy told me the same goes for shafts, they don't use pulls, they use a new shaft each time.
[/quote]I believe the reason for he new tip in the R1 was due to the extra adjustability.

[bossdog]

[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363175595' post='6602801']
[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363150133' post='6602195']
The R1 V2 was made for pros this year who NEEDED more spin.
[/quote]

I find that really hard to believe since most V2 or V3 heads have tried to reduce spin. My thoughts were more to do with face angles for the V2 than spin.
[/quote] exactly. Those are your thoughts. I stated a fact.. This years version 2 is to create more spin.

[Mitchell]

[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363181862' post='6603189']
Against my better judgement, I am going to chime in on this because I am tired of the same old question already....

First off Zak is extremely busy so I guess you will have to either...

1) Get over the fact that he hasn't wrote the article yet or might not be wrting the article.

2) Rather than posting every other day "when is the aritcle going to be written, we are still waiting to hear the difference between the two and why the the pro's need a different head".

3) If you are that bothered that Zak hasn't jumped up and down and lit a match for you yet, try shooting him a PM rather than whining like a spoiled little princess who didn't get a corvette for her sweet 16th and ask him yourself.

And seriously, if you can't get enough information out of these two threads and the numerous other threads and information that the internet has to offer, then I am sorry..but you won't understand it even if someone like Zak spells it out for you.

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209[/url]


[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629[/url]

After reading these two threads you either....
A. Get it
B. Don't Get it


Rant Over....Flame away if you have to, I won't be repsonding....ABSORB IT...GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON!
[/quote]These types of replies and the general lack of civility by many members of this community are why I have grave concerns over the future direction of the site, hope we all can learn to respectfully disagree about some issues- whether we like or dislike a company or individual we can take the high road.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363190609' post='6604283']
[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363175595' post='6602801']
[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363150133' post='6602195']
The R1 V2 was made for pros this year who NEEDED more spin.
[/quote]

I find that really hard to believe since most V2 or V3 heads have tried to reduce spin. My thoughts were more to do with face angles for the V2 than spin.
[/quote] exactly. Those are your thoughts. I stated a fact.. This years version 2 is to create more spin.
[/quote]

My V2 spins less

[Jamboy72]

[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363190609' post='6604283']
[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363175595' post='6602801']
[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363150133' post='6602195']
The R1 V2 was made for pros this year who NEEDED more spin.
[/quote]

I find that really hard to believe since most V2 or V3 heads have tried to reduce spin. My thoughts were more to do with face angles for the V2 than spin.
[/quote] exactly. Those are your thoughts. I stated a fact.. This years version 2 is to create more spin.
[/quote]

If it is a fact...how do you know this to be so? Does it just spin more for you? Or is this a universal reality? Seems like CP has had a different experience...

[geauxWRX]

CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.

[tomg1969]

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1363186778' post='6603793']
I already defended CP but everyone who is saying we shouldn't get an answer to why none of the pros use the 1 loft technology is crazy. Kadin, your post didn't even make sense man. If you don't care about the answer or are sick of seeing the question, don't open the thread.
[/quote]

There's a pretty simple answer to this one. They don't have to. The guys that we watch on TV have access to anything that is in the van. If they need a different loft they can request a new head or a completely new set up.
The public has to pay for their clubs. Wouldn't be feasible for most guys to go drop another $500 every time they think they need a new loft, so this is their answer and really just another marketing angle.
The guys on TV are marketing tools for the OEMs. When they win, they sell clubs, so they set them up the best that they can and hope their staffers do well.
The one loft technology is something that TM believes will help them sell more clubs, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with the guys on tour.

[born4golf77]

I wonder why this got moved to the general equip section when it obviously concerns tour issue clubs?

[Kadin 25]

[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1363191009' post='6604325']
[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363181862' post='6603189']
Against my better judgement, I am going to chime in on this because I am tired of the same old question already....

First off Zak is extremely busy so I guess you will have to either...

1) Get over the fact that he hasn't wrote the article yet or might not be wrting the article.

2) Rather than posting every other day "when is the aritcle going to be written, we are still waiting to hear the difference between the two and why the the pro's need a different head".

3) If you are that bothered that Zak hasn't jumped up and down and lit a match for you yet, try shooting him a PM rather than whining like a spoiled little princess who didn't get a corvette for her sweet 16th and ask him yourself.

And seriously, if you can't get enough information out of these two threads and the numerous other threads and information that the internet has to offer, then I am sorry..but you won't understand it even if someone like Zak spells it out for you.

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209[/url]


[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629[/url]

After reading these two threads you either....
A. Get it
B. Don't Get it


Rant Over....Flame away if you have to, I won't be repsonding....ABSORB IT...GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON!
[/quote]These types of replies and the general lack of civility by many members of this community are why I have grave concerns over the future direction of the site, hope we all can learn to respectfully disagree about some issues- whether we like or dislike a company or individual we can take the high road.
[/quote]I am not disagreeing with anyone nor am I against any OEM. What I am stating is, there is enough information on this site to get the answers you are looking for. There's no need to continuously ask "When Is Zak going To write the article because we were promised an article".

[Woodridge]

The OP asked a fair question in a reasonable way and yet another TM thread winds up like this. Zak's a big boy and can answer for himself or not. Personally, I would take continued silence from him as an answer of sorts, but there is nothing wrong with asking the question.

[zakkozuchowski]

Guys,

Sorry I'm so late to jump into this. We'll have a story with comparison photos and tech details coming soon. These things take time to do right.

- Zak

[Mitchell]

[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363192746' post='6604515']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1363191009' post='6604325']
[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363181862' post='6603189']
Against my better judgement, I am going to chime in on this because I am tired of the same old question already....

First off Zak is extremely busy so I guess you will have to either...

1) Get over the fact that he hasn't wrote the article yet or might not be wrting the article.

2) Rather than posting every other day "when is the aritcle going to be written, we are still waiting to hear the difference between the two and why the the pro's need a different head".

3) If you are that bothered that Zak hasn't jumped up and down and lit a match for you yet, try shooting him a PM rather than whining like a spoiled little princess who didn't get a corvette for her sweet 16th and ask him yourself.

And seriously, if you can't get enough information out of these two threads and the numerous other threads and information that the internet has to offer, then I am sorry..but you won't understand it even if someone like Zak spells it out for you.

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209[/url]


[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629[/url]

After reading these two threads you either....
A. Get it
B. Don't Get it


Rant Over....Flame away if you have to, I won't be repsonding....ABSORB IT...GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON!
[/quote]These types of replies and the general lack of civility by many members of this community are why I have grave concerns over the future direction of the site, hope we all can learn to respectfully disagree about some issues- whether we like or dislike a company or individual we can take the high road.
[/quote]I am not disagreeing with anyone nor am I against any OEM. What I am stating is, there is enough information on this site to get the answers you are looking for. There's no need to continuously ask "When Is Zak going To write the article because we were promised an article".
[/quote]. More clearly stated, the general tone of response comparing members to spoiled little princesses because Zak has not responded according to their expectations was not productive to intelligent discourse and detrimental to what I, giving you the full benefit of the doubt, feel your intended purpose was to let posters know that there was a better way to ask their question.

[Chilli9880]

[quote name='Woodridge' timestamp='1363194958' post='6604811']
The OP asked a fair question in a reasonable way and yet another TM thread winds up like this. Zak's a big boy and can answer for himself or not. Personally, I would take continued silence from him as an answer of sorts, but there is nothing wrong with asking the question.
[/quote]

Woodridge, I agree with you. The cyber bullying that happens on this site is absolutely ridiculous. It's a golf forum for crying out loud. You can compare it to NBA players fighting on the court. But I'm not surprised I see it from some of the same people on different occasions

[quote name='zakkozuchowski' timestamp='1363197552' post='6605051']
Guys,

Sorry I'm so late to jump into this. We'll have a story with comparison photos and tech details coming soon. These things take time to do right.

- Zak
[/quote]

Thanks Zak! While I know patience is a virtue, I know its a virtue that many of us (myself included) could learn to have. Thanks!

[zakkozuchowski]

I'll add one more thing. Out of all of Greg's photos on the PGA Tour this year, we haven't seen a single non-tour head (T serial number) in the hands of a tour pro, so how does it make sense that one would be higher or lower spinning? If that was the case, you'd see both drivers on Tour, right?

Again, we're doing our best with this.

- Zak

[dave s 316]

[quote name='zakkozuchowski' timestamp='1363199670' post='6605305']
I'll add one more thing. Out of all of Greg's photos on the PGA Tour this year, we haven't seen a single non-tour head (T serial number) in the hands of a tour pro, so how does it make sense that one would be higher or lower spinning? If that was the case, you'd see both drivers on Tour, right?

Again, we're doing our best with this.

- Zak
[/quote]
Zak, thank you. Of all the information on this site as other bashers eluded to, they are mixed opinions from "inside sources" . that is the reason i want the answer CP has is because it is fact straight from the mouth of the OEM. Which the OEM stated was ok to share with the community. I don't understand why the reason for wanting that answer is causing so many people to be upset. Being called a troll for wanting a factual answer to an important question to me is odd. If the OEM told CP that it was information that was not public, that would be fine also. That wasn't the case though. Based on factual information, i could decide whether or not to spend the money on one of these v2 heads. this info could save me money if the reasons for this would not help my swing

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='dave s 316' timestamp='1363200413' post='6605379']
Zak, thank you. Of all the information on this site as other bashers eluded to, they are mixed opinions from "inside sources" . that is the reason i want the answer CP has is because it is fact straight from the mouth of the OEM. Which the OEM stated was ok to share with the community. I don't understand why the reason for wanting that answer is causing so many people to be upset. Being called a troll for wanting a factual answer to an important question to me is odd. If the OEM told CP that it was information that was not public, that would be fine also. That wasn't the case though. Based on factual information, i could decide whether or not to spend the money on one of these v2 heads. this info could save me money if the reasons for this would not help my swing
[/quote]

Zak was there for the "official" sit down, so everything I heard, he heard.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363191568' post='6604379']
CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.
[/quote]

it was like 100-150 RPMs less, but still it was less. just meant i didnt see a increase is spin going from the V1 to V2 as someone was alluding to

[PingDrv00]

I actually could care less about V1 versus V2, but I think it is amazing how twisted up everyone is getting about being supposedly due a response. I think TM and CP relayed quite a bit of infomation, and from what I understand Zak has more on the way. In my mind it is pretty easily to conceptualize that the tour heads may be less adjustable to accomodate the looks that the tour guys like to see from address. In my mind maybe one loft for them made the face too closed or too open. I also think that where as the standard heads may have a bit of directional bias the tour heads are raw so to speak, and ready for hotmelt for greater tunability. This is all speculation in my mind, but I think as well there may be some additional tooling cost in the tour heads. This along with the required testing to make sure they are COR compliant that put them out of the reach price wise to market as rack available clubs. Just my 2 cents.

[lovingolf90]

V1 is ugly, v2 is uglIER

[bossdog]

[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363191568' post='6604379']
CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.
[/quote] I don't have the V2, but this club was built for tour players who needed more spin than V1. I'm just saying why the club was built, not my personal numbers. Can't really get into how I know......

[Jamboy72]

[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363202383' post='6605617']
[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363191568' post='6604379']
CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.
[/quote] I don't have the V2, but this club was built for tour players who needed more spin than V1. I'm just saying why the club was built, not my personal numbers. Can't really get into how I know......
[/quote]

If you're not willing to dish and you are giving information opposite of CP, then please excuse us while we don't believe you...doesn't mean it's not true, but there are so many examples of people giving their input w/o evidence...info without credibility is just a nice story...

[swizbeatz]

[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363187740' post='6603901']
[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1363186778' post='6603793']
I already defended CP but everyone who is saying we shouldn't get an answer to why none of the pros use the 1 loft technology is crazy. Kadin, your post didn't even make sense man. If you don't care about the answer or are sick of seeing the question, don't open the thread.
[/quote]You are right. It makes no sense.
"B" Doesn't get it.
[/quote]


Here is your post.

[color=#282828]"First off Zak is extremely busy so I guess you will have to either...[/color]

[color=#282828]1) Get over the fact that he hasn't wrote the article yet or might not be wrting the article.[/color]

[color=#282828]2) Rather than posting every other day "when is the aritcle going to be written, we are still waiting to hear the difference between the two and why the the pro's need a different head".[/color]

[color=#282828]3) If you are that bothered that Zak hasn't jumped up and down and lit a match for you yet, try shooting him a PM rather than whining like a spoiled little princess who didn't get a corvette for her sweet 16th and ask him yourself.[/color]

[color=#282828]And seriously, if you can't get enough information out of these two threads and the numerous other threads and information that the internet has to offer, then I am sorry..but you won't understand it even if someone like Zak spells it out for you.[/color]

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209"]http://www.golfwrx.c...v2#entry6588209[/url]


[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629"]http://www.golfwrx.c...v2#entry6539629[/url]

[color=#282828]After reading these two threads you either....[/color]
[color=#282828]A. Get it[/color]
[color=#282828]B. Don't Get it"[/color]


[color=#282828]So first you state someone is very busy, which I have no idea how you would even know that in the first place. Then you give me options, 1. "get over it" 2. no clue what you are even trying to say here, it doesn't make any sense with normal usage of the english language, and 3. Shoot him a PM asking for matches. I would probably go with 3 but I'd rather open and respond to a thread that was just made on the topic. Obviously you like option 1, which is why I have a hard time understanding why you have the most posts ITT. Then you tell me the 2 threads you linked were the end all be all on the subject, even though CP took questions from the member when he went down there that never got answered. And the icing on the cake is, Zaks writing the article!!!!! There must be something interesting to say on the subject, and I am interested in reading it. I'll continue opening and posting in these threads.[/color]

[color="#282828"]You went on a trip I really enjoyed following, which one was it if you don't mind me asking? I hope it wasn't a TM one, you've obviously read the problems members have been having with trip-goers hyper posting in OEM threads with any negativity. Honestly don't remember which one it was, like I said I enjoyed reading it though.[/color]

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='topekareal' timestamp='1363203003' post='6605681']
[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363202383' post='6605617']
[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363191568' post='6604379']
CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.
[/quote] I don't have the V2, but this club was built for tour players who needed more spin than V1. I'm just saying why the club was built, not my personal numbers. Can't really get into how I know......
[/quote]

If you're not willing to dish and you are giving information opposite of CP, then please excuse us while we don't believe you...doesn't mean it's not true, but there are so many examples of people giving their input w/o evidence...info without credibility is just a nice story...
[/quote]

whether hes right or wrong, the TM guys did not tell me "we made the V2 because tour players needed more spin then the V1." so that was not the explanation i got and during my testing i did not see any difference except 100-150 RPMs less. same shaft, same loft.

[ProBowler]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1363200925' post='6605439']
[quote name='dave s 316' timestamp='1363200413' post='6605379']
Zak, thank you. Of all the information on this site as other bashers eluded to, they are mixed opinions from "inside sources" . that is the reason i want the answer CP has is because it is fact straight from the mouth of the OEM. Which the OEM stated was ok to share with the community. I don't understand why the reason for wanting that answer is causing so many people to be upset. Being called a troll for wanting a factual answer to an important question to me is odd. If the OEM told CP that it was information that was not public, that would be fine also. That wasn't the case though. Based on factual information, i could decide whether or not to spend the money on one of these v2 heads. this info could save me money if the reasons for this would not help my swing
[/quote]

Zak was there for the "official" sit down, so everything I heard, he heard.
[/quote]

Me too !!!
; )

[ProBowler]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1363203648' post='6605755']
[quote name='topekareal' timestamp='1363203003' post='6605681']
[quote name='bossdog' timestamp='1363202383' post='6605617']
[quote name='dplambert1' timestamp='1363191568' post='6604379']
CP did trackman testing and states that it spins less, bossdog states it spins more? Don't know what to think but I am leaning toward the trackman testing and CP's knowledge of TM clubs.
[/quote] I don't have the V2, but this club was built for tour players who needed more spin than V1. I'm just saying why the club was built, not my personal numbers. Can't really get into how I know......
[/quote]

If you're not willing to dish and you are giving information opposite of CP, then please excuse us while we don't believe you...doesn't mean it's not true, but there are so many examples of people giving their input w/o evidence...info without credibility is just a nice story...
[/quote]

whether hes right or wrong, the TM guys did not tell me "we made the V2 because tour players needed more spin then the V1." so that was not the explanation i got and during my testing i did not see any difference except 100-150 RPMs less. same shaft, same loft.
[/quote]

I don't know this but maybe at higher swing speeds it reacts differently spin wise !!!

[OUZO Power]

[quote name='lovingolf90' timestamp='1363202318' post='6605613']
V1 is ugly, v2 is uglIER
[/quote]lol I see what you did there.

[dave s 316]

For the record, Kadin is a stand up guy

[smackygolf]

[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1363191009' post='6604325']
[quote name='Kadin 25' timestamp='1363181862' post='6603189']
Against my better judgement, I am going to chime in on this because I am tired of the same old question already....

First off Zak is extremely busy so I guess you will have to either...

1) Get over the fact that he hasn't wrote the article yet or might not be wrting the article.

2) Rather than posting every other day "when is the aritcle going to be written, we are still waiting to hear the difference between the two and why the the pro's need a different head".

3) If you are that bothered that Zak hasn't jumped up and down and lit a match for you yet, try shooting him a PM rather than whining like a spoiled little princess who didn't get a corvette for her sweet 16th and ask him yourself.

And seriously, if you can't get enough information out of these two threads and the numerous other threads and information that the internet has to offer, then I am sorry..but you won't understand it even if someone like Zak spells it out for you.

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/777903-r1-v1-vs-v2-comparison-pictures-also-r11s-v2-vs-r1-v2/page__st__30__p__6588209__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6588209"]http://www.golfwrx.c...v2#entry6588209[/url]


[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/794831-r1-v1-vs-r1-v2-on-the-launch-monitor-which-one-performs-better-tuesaday-update-getting-fit-for-the-v2/page__st__120__p__6539629__hl__+r1%20+vs%20+v2#entry6539629"]http://www.golfwrx.c...v2#entry6539629[/url]

After reading these two threads you either....
A. Get it
B. Don't Get it


Rant Over....Flame away if you have to, I won't be repsonding....ABSORB IT...GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON!
[/quote]These types of replies and the general lack of civility by many members of this community are why I have grave concerns over the future direction of the site, hope we all can learn to respectfully disagree about some issues- whether we like or dislike a company or individual we can take the high road.
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Wow. So the trolling OP is A-OK, but a CONTRIBUTING member gets the stink-eye from you? I've seen this happen other places. Pretty soon, the guys that actually have info, and know what they are talking about, leave. They get tired of people constantly bitching about the info they give, and the lowest common denominators whining about how they present the INFO. Posts like yours are what give me pause, and give solid non-contributors the leash they need to keep trolling and whining. Pretty soon those of us with actual information, and not horrifically misinformed opinion disguised as information, will just go elsewhere.