The Long Putter Slam

[Yuck]

PGA, Bradley -check, US Open, Simpson - check, British Open, Els check and now the Masters, Scott - check. The Slam is now complete. Now there needs to be four in a row, in the same season. I do not know if that is possible before 2016.

[One Gray GLI]

Still had to hit the putt on the right line and speed, it doesn't matter if he used a rake or a pool cue.

[MtlJeff]

big deal, short putters won the slam 76 years in a row

[randywildman]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1365992237' post='6845201']
big deal, short putters won the slam 76 years in a row
[/quote]

Funny and true !

[M..]

 

C'mon how do these "MAJOR winners" justify their wins with resorting to anchoring.

Everytime I see any "professionals" anchoring a golf club, CHEATER is all that resonates.

Clearly MECHANICALLY anchoring is not creating a true spontaneous golf swing, especially under "MAJOR" pressure of the moment.

[Anchor44]

[quote name='One Gray GLI' timestamp='1365992121' post='6845183']
Still had to hit the putt on the right line and speed, it doesn't matter if he used a rake or a pool cue.
[/quote]

Yea, but if it is braced against anything except the hands, it's different than any other stroke in golf, and therefore an exception to a normal golf shot.

[JJensen]

[quote name='Anchor44' timestamp='1366033362' post='6847655']
[quote name='One Gray GLI' timestamp='1365992121' post='6845183']
Still had to hit the putt on the right line and speed, it doesn't matter if he used a rake or a pool cue.
[/quote]

Yea, but if it is braced against anything except the hands, it's different than any other stroke in golf, and therefore an exception to a normal golf shot.
[/quote]

How is putting similar to any other golf shot anyways? I do not/never have/never will use a long or belly putter, but I do not support the ban. Yea, You have a point of contact, but you still have to make a good swing. My dad uses a belly putter because it is easier on his back, I have not noticed a change in his putting ability.

If you are going to outlaw long putters, get rid of game-improvement irons, 460cc drivers and hybrids too. Every player has the option to use it, some do some dont. If you think it is that big of an advantage do it yourself.

Just my opinion.

[Vindog]

[quote name='JJensen' timestamp='1366033910' post='6847735']
[quote name='Anchor44' timestamp='1366033362' post='6847655']
[quote name='One Gray GLI' timestamp='1365992121' post='6845183']
Still had to hit the putt on the right line and speed, it doesn't matter if he used a rake or a pool cue.
[/quote]

Yea, but if it is braced against anything except the hands, it's different than any other stroke in golf, and therefore an exception to a normal golf shot.
[/quote]

[b]How is putting similar to any other golf shot anyways? [/b]I do not/never have/never will use a long or belly putter, but I do not support the ban. Yea, You have a point of contact, but you still have to make a good swing. My dad uses a belly putter because it is easier on his back, I have not noticed a change in his putting ability.

If you are going to outlaw long putters, get rid of game-improvement irons, 460cc drivers and hybrids too. Every player has the option to use it, some do some dont. If you think it is that big of an advantage do it yourself.

Just my opinion.
[/quote]

Great point. There are different rules surrounding the putter itself AND the putting green. It's inherently different. Everything about it.


It's a funny topic title, though. I lol'ed A+

[spitfisher]

The slam to me would be consecutive......Rory kind of ruined things at the PGA championship at Kaiwah.

Let players putt and address slow play instead...is my view

[jll62]

[quote name='spitfisher' timestamp='1366035104' post='6847919']
The slam to me would be consecutive......Rory kind of ruined things at the PGA championship at Kaiwah.

Let players putt and address slow play instead...is my view
[/quote]

Yep, it's the career slam for the long putter.

[monkeynaut]

I wouldn't put this into the slam. The other 3 were belly putters anchored to the belly.
This is a long putter held against the sternum.

Belly has 3 majors.
Long is chasing.

Also, Kuchar using a belly length putter but not against his belly would not go to Belly Putters slam.
AND, if someone used a long putter not anchored, I wouldn't be sure that truly belongs with Adam's Putters record.

This has been covered somewhat in the [url="http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/680304-congratulations-belly-putter/page__st__60&sa=U&ei=37ptUcT5L-qr2AXWwIGYDQ&ved=0CBgQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGJDitDhq2ekaff0gvdz1sF3d9lKQ"]Congratulations Belly Putter Thread[/url]

[Joey76]

Over the past 5 years what is the belly/long to short ratio.....


Stats seems to be leaning towards the last 2 years whenever quoted...

the increase wouldnt have anything to do with more guys using them by any chance...

[Joey76]

 

C'mon how do these "MAJOR winners" justify their wins with resorting to anchoring.

Everytime I see any "professionals" anchoring a golf club, CHEATER is all that resonates.

Clearly MECHANICALLY anchoring is not creating a true spontaneous golf swing, especially under "MAJOR" pressure of the moment.

9 postst and its a far from a witty or intelligent argument in your picture...

 

 

do the words flogging, dead and horse ring a bell

[imakaveli]

Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters

[pingsforhacker]

[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

+1

[fore]

[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

Perhaps most pros grew up using the non anchored method and don't want to put in the time learning the anchored method.

[PedronNiall]

[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

Belly wasn't popular until recently, and was seen as a device only for those with the yips or bad backs for the most part. The facts do bear out that Scott's putting fell off with his standard putter then improved again once he went to the long putter. He's still not good, but much better than he was. It's certainly an aid, but I don't think it's the kind of aid that will ever produce top tier putting ability. Scott's putter is even worse IMO than the belly because it puts his eyes further off line from the ball, but better than three-putting your way out of contention. It's a competitive advantage for below average putters and no more.

Once anchoring is out of the picture it will be interesting to see what happens to certain player's strokes and the use of long putters.

[gators78]

 

C'mon how do these "MAJOR winners" justify their wins with resorting to anchoring.

Everytime I see any "professionals" anchoring a golf club, CHEATER is all that resonates.

Clearly MECHANICALLY anchoring is not creating a true spontaneous golf swing, especially under "MAJOR" pressure of the moment.

 

 

Ah, my favorite. The tough anonymous guy behind the laptop calling Tour pros cheaters. I'll just leave you with some words from your USGA.

 

"This is a deplorable incident, and there is no place in our game for this kind of behavior. As we noted when announcing proposed Rule 14-1b, it has been and remains entirely within the Rules of Golf for players to anchor the club while making a stroke. There should not be a shred of criticism of such players or any qualification or doubt about their achievements, and we think that it is inappropriate even to suggest anything to the contrary. Rule changes address the future and not the past. Up until now and until such time as a Rule change were to be implemented, golfers using an anchored stroke will have been playing by the Rules of Golf."

[M..]

 

C'mon how do these "MAJOR winners" justify their wins with resorting to anchoring.

Everytime I see any "professionals" anchoring a golf club, CHEATER is all that resonates.

Clearly MECHANICALLY anchoring is not creating a true spontaneous golf swing, especially under "MAJOR" pressure of the moment.

 

 

Ah, my favorite. The tough anonymous guy behind the laptop calling Tour pros cheaters. I'll just leave you with some words from your USGA.

 

"This is a deplorable incident, and there is no place in our game for this kind of behavior. As we noted when announcing proposed Rule 14-1b, it has been and remains entirely within the Rules of Golf for players to anchor the club while making a stroke. There should not be a shred of criticism of such players or any qualification or doubt about their achievements, and we think that it is inappropriate even to suggest anything to the contrary. Rule changes address the future and not the past. Up until now and until such time as a Rule change were to be implemented, golfers using an anchored stroke will have been playing by the Rules of Golf."

 

 

In 2004, before he had adopted the long wand, Els said: "Nerves and the skill of putting are part of the game. Take a tablet if you can't handle it."

 

http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=75002

Q. You mentioned the belly putter. I'm just curious sort of what went into that decision. Secondly, it wasn't that long ago that you were pretty outspoken about it a couple of years ago. What changed your mind?

ERNIE ELS: Well, you know, I started really having putting problems. I mean, the guys on Tour week in and week out know about it. My path wasn't good, you know, sort of cutting onto the ball and you can't putt well like that. Then I started practicing with the belly a little bit. My path came back from coming inside to the outside and the releasing. Just kept going. I'm still getting some poor putts but at least I've got a better chance of repeating that same stroke with a putter stuck in my belly.

You're right, I've been outspoken about it. I've been against it. Right now I'm glad they haven't banned it. If they ban it, that's also fine with me. It's probably very controversial rule that we have on the Tour and guys that don't use the belly like myself, you know, have been against it. As long as it's legal, you know, I'm -- I'll keep cheating like the rest of them.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9074797/arnold-palmer-speaks-anchored-putting

"Now the long putter, I've objected to that from the beginning," Palmer said. "I only think that we don't need a long putter. That's not part of the game of golf. To attach it to your body in any way is taking a little bit away from the game.

"I'm not going to argue with anybody about it. ... I've stated my position, and that is that we do not need a contraption to play the game of golf. I would hope that we'd play under one set of rules and those rules would include a ban on the long putter hooked to the body in some way, shape or form."

[dac]

I'm dying to see an awesome dude playing the pga tour with an anchored full club driver/iron swing.

[Gutz_it]

Ever picked up a long putter
Those things are bloody hard to use
Don't care what anyone says
This is not cheating
Still gotta read it
Still got to hit it
If long putters were LEGAL cheating and made the game easier, then EVERYONE would use them
And it's actually inpossible to disagree with that, that is a scientific fact

[Joey76]

Scots putting stats are actually worse with his long putter than his short one as far as tour ranking....


People talk as if Adam has amde a miraculous recovery.... he hasnt.... he still misses an amazing amount of putts with his broomstick...

[smoky25]

[quote name='fore' timestamp='1366158697' post='6860787']
[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

Perhaps most pros grew up using the non anchored method and don't want to put in the time learning the anchored method.
[/quote]

Or, more likely, they've all tried it and most decided that it sucks as a putting method. It's been around for a very long time. The very fact that it's not the dominant method of putting indicates that the vast majority of golfers who make a living at it have decided it's an inferior method.

[Joey76]

[quote name='smoky25' timestamp='1366193404' post='6863149']
[quote name='fore' timestamp='1366158697' post='6860787']
[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

Perhaps most pros grew up using the non anchored method and don't want to put in the time learning the anchored method.
[/quote]

Or, more likely, they've all tried it and most decided that it sucks as a putting method. It's been around for a very long time. The very fact that it's not the dominant method of putting indicates that the vast majority of golfers who make a living at it have decided it's an inferior method.
[/quote]

This^^^

its been around for some 20 plus years correct..... so if I took the game up at 10 then by 15 I would have at least come into some contact.... I would also be a 30 YR old pro golfer by now.......lost of 20 somethings playing the tour dont use it....


I think many have thought what a lot of us amatuers think..... its too bloody difficult,

[fore]

[quote name='Gutz_it' timestamp='1366190256' post='6863091']
Ever picked up a long putter
Those things are bloody hard to use
Don't care what anyone says
This is not cheating
Still gotta read it
Still got to hit it
If long putters were LEGAL cheating and made the game easier, then EVERYONE would use them
And it's actually inpossible to disagree with that, that is a scientific fact
[/quote]

I can disagree with that off the wall assumption that it's a scientific fact. Most pros started out using conventional methods. It's what they're comfortable with and they haven't struggled with the yips so bad that they thought it necessary to resort to learning to use the anchored method.

[fore]

[quote name='Joey76' timestamp='1366193675' post='6863161']
[quote name='smoky25' timestamp='1366193404' post='6863149']
[quote name='fore' timestamp='1366158697' post='6860787']
[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

Perhaps most pros grew up using the non anchored method and don't want to put in the time learning the anchored method.
[/quote]

Or, more likely, they've all tried it and most decided that it sucks as a putting method. It's been around for a very long time. The very fact that it's not the dominant method of putting indicates that the vast majority of golfers who make a living at it have decided it's an inferior method.
[/quote]

This^^^

its been around for some 20 plus years correct..... so if I took the game up at 10 then by 15 I would have at least come into some contact.... I would also be a 30 YR old pro golfer by now.......lost of 20 somethings playing the tour dont use it....


I think many have thought what a lot of us amatuers think..... its too bloody difficult,
[/quote]

So you're saying Adam Scott, Ernie, Bernhard ... started having problems with their putting and decided to try a more difficult method?

[imakaveli]

Some players like to putt with long putters, some others like conventional putting more. No inferior or superior equipment, no cheating. I know it's tough to believe, but it's just simple as it is.

(imho)

[fore]

[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

[color=#282828][size=3][b]imakaveli,[/b][/size][/color]
[color=#282828]Some players like to putt with long putters, some others like conventional putting more. No inferior or superior equipment, no cheating. I know it's tough to believe, but it's just simple as it is.[/color]

[color=#282828](imho)[/color]



[color=#282828]You've answered your own post.[/color]

[Joey76]

[quote]

So you're saying Adam Scott, Ernie, Bernhard ... started having problems with their putting and decided to try a more difficult method?
[/quote]

And Sergio went back to the more difficult method right?

Some guy use left hand low.... does it mean its easier or better becasue they chose it....

it means its easier or better for them..... what person wouldnt look to a method that make putting easier.... easier/=cheating....

Good luck with your attempt at using what doesnt work for you.... let us know how you get on with that ...

[imakaveli]

[quote name='fore' timestamp='1366197143' post='6863245']
[quote name='imakaveli' timestamp='1366149481' post='6859871']
Still nobody can explain why not all the pros are using long putters
[/quote]

[color=#282828][size=3][b]imakaveli,[/b][/size][/color]
[color=#282828]Some players like to putt with long putters, some others like conventional putting more. No inferior or superior equipment, no cheating. I know it's tough to believe, but it's just simple as it is.[/color]

[color=#282828](imho)[/color]



[color=#282828]You've answered your own post.[/color]
[/quote]

Absolutely, see that there is no silly cheating? It's just another type of club, and till it is officially banned, I have no problem with players using perfectly legal clubs.