Just picked up Odyssey Armlock Putter

[KSP]

Hello all, I think this is my first post, though I've been lurking for the last year.

 

I just bought, for a reasonable price on ebay, the Odyssey Armlock Putter (metal x #7). For a little background, after lots of golf this year I'm down to a 7 handicap, but I've always managed that while being either a very poor or very mediocre putter. Generally speaking, it's been poor lags and inconsistency from 6-10 feet. I've never tried the belly/long putters, and given the new reality, I figured I'll go straight to armlock.

 

So after experimenting with lots of different putters and styles, I have found myself trying the armlock style. I've only practiced with it, but I had a few first impressions. Hopefully, I'll remember and give an update for those who may be curious.

 

1. It's heavy. Like all longer putters, it certainly has a heavier head, and with the longer shaft and looooong grip, it's no surprise that it weighs more. However, it doesn't necessarily translate the same kind of heaviness when you are putting. By that I mean that your stroke is markedly different, so your feel is different as well. When I first putted with it, I noticed that it was difficult to keep the putter in a smooth swing without shaking slightly. Later I realized that I have to change my stroke. Instead of trying to lift and swing with my arms, I needed to just swing my shoulders and let the club just follow my shoulder turn. This was in fact a big revelation. With a firm grip and an armsy swing, it was heavy and hard to control. With a very light grip and just a shoulder turn, the club was light and smooth. Surely, my armsy swing is the root of my putting issues, but with the armlock it is much easier to let my shoulders do the putting. With the standard putter it was easy enough to just yank the putter back and yank it left.

 

2. The grip size and length are the biggest issue that you need to figure out on your own. I'm 5'9 and generally play with a 33-34 inch putter. At 43 inches, the armlock is long. Since this is so new, there doesn't seem to be an established system for where to rest the putter on your lead arm. For me, it turns out that at 43 inches, the grip top rests just above my elbow. Whether it would be better a few inches below my elbow I have no idea. For what its worth, it seems like I would be better suited with a 41 inch putter or so.

 

Since the grip rests on the inside of your left arm, the grip can be a little awkward as you try to get your angles right. Your left hand grip is definitely awkward, as you hold it in a position where you don't get the most secure of all grips. Also, the straight grip does not contour perfectly with your angles arm and bowed wrist. I've been experimenting, and I've found that if I build up the top 4 inches of the grip, it gives a much more secure connection to the "forearm" section of the putter grip. I actually wrapped a dishtowel (6 x 6 inch) around the top 4 inches, which made the upper grip much much much thicker. This was done to see if that affected the control, and I found that it was very helpful. Obviously, I need to figure out something permanent. I plan on tinkering at some point. I'm not sure if I will cut it down, but I will definitely increase the grip size. I plan on either wrapping the very top with a couple of layers of tennis grip. Otherwise I will just use a thick superstroke and regrip.

 

3. I have no idea how the armlock will do with lagging. I assume like most long putters, the best application is within 3-15 feet.

 

4. The putter was very awkward the first 20 minutes or so. I bought it unseen, so I first felt like I wasted money and missed out on my miracle cure. After an hour or so, I started to get "comfortable" to some extent. Now, I think that with more practice I can ingrain a "normal" feeling stroke that is more consistent then my old ways.

 

Thanks, and hopefully I've found my key to unlock the greens.

[TundraToad]

Another golfer looking for the putting answer, welcome aboard!

I bought an armlock Bettinardi off of the BST and just received it this week. I went to the putting green that night and spent two hours trying to get use to it. I left the green unsure of the method. Mine is 41 inches and being six feet the putter rests below my elbow, which it should, yours is too long and you should cut it so that it sits about two inches below the elbow crease. Above the elbow would totally change the swing in my opinion and is something I suggest you not get use to.

I then played the next day with it. I was surprized that it worked quiet well. Made some putts, lag wasn't too bad although I was a little strong on some. It was very good on the shorter ones which is my weakness. Definitely looking forward to playing more with it. I have a long way to go before it will feel natural.

I watched Kuchar on YouTube and tried to watch what he does with ball position, grip, arm position etc. I think that helped

Good luck

[BRIDGESTONE1]

I love mine. Im 6'0 and the 43 incher sits right at my elbow. I don't know that Ive made more putts, but my lag putting has improved and my short putting has been consistent. I have a tendency to get the heel off of the ground with it, but with the #7 it's pretty obvious to realize when this is happening.

Regarding the stroke, i just get it aligned and make sure the top of the grip remains in contact with my left arm at all times. It's really a left arm dominated stroke.

[atlanta golfer]

I've had the #7 Odyssey metal x armlock now for almost two months. I learned a couple things that may help you. First, I went to a 1.3 size superstroke grip which makes it easier for the left hand and fingers to hold the grip without feeling tension or stress. Another thing is I learned you want the top end of the grip about two inches below the elbow crease. Matt Kuchar uses this position and I learned it is for a reason. If you get the grip closer to the elbow it fees more secure but because the inside of your forearm opens up near the elbow, you may find like I did that on your follow through the putter face will tend to close faster than it does when you have the grip resting two inches below the elbow crease. This will cause you to pull putts / miss them left, then adjust, etc. which is no good. Just try a few positons at and below the elbow and watch the face angle at release and you will see what I mean.

[TundraToad]

The journey with this method looks like it going to get bumpy. My second round with the putter was great, Only missed one three footer on a really bad swing, no three putts, made a couple of 10+, lipped out some long ones, the short ones seemed easy and my playing partner commented on how pure the roll seemed to be.

Then round three happened

39 putts with two 5 putts (not a typo), I haven't four putted in years let alone five, lag was ok but I was pulling the short ones way left, as in a 15 inch putt not even touching the hole. My greens in reg was poor that round so I was chipping lots (and pretty close) or the putt number could have been WAY higher. I spent an hour and a half after the round trying to solve this by adjusting grip, ball position etc.

Played yesterday and well not good at least no four or five putts

It seem to get better as the round went. This won't be a quick fix but I still think it has great potential and I am committed to it.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='TundraToad' timestamp='1374521884' post='7515668']
The journey with this method looks like it going to get bumpy. My second round with the putter was great, Only missed one three footer on a really bad swing, no three putts, made a couple of 10+, lipped out some long ones, the short ones seemed easy and my playing partner commented on how pure the roll seemed to be.

Then round three happened

39 putts with two 5 putts (not a typo), I haven't four putted in years let alone five, lag was ok but I was pulling the short ones way left, as in a 15 inch putt not even touching the hole. My greens in reg was poor that round so I was chipping lots (and pretty close) or the putt number could have been WAY higher. I spent an hour and a half after the round trying to solve this by adjusting grip, ball position etc.

Played yesterday and well not good at least no four or five putts

It seem to get better as the round went. This won't be a quick fix but I still think it has great potential and I am committed to it.
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Where do you have the end of the grip resting? Where on the forearm and how far below the elbow?

[TundraToad]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' timestamp='1374541375' post='7518064']
[quote name='TundraToad' timestamp='1374521884' post='7515668']
The journey with this method looks like it going to get bumpy. My second round with the putter was great, Only missed one three footer on a really bad swing, no three putts, made a couple of 10+, lipped out some long ones, the short ones seemed easy and my playing partner commented on how pure the roll seemed to be.

Then round three happened

39 putts with two 5 putts (not a typo), I haven't four putted in years let alone five, lag was ok but I was pulling the short ones way left, as in a 15 inch putt not even touching the hole. My greens in reg was poor that round so I was chipping lots (and pretty close) or the putt number could have been WAY higher. I spent an hour and a half after the round trying to solve this by adjusting grip, ball position etc.

Played yesterday and well not good at least no four or five putts

It seem to get better as the round went. This won't be a quick fix but I still think it has great potential and I am committed to it.
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Where do you have the end of the grip resting? Where on the forearm and how far below the elbow?
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I have the end of the grip about 2 inches below the crease of the elbow. If you put your left arm flat on a table, palm side up, the putter would rest on the right side of the arm, so close to the bottom side of the arm, I hope that makes sense. About 3 inches of the rests on the arm then a space unitl you reach the hands. I find that the hand is really turned to the left.

I think the left pulls were due to my right shoulder wanted to work towards the ball.

[J_Tizzle]

I got one of these as well and I have not committed to it at all. Like others have said, it just seems very very awkward.

I've practiced some with the Odyssey #7 I have but it seems like its way too long, I have no idea where to put it in my stance, and I either hit it perfect and it rolls without problem or its so far off the toe/heel, and the consistency of it is all over the place. I loved my belly but I'm sure not sold on this or the counterweighted styles yet...

I've been thinking of cutting it down more to the 41" range and putting an old SS 1.3 on it and see if that helps relieve some of the oddness of the entire thing. The resale on these things isn't all that great I don't think so I"ll probably just keep it because I'm sure I'm just one bad round from wanting to give it another try.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='J-Tizzle' timestamp='1375108441' post='7560510']
I got one of these as well and I have not committed to it at all. Like others have said, it just seems very very awkward.

I've practiced some with the Odyssey #7 I have but it seems like its way too long, I have no idea where to put it in my stance, and I either hit it perfect and it rolls without problem or its so far off the toe/heel, and the consistency of it is all over the place. I loved my belly but I'm sure not sold on this or the counterweighted styles yet...

I've been thinking of cutting it down more to the 41" range and putting an old SS 1.3 on it and see if that helps relieve some of the oddness of the entire thing. The resale on these things isn't all that great I don't think so I"ll probably just keep it because I'm sure I'm just one bad round from wanting to give it another try.
[/quote]

I've had mine now for a good two months. I cut it down to about 40.75 right away, and later on added a ss 1.3 grip. I have never putted better, both in terms of distance control and direction. Maybe it is not for everybody, or maybe it just takes some getting used to. Like any putter you have to find the right setup. For example, for me, I position the ball just slightly forward of center in my stance. My left eye is directly over or just inside the golf ball. When taking my grip, I place my left thumb right on top of the "p" in "super stroke" on the putter grip which means the end of the grip is about two inches below my elbow crease. My right elbow just gently brushes my right ribcage. All these things let me know that I am in a consistent setup position. Then I just rock the shoulders and let it go.

[TundraToad]

I am liking this style more and more. I had to adjust my grip, move the ball position and just keep getting more comfortable. Don't give up J-Tizzle because I really think there is something to this.

[Honeybadger]

I just converted my Ping Scottsdale TR Tatum (345 grams) to a 39 inch putter with the idea that I would adopt the Kuchar style. I put a 21 inch belly grp on with a 70 gram counter weight (clevis pin) in the butt end of the shaft. The head feels a little light, but I like that. I also converted a Ghost Manta to 37 inches and it has a really heavy head, which is what I use when I play on slow greens. I putt with a left hand low style, so I thinks it's a little easier to get used to putting with the grip against my left arm.
The one issue I have is with lags. I always used to bring a little wrist action into my lag putting- it gave me a bit more feel. That is now more difficult to do. I play a course with huge greens, so if I can't get better at lags, I'll be cutting the putter back down to 33 inches and just use the Manta when I get desperate. Lag putting is so key- if I can't lag it, I lose the benefit of using the longer putter within 10 feet. As frustrating as it is to not make more 6 footers, I think I lose more strokes by not being able to lag it close- something that is easier to do with a 33 inch putter. The other thing I was thinking of doing was not resting it on my forearm when I lag putt.

[J_Tizzle]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' timestamp='1375118182' post='7561654']
[quote name='J-Tizzle' timestamp='1375108441' post='7560510']
I got one of these as well and I have not committed to it at all. Like others have said, it just seems very very awkward.

I've practiced some with the Odyssey #7 I have but it seems like its way too long, I have no idea where to put it in my stance, and I either hit it perfect and it rolls without problem or its so far off the toe/heel, and the consistency of it is all over the place. I loved my belly but I'm sure not sold on this or the counterweighted styles yet...

I've been thinking of cutting it down more to the 41" range and putting an old SS 1.3 on it and see if that helps relieve some of the oddness of the entire thing. The resale on these things isn't all that great I don't think so I"ll probably just keep it because I'm sure I'm just one bad round from wanting to give it another try.
[/quote]

I've had mine now for a good two months. I cut it down to about 40.75 right away, and later on added a ss 1.3 grip. I have never putted better, both in terms of distance control and direction. Maybe it is not for everybody, or maybe it just takes some getting used to. Like any putter you have to find the right setup. For example, for me, I position the ball just slightly forward of center in my stance. My left eye is directly over or just inside the golf ball. When taking my grip, I place my left thumb right on top of the "p" in "super stroke" on the putter grip which means the end of the grip is about two inches below my elbow crease. My right elbow just gently brushes my right ribcage. All these things let me know that I am in a consistent setup position. Then I just rock the shoulders and let it go.
[/quote]

I'm going to do all my work on that putter this afternoon and practice some with it and we shall see if it makes it way out to the course tomorrow morning.

The overall consensus is that it probably needs to be cut down a little bit and I have a SS 1.3 belly grip for it (I think....). Where are you guys having it anchor to your arm? With the current 43" it hits me just below my elbow and feels kind of odd so I was thinking cutting it down in the 41" range and trying it.

[Birdies&Eagles]

I'm pretty sure you can't just cut down a belly putter or extend a standard putter to try the arm lock method. The whole key to this style is the amount of loft on the putter. If you don't have that 6-7 degrees of loft your ball is going to skid right into the ground because of the amount of forward press required from the arm lock.

[NevinW]

[quote name='Birdies&Eagles' timestamp='1375454844' post='7590474']
I'm pretty sure you can't just cut down a belly putter or extend a standard putter to try the arm lock method. The whole key to this style is the amount of loft on the putter. If you don't have that 6-7 degrees of loft your ball is going to skid right into the ground because of the amount of forward press required from the arm lock.
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I tried that last night as an experiment with a belly putter and it definitely doesn'ty work at all. An armlock putter needs 7-8 degrees loft to compesate for the forward press.

[greens hit]

I picked up the Betti Kuchar #1 model. I used to be a horrible putter. This method has made a world of difference for me.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='J-Tizzle' timestamp='1375448575' post='7589856']
[quote name='atlanta golfer' timestamp='1375118182' post='7561654']
[quote name='J-Tizzle' timestamp='1375108441' post='7560510']
I got one of these as well and I have not committed to it at all. Like others have said, it just seems very very awkward.

I've practiced some with the Odyssey #7 I have but it seems like its way too long, I have no idea where to put it in my stance, and I either hit it perfect and it rolls without problem or its so far off the toe/heel, and the consistency of it is all over the place. I loved my belly but I'm sure not sold on this or the counterweighted styles yet...

I've been thinking of cutting it down more to the 41" range and putting an old SS 1.3 on it and see if that helps relieve some of the oddness of the entire thing. The resale on these things isn't all that great I don't think so I"ll probably just keep it because I'm sure I'm just one bad round from wanting to give it another try.
[/quote]

I've had mine now for a good two months. I cut it down to about 40.75 right away, and later on added a ss 1.3 grip. I have never putted better, both in terms of distance control and direction. Maybe it is not for everybody, or maybe it just takes some getting used to. Like any putter you have to find the right setup. For example, for me, I position the ball just slightly forward of center in my stance. My left eye is directly over or just inside the golf ball. When taking my grip, I place my left thumb right on top of the "p" in "super stroke" on the putter grip which means the end of the grip is about two inches below my elbow crease. My right elbow just gently brushes my right ribcage. All these things let me know that I am in a consistent setup position. Then I just rock the shoulders and let it go.
[/quote]

I'm going to do all my work on that putter this afternoon and practice some with it and we shall see if it makes it way out to the course tomorrow morning.

The overall consensus is that it probably needs to be cut down a little bit and I have a SS 1.3 belly grip for it (I think....). Where are you guys having it anchor to your arm? With the current 43" it hits me just below my elbow and feels kind of odd so I was thinking cutting it down in the 41" range and trying it.
[/quote]

I think you will find that about two inches below the elbow crease is the right place. When I first got mine I was putting it right up near the elbow and found that because the inside of the forearm opens up near the elbow, this was causing the putter face to release and close down too early in the stroke. So I was missing left a lot, and then had to do all kinds of compensations. Trust me, about two inches below is where you want to be.

[rossonero]

[quote name='KSP' timestamp='1374236909' post='7489846']
Hello all, I think this is my first post, though I've been lurking for the last year.

I just bought, for a reasonable price on ebay, the Odyssey Armlock Putter (metal x #7). For a little background, after lots of golf this year I'm down to a 7 handicap, but I've always managed that while being either a very poor or very mediocre putter. Generally speaking, it's been poor lags and inconsistency from 6-10 feet. I've never tried the belly/long putters, and given the new reality, I figured I'll go straight to armlock.

So after experimenting with lots of different putters and styles, I have found myself trying the armlock style. I've only practiced with it, but I had a few first impressions. Hopefully, I'll remember and give an update for those who may be curious.

1. It's heavy. Like all longer putters, it certainly has a heavier head, and with the longer shaft and looooong grip, it's no surprise that it weighs more. However, it doesn't necessarily translate the same kind of heaviness when you are putting. By that I mean that your stroke is markedly different, so your feel is different as well. When I first putted with it, I noticed that it was difficult to keep the putter in a smooth swing without shaking slightly. Later I realized that I have to change my stroke. Instead of trying to lift and swing with my arms, I needed to just swing my shoulders and let the club just follow my shoulder turn. This was in fact a big revelation. With a firm grip and an armsy swing, it was heavy and hard to control. With a very light grip and just a shoulder turn, the club was light and smooth. Surely, my armsy swing is the root of my putting issues, but with the armlock it is much easier to let my shoulders do the putting. With the standard putter it was easy enough to just yank the putter back and yank it left.

2. The grip size and length are the biggest issue that you need to figure out on your own. I'm 5'9 and generally play with a 33-34 inch putter. At 43 inches, the armlock is long. Since this is so new, there doesn't seem to be an established system for where to rest the putter on your lead arm. For me, it turns out that at 43 inches, the grip top rests just above my elbow. Whether it would be better a few inches below my elbow I have no idea. For what its worth, it seems like I would be better suited with a 41 inch putter or so.

Since the grip rests on the inside of your left arm, the grip can be a little awkward as you try to get your angles right. Your left hand grip is definitely awkward, as you hold it in a position where you don't get the most secure of all grips. Also, the straight grip does not contour perfectly with your angles arm and bowed wrist. I've been experimenting, and I've found that if I build up the top 4 inches of the grip, it gives a much more secure connection to the "forearm" section of the putter grip. I actually wrapped a dishtowel (6 x 6 inch) around the top 4 inches, which made the upper grip much much much thicker. This was done to see if that affected the control, and I found that it was very helpful. Obviously, I need to figure out something permanent. I plan on tinkering at some point. I'm not sure if I will cut it down, but I will definitely increase the grip size. I plan on either wrapping the very top with a couple of layers of tennis grip. Otherwise I will just use a thick superstroke and regrip.

3. I have no idea how the armlock will do with lagging. I assume like most long putters, the best application is within 3-15 feet.

4. The putter was very awkward the first 20 minutes or so. I bought it unseen, so I first felt like I wasted money and missed out on my miracle cure. After an hour or so, I started to get "comfortable" to some extent. Now, I think that with more practice I can ingrain a "normal" feeling stroke that is more consistent then my old ways.

Thanks, and hopefully I've found my key to unlock the greens.
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Yes - I just also bought such a putter. And the putter is on my arm placed the same spot. But It is to long for me, as I even hit my belly with the end of the shaft, because it is to long. Will cut my down from 43" to 42" or maybe a tat more.

[Cwing]

Just picked up an Odyssey Arm a Lock Metal x Dart. I am 5'11" but I think I'll take it down to 2 to 3" below the elbow. I am not sure what cutting it down will do and if I can save the grip and will need a new grip. What is the non OEM grip of choice and why
.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='Cwing' timestamp='1393812538' post='8783794']
Just picked up an Odyssey Arm a Lock Metal x Dart. I am 5'11" but I think I'll take it down to 2 to 3" below the elbow. I am not sure what cutting it down will do and if I can save the grip and will need a new grip. What is the non OEM grip of choice and why
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I use the superstroke grip which is 17 inches long and says "1.7" at the bottom for diameter. The reason I like this grip is my hands fit very comfortably around it and I don't have to contort my left wrist to keep the butt end against my forearm like I had to do for the OEM smaller diameter grip.

[rustyputterguy]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' timestamp='1394123099' post='8811401']
[quote name='Cwing' timestamp='1393812538' post='8783794']
Just picked up an Odyssey Arm a Lock Metal x Dart. I am 5'11" but I think I'll take it down to 2 to 3" below the elbow. I am not sure what cutting it down will do and if I can save the grip and will need a new grip. What is the non OEM grip of choice and why
.
[/quote]

I use the superstroke grip which is 17 inches long and says "1.7" at the bottom for diameter. The reason I like this grip is my hands fit very comfortably around it and I don't have to contort my left wrist to keep the butt end against my forearm like I had to do for the OEM smaller diameter grip.
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I just had this done and am loving the result. I cut my Betti Kuchar #2 down to about 39", I'm 5'11" too, and put the Super Stroke Flatso 17 on it. The wider grip resting on the arm just stabilizes everything that much more.

[Switch]

First round on my course this year since switching to armlock in January (snow kept me off course). 26 putts.

Been putting in my basement on my green for two months. I will say it has been trial and error with ball position and whatnot but.....I got it dialed in now. I have always been a good putter and great inside 10 feet and just felt I could get better. What a difference. Kuchar 1 armlock putter at 43.5 inches. Went through 3 grips also finding the right feel.

[rossonero]

I bought an Odyssey DART armlock putter. I have difficulties in the general posture with the putter. As the putter is forward pressed against my left arm, it feels like my shoulders are not Square. Must the ball in the stands be in the middle or even a bit more far back, as it seems to me that is the only way the the shoulds get Square. I once read that with this type of putters, you are more open in the stance than a normal putter?

Does anyone has any input or some information where to read more information about the general setup issues on such a putter.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='rossonero' timestamp='1394998227' post='8884097']
I bought an Odyssey DART armlock putter. I have difficulties in the general posture with the putter. As the putter is forward pressed against my left arm, it feels like my shoulders are not Square. Must the ball in the stands be in the middle or even a bit more far back, as it seems to me that is the only way the the shoulds get Square. I once read that with this type of putters, you are more open in the stance than a normal putter?

Does anyone has any input or some information where to read more information about the general setup issues on such a putter.
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My stance with the armlock is definitely slightly open. My right elbow is almost against my side and I am looking directly down the line. The ball is forward of the middle of my stance.

[Mathew_Paris]

Hello,

I'm playing with the Odyssey Metal-x 7 Armlock putter for more than a year.
It was hard using it at first, but once you get the good position and feeling the ball always go straight.
Now I can't use something else and I know that if I miss the hole it was because of either a bad alignment or a distance issue but not the swing/club path.

When I start to be pretty confortable with it is when I found out that the ball need to bee closer to the left foot, not in the middle of the stance.
Also, you need to avoid arm motion, only shoulders, and the back of your lef hand must move straight in direction of the hole.

Hope it help a bit... courage!

Mathieu.

[golfersteve]

Just received the DART Arm Lock and love it.



Some questions for you, I am 5'7" tall and find the 43" putter way to long for me. I need to cut it down about 4" so that the end rests about 2" below my left elbow.

- I think logically this will make the head seem heavier so should I tell my fitter to add weights in the grip to keep the same balance point as original?

- Concensus from forums suggest the Superstroke 17" 1.3 is best although as the original 21" Winn grip is 1" diameter and too thin and hard. Unfortunately cannot find a 21" SS at 1.3

- Anyone know what is the weight of the DART Arm lock grip?

- Are there any websites that teach you how to use this putter?



Many thanks.

[golfersteve]

Ok just cut down Odyssey Dart Armlock by 3 1/2" (i'm 5'7") and put on a new Superstroke Flatso 17" which is 1.4" wide for the flat part and the flat side facing the ball. Feels awesome the Matt Kutcher grip. I noted previously with the original Winn grip it was too narrow causing me to have too much tension in the left hand, and the butt end didnt really press hard against the left arm. Now with the Flatso it really locks tight against the left arm without having to force it. Feels so comfortable and natural now. Just need to test it on the course :-)

[SwingBlues]

I too cut it down, there is no way that 43" would feel right and I am "average" at 5'9.


So.....been playing with a Odyssey Dart Arm Lock for about 1 1/2 weeks now and I removed the grip myself (it was a b*tch) and cut the shaft down by 2". Played Marshall Canyon in La Verne last weekend, has very "interesting" greens for sure and I thought I putted pretty well on those greens which were fast/slow and somewhere in between along with the slope since theres hardly any flats on those greens.

I did find the Winn grip to be an ok size and I overwrap my left hand with the vee up. Now, this putter does benefit more without the tension in the hands and lifted slightly above the grass. Otherwise for some reason, I tend to jerk it inside and it throws the head off line. Not good when you are putting a 6 footer and need to hit it precise.

No problem with the Metal-X face - I always liked this face since I still have my original Odyssey #8 Metal-X. Probably one of the best insert faces made by Odyssey that actually rolls the ball very, very well and with a good feel for control of distance.

I came from an 8802/Rife Bimini style putters and the arm locks suits me just fine as I still maintain my open stance and forward ball position (since I am left eye dominant).

Its a huge advantage for me to remove my wrist but now I just got to control the back swing and smoothen it out.

[skee]

I think I found the new grip for my arm lock, it's a rosemark 7teen. I put it on my custom made arm lock putter by slighter putters. He was one who helped build the putter Matt kuchar used to win the players. The grip feels comfortable in the hands and smaller than a superstroke. I rolled a few putts tonight at home it feels great.

[Gin77]

Just received the DART Arm Lock and love it.

 

 

 

Some questions for you, I am 5'7" tall and find the 43" putter way to long for me. I need to cut it down about 4" so that the end rests about 2" below my left elbow.

 

- I think logically this will make the head seem heavier so should I tell my fitter to add weights in the grip to keep the same balance point as original?

 

- Concensus from forums suggest the Superstroke 17" 1.3 is best although as the original 21" Winn grip is 1" diameter and too thin and hard. Unfortunately cannot find a 21" SS at 1.3

 

- Anyone know what is the weight of the DART Arm lock grip?

 

- Are there any websites that teach you how to use this putter?

 

 

 

Many thanks.

Sorry for bumping such an old thread but I'm interested to hear if you guys are still happy with the arm lock method.

 

I bought the Metal x 7 armlock recently and at 43" its way too long for me at 5'7". I cut off 5" and I think I could take another inch. I didn't remove the grip instead I cut straight through. I can practice and experiment with different styles before I change the grip and save a few quid.

 

I agree about the metal x face making the ball roll well I've never seen a ball to roll like that, much better than my scotty Cameron fastback.

 

So far I'm most comfortable with left-hand below right with the right-hand fingers clamped to my forearm.

 

I find lag putting very difficult I'm wondering could that be a result of the swingweight change?

 

Perhaps its become too head heavy. Has anyone tried to add a counter weight?

 

Did it help or just make the putter heavier?

 

Not much information out there guys I'm hoping you don't mind all the questions. Thanks.

[Brompton]

Just received the DART Arm Lock and love it.

 

 

 

Some questions for you, I am 5'7" tall and find the 43" putter way to long for me. I need to cut it down about 4" so that the end rests about 2" below my left elbow.

 

- I think logically this will make the head seem heavier so should I tell my fitter to add weights in the grip to keep the same balance point as original?

 

- Concensus from forums suggest the Superstroke 17" 1.3 is best although as the original 21" Winn grip is 1" diameter and too thin and hard. Unfortunately cannot find a 21" SS at 1.3

 

- Anyone know what is the weight of the DART Arm lock grip?

 

- Are there any websites that teach you how to use this putter?

 

 

 

Many thanks.

Sorry for bumping such an old thread but I'm interested to hear if you guys are still happy with the arm lock method.

 

I bought the Metal x 7 armlock recently and at 43" its way too long for me at 5'7". I cut off 5" and I think I could take another inch. I didn't remove the grip instead I cut straight through. I can practice and experiment with different styles before I change the grip and save a few quid.

 

I agree about the metal x face making the ball roll well I've never seen a ball to roll like that, much better than my scotty Cameron fastback.

 

So far I'm most comfortable with left-hand below right with the right-hand fingers clamped to my forearm.

 

I find lag putting very difficult I'm wondering could that be a result of the swingweight change?

 

Perhaps its become too head heavy. Has anyone tried to add a counter weight?

 

Did it help or just make the putter heavier?

 

Not much information out there guys I'm hoping you don't mind all the questions. Thanks.

 

I am also interested in feedback for this....