Anyone know about the rumoured TMAG non-conforming range?

[KjBowen]

Ok guys .. Seriously.
These clubs will target the hacks and weekend warriors not most of us on this site.

You are worried they will cheat or become cheaters???

Like they don't already.
Foot wedges..
Preferred lies on a 80* day
I mean the average hack/weekend warrior commits a rules violation every other hole.
For gods sake let these people hit it farther and better cause if anything they will be closer to the hole and it will speed up play for us.

Shoot.. Let see some 500cc drivers and non conforming grooves. I play what I play.. Everyone has their rights..
If you don't like it.. Go play on tour or play in a league that has It in the rules (which any league can do) that the non conforming equipment isn't allowed

Just go play golf

[HighSpeedScene]

Brilliant if they do it. I personally wish they wouldn't, but last time I checked their goal was to make money, and I think this will net them plenty.

Smart biz move...but I hope they don't. But objectively I think they should.

Didn't read whole thread, so apologies if I missed something pertinent.

[south_side_lefty]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379780984' post='7889029']
Reading this thread, i have become aware that this forum that i have been reading for years is not really a golf forum at all....Very bizarre comments from many who consider themselves golfers.......By the way, at a time when clubs that hit the ball too far, and balls that fly too far are ruining the character of most golf courses and in turn greatly hurting the game of golf, why would it be a good thing to further the problem by making clubs that fly even further???????
[/quote]

Agreed.

[KjBowen]

[quote name='south_side_lefty' timestamp='1379782796' post='7889159']
[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379780984' post='7889029']
Reading this thread, i have become aware that this forum that i have been reading for years is not really a golf forum at all....Very bizarre comments from many who consider themselves golfers.......By the way, at a time when clubs that hit the ball too far, and balls that fly too far are ruining the character of most golf courses and in turn greatly hurting the game of golf, why would it be a good thing to further the problem by making clubs that fly even further???????
[/quote]

Agreed.
[/quote]

While this is pretty much 100% accurate.

Do you think it's gonna stop or go away?
You have 2 choices..
Embrace it and just understand that the quest for greater distance will always trump all

Or fight it and have your argument.. Even tho you will win the argument .. Have it fall on deaf ears.

[finalist]

Seems like bad form to take another golf website's article/topic and discuss it on a competitive site. Why not ask the researchers over there? They have a lot of points and info that nobody here is bringing up.

[SatelliteGuy]

I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.

Try that.

[apprenti23]

The market for non conforming clubs is huge- seniors, women, children, etc. I'm all for whatever it takes to get more people enjoying golf.

[wobgon]

[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1379782192' post='7889097']

Playing golf under rules formed by consensus of the group is not cheating, if that is the implication, here. Unless a player is required to play by the rules of golf, I see nothing wrong with any of the stuff you mention, as long as it is done with approval of the group. That is recreational golf. Anyone doing any of the things you mention when he is expected to play it down should have the rule book thrown at him.
[/quote]
I actually never mentioned cheating....I am just saying that all things mentioned are usga rules, one not less than the others...All equal....I guess your idea of recreational golf and mine are diff. I am sure you understand that in none of these situations scores should be handed in for handicap.......

[finalist]

[quote name='Directvtechguy' timestamp='1379784075' post='7889251']
I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.

Try that.
[/quote]


Hahaha!!
Are you really really curious, or just a little curious?

...There's more info on this topic over there that they spent a lot of time on trying to create content. Company quotes from TM's CEO, interesting spins, brand diversification.... But we can't rip off all their info, right?

[wobgon]

[quote name='Directvtechguy' timestamp='1379784075' post='7889251']
I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.



I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.

Try that.
[/quote]




Yea don't you just hate it when people post opinions about what others should do like minding their own business and trying things. I'm always curious why people do those things. Just makes no sense.......

[nbg352]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379784402' post='7889275']

I actually never mentioned cheating....I am just saying that all things mentioned are usga rules, one not less than the others...All equal....I guess your idea of recreational golf and mine are diff. I am sure you understand that in none of these situations scores should be handed in for handicap.......
[/quote]
No, you didn't mention cheating but if you had it could have been valid. I just wanted to create clarity in the other readers minds. And I agree. Anyone playing a recreational round should not hand that score in for h/c purposes. Although I doubt most recreational golfers even think about a H/c.

[blink3665]

I can hardly wait till the first one of these things pops up on the BST. That is when the real fun will start.

Many people on this site are dedicated to golf. We practice, we research, we follow the rules. WE are not the norm on a golf course. Sure, you will have pockets of golfers at clubs and such that are the same way as us. However, I think that Joe Schmo just wants to have some fun, lose a few less balls, hit the ball a little further and straighter, and enjoy themselves. If NC clubs help them do that then I'm fine with it. The more people that get out and play golf the more money goes into the pool. That being said, this could cause some very interesting conversations at clubs, tourneys, and money matches everywhere...

[finalist]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379785261' post='7889325']
[quote name='Directvtechguy' timestamp='1379784075' post='7889251']
I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.



I'm just curious why ANYONE gives two flyin craps what anyone else does...

Mind your own business.

Try that.
[/quote]
Yea' don"t you just hate it when people post opinions about what others should do like minding their own business and trying things. I'm always curious why people do those things. Just makes no sense.......
[/quote]

One time I was curious why my neighbor mowed his lawn when the grass was still wet. It was just too hard to mind my own business, so I asked. Lucky for me he has a good attitude.

[Woodridge]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379780984' post='7889029']
Reading this thread, i have become aware that this forum that i have been reading for years is not really a golf forum at all....Very bizarre comments from many who consider themselves golfers.......By the way, at a time when clubs that hit the ball too far, and balls that fly too far are ruining the character of most golf courses and in turn greatly hurting the game of golf, why would it be a good thing to further the problem by making clubs that fly even further???????
[/quote]

The ball goes too far for who? For the 1% er's that WRX represents? Have you ever watched the people who play golf these days? Most of them can't hit a 225 driver even if they pure it. The vast, vast majority of players do not hit the ball too far. That's something you only hear on places like Wrx and the golf channel as it relates to the best amateurs and professionals.

That said. I'm against non-conforming equipment, but it has nothing to do with the ball going further.

[wobgon]

[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1379785438' post='7889339']

No, you didn't mention cheating but if you had it could have been valid. I just wanted to create clarity in the other readers minds. And I agree. Anyone playing a recreational round should not hand that score in for h/c purposes. Although I doubt most recreational golfers even think about a H/c.
[/quote]
I guess the diff. is,around here there are very few what you call recreational golfers....Almost everyone plays in tournys and keeps a handicap...I consider recreational golf,golf played between tournament rounds....By the way..(Maybe its the swing)..

[wobgon]

[quote name='Woodridge' timestamp='1379785746' post='7889361']


The ball goes too far for who? For the 1% er's that WRX represents? Have you ever watched the people who play golf these days? Most of them can't hit a 225 driver even if they pure it. The vast, vast majority of players do not hit the ball too far. That's something you only hear on places like Wrx and the golf channel as it relates to the best amateurs and professionals.

That said. I'm against non-conforming equipment, but it has nothing to do with the ball going further.
[/quote]
Exactly my point....Many golf courses in this and other countries were built for players hitting 200 to 250 yard drives and mid iron second shots, not driver lob wedge... The course that i belong to is a good example of this. I now hit on average three clubs less into the par fours than i did when i was younger and stronger. Good par fives have become avg. par fours...Anyone who is young and plays this great game has no idea how the majority of courses were designed to play...This has nothing to do with this forum or the golf channel, it is simply a fact of life....

[nbg352]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379786008' post='7889379']

I guess the diff. is,around here there are very few what you call recreational golfers....Almost everyone plays in tournys and keeps a handicap...I consider recreational golf,golf played between tournament rounds....By the way..(Maybe its the swing)..
[/quote]
I think this thread has shown that there is quite a mix of philosophy around here and many have spoken their minds. Perhaps the popularity of wrx is in part due to the diversity of it's members.
( Oh yeah, it's the swing, all right!)

[Awesomeguy887]

[quote name='Big Ben' timestamp='1379759053' post='7887937']
I've read this a few time now, pre-groove rule non-conforming wedges are NOT illegal, there's a difference...BB
[/quote]

I am aware of this. They are legal for amateurs until 2024. However they are no longer manufactured by most club makers so they are harder and harder to find.

My point was if an oem released a new line of box groove wedges I would be interested. However other non conforming gear wouldn't interest me.

[bruinsPATSirish]

Anything that gives a shot in the arm to the numbers of rounds played and total number of golfers is more than likely going to be fine with me.

The golf ball traveling farther is not a problem for people outside the TINY pocket of golfers that is made up of professionals and talented amateurs. Joe Shmoe golfer playing on Sunday morning at Hackitaround Golf Course is not driving greens, laughing at Donald Ross and kissing his Titleist ProV in the process.

[kronik]

I think it's a great thing for manufacturers to push the limits of technology outside of the rules of governance. I seriously can't be the only one who sees power in curiosity for possibilities and excitement in pushing the boundaries - it's kind of what humanity is all about. Plus, I'd like to see my dad drive the ball over 200 yards again, I think it would be a wonderful thing for seniors. I wouldn't use it, but I'd be curious to see the results of comparative play between the sexes and ages as a result of parody created by closing the gaps of physical deficiencies through technology.

[wobgon]

[quote name='bruinsPATSirish' timestamp='1379790789' post='7889657']
Anything that gives a shot in the arm to the numbers of rounds played and total number of golfers is more than likely going to be fine with me.

The golf ball traveling farther is not a problem for people outside the TINY pocket of golfers that is made up of professionals and talented amateurs. Joe Shmoe golfer playing on Sunday morning at Hackitaround Golf Course is not driving greens, laughing at Donald Ross and kissing his Titleist ProV in the process.
[/quote]
So how much is too much. Suppose titleist came out with a ball that would travel 400 yard with an 85 mile an hour swing speed...Would that be a good thing for the avg. Joe Shmoe or would it as i feel, actually ruin the game for the avg. shmoe because it would take away from what the game should be which is all players playing on an equal playing feild and trying to improve within the rules of the game....Every recreational golfer that i ever met is striving to someday be much better...I feel that the equipment route is not the best way for them to achieve this. As far as making the game fun for everyone, consider this....For years and years people of my father and grandfathers era had loads of fun playing golf with the equipment of the day...The shortest launching driver of the last 10 years is longer than the longest from 20 years ago. As far as balls, the diff. is even greater. Why, since the turn of the century do people think that to have fun playing golf,the avg. Joe needs to hit the ball farther, and farther, and farther?????
In my eyes,this would be like lowering the rim in basketball to 8 feet because the avg. Joe Smoe can't dunk. How many dunks did you see 30 years ago. It was still a great game.

[MountainKing]

Illegal equipment like this would be great for somebody like my Dad. He's 70 years old, never was long to begin with..between age, bad back and two knee surgeries he has a hard time even from the ladies tees, something that gave him 20 more yaerds would make it a lot more enjoyable.

[wobgon]

[quote name='MountainKing' timestamp='1379793111' post='7889799']
Illegal equipment like this would be great for somebody like my Dad. He's 70 years old, never was long to begin with..between age, bad back and two knee surgeries he has a hard time even from the ladies tees, something that gave him 20 more yaerds would make it a lot more enjoyable.
[/quote]
Situation like that would be the only good thing that could come out of this in my eyes...

[south_side_lefty]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379791985' post='7889729']

So how much is too much. Suppose titleist came out with a ball that would travel 400 yard with an 85 mile an hour swing speed...Would that be a good thing for the avg. Joe Shmoe or would it as i feel, actually ruin the game for the avg. shmoe because it would take away from what the game should be which is all players playing on an equal playing feild and trying to improve within the rules of the game....Every recreational golfer that i ever met is striving to someday be much better...I feel that the equipment route is not the best way for them to achieve this. As far as making the game fun for everyone, consider this....For years and years people of my father and grandfathers era had loads of fun playing golf with the equipment of the day...The shortest launching driver of the last 10 years is longer than the longest from 20 years ago. As far as balls, the diff. is even greater. Why, since the turn of the century do people think that to have fun playing golf,the avg. Joe needs to hit the ball farther, and farther, and farther?????
In my eyes,this would be like lowering the rim in basketball to 8 feet because the avg. Joe Smoe can't dunk. How many dunks did you see 30 years ago. It was still a great game.
[/quote]

Once again, I agree with wobgon.

Hmm

[tradpl]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379791985' post='7889729']
[quote name='bruinsPATSirish' timestamp='1379790789' post='7889657']
Anything that gives a shot in the arm to the numbers of rounds played and total number of golfers is more than likely going to be fine with me.

The golf ball traveling farther is not a problem for people outside the TINY pocket of golfers that is made up of professionals and talented amateurs. Joe Shmoe golfer playing on Sunday morning at Hackitaround Golf Course is not driving greens, laughing at Donald Ross and kissing his Titleist ProV in the process.
[/quote]
So how much is too much. Suppose titleist came out with a ball that would travel 400 yard with an 85 mile an hour swing speed...
[/quote]

Yeah. Suppose TM came out with a ball with self-guiding mechanism which guarantees hole in one.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

We are talking about at most 4% more distance with the driver and/or more backspin with wedges.

Let's stay with realistic scenarios, could we?

[wobgon]

[quote name='tradpl' timestamp='1379795922' post='7890013']
[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379791985' post='7889729']
[quote name='bruinsPATSirish' timestamp='1379790789' post='7889657']
Anything that gives a shot in the arm to the numbers of rounds played and total number of golfers is more than likely going to be fine with me.

The golf ball traveling farther is not a problem for people outside the TINY pocket of golfers that is made up of professionals and talented amateurs. Joe Shmoe golfer playing on Sunday morning at Hackitaround Golf Course is not driving greens, laughing at Donald Ross and kissing his Titleist ProV in the process.
[/quote]
So how much is too much. Suppose titleist came out with a ball that would travel 400 yard with an 85 mile an hour swing speed...
[/quote]

Yeah. Suppose TM came out with a ball with self-guiding mechanism which guarantees hole in one.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

We are talking about at most 4% more distance with the driver and/or more backspin with wedges.

Let's stay with realistic scenarios, could we?
[/quote]
Sorry you didn't understand what my point was....If you think my point was that they were going to make such a ball, then I really don"t know what to say to you....By the way, nice use of capital letters...Very impressive....

[bruinsPATSirish]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379796405' post='7890045']
[quote name='tradpl' timestamp='1379795922' post='7890013']
[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379791985' post='7889729']
[quote name='bruinsPATSirish' timestamp='1379790789' post='7889657']
Anything that gives a shot in the arm to the numbers of rounds played and total number of golfers is more than likely going to be fine with me.

The golf ball traveling farther is not a problem for people outside the TINY pocket of golfers that is made up of professionals and talented amateurs. Joe Shmoe golfer playing on Sunday morning at Hackitaround Golf Course is not driving greens, laughing at Donald Ross and kissing his Titleist ProV in the process.
[/quote]
So how much is too much. Suppose titleist came out with a ball that would travel 400 yard with an 85 mile an hour swing speed...
[/quote]

Yeah. Suppose TM came out with a ball with self-guiding mechanism which guarantees hole in one.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

We are talking about at most 4% more distance with the driver and/or more backspin with wedges.

Let's stay with realistic scenarios, could we?
[/quote]
Sorry you didn't understand what my point was....If you think my point was that they were going to make such a ball, then I really don"t know what to say to you....By the way, nice use of capital letters...Very impressive....
[/quote]

I am sure there were a couple gents that were displeased and felt the game was being tarnished when the Gutta ball replaced the good old Feathery...

[Xt1ncT]

[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379784402' post='7889275']
[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1379782192' post='7889097']

Playing golf under rules formed by consensus of the group is not cheating, if that is the implication, here. Unless a player is required to play by the rules of golf, I see nothing wrong with any of the stuff you mention, as long as it is done with approval of the group. That is recreational golf. Anyone doing any of the things you mention when he is expected to play it down should have the rule book thrown at him.
[/quote]
I actually never mentioned cheating....I am just saying that all things mentioned are usga rules, one not less than the others...All equal....I guess your idea of recreational golf and mine are diff. I am sure you understand that in none of these situations scores should be handed in for handicap.......
[/quote]have just read the thread.

It would seem that the actual main point has been missed by many.

Avid club ho's and aficionados like those on golf forums are not the target market if these clubs. Club members who have handicaps are I the target market.

The target market is those guys/girls who aren't members of a club, don't have a handicap, and more often than not do not play by the Rules of Golf.

Most of them couldn't break 100 and find golf hard, very hard - because it is - but they want to have fun and if by buying this equipment they have more fun who are we to say no? In fact who is the USGA to say no?

[wundej]

If I didn't play in a league, I would have no issues playing non conforming clubs. Recreational golfers should have every advantage possible. It is a game for fun. It is hard enough and if 500cc drivers help people hit straighter and are more forgiving, who cares?

Competition needs rules, usga handles that (there are a number of rules of golf that are completely stupid, so don't forget that) and why should anyone care what clubs I play unless it is a competition?

Should all men also have to play from the black tees because that is where the pros play? Little league and collage baseball should only use wood bats? I know it is a little different but as log as they are marked unconforming in some way it shouldn't matter.

[bruinsPATSirish]

[quote name='Xt1ncT' timestamp='1379797587' post='7890139']
[quote name='wobgon' timestamp='1379784402' post='7889275']
[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1379782192' post='7889097']
Playing golf under rules formed by consensus of the group is not cheating, if that is the implication, here. Unless a player is required to play by the rules of golf, I see nothing wrong with any of the stuff you mention, as long as it is done with approval of the group. That is recreational golf. Anyone doing any of the things you mention when he is expected to play it down should have the rule book thrown at him.
[/quote]
I actually never mentioned cheating....I am just saying that all things mentioned are usga rules, one not less than the others...All equal....I guess your idea of recreational golf and mine are diff. I am sure you understand that in none of these situations scores should be handed in for handicap.......
[/quote]have just read the thread.

It would seem that the actual main point has been missed by many.

Avid club ho's and aficionados like those on golf forums are not the target market if these clubs. Club members who have handicaps are I the target market.

The target market is those guys/girls who aren't members of a club, don't have a handicap, and more often than not do not play by the Rules of Golf.

Most of them couldn't break 100 and find golf hard, very hard - because it is - but they want to have fun and if by buying this equipment they have more fun who are we to say no? In fact who is the USGA to say no?
[/quote]

Sir you must take your logic and sensibility elsewhere.

Agreed 100% though