Adams CB3 irons anyone else hitting them extremely high?

[evanseze]

Hey guys, I have been playing the Adams cb3 irons for a while now and while I love the looks, I am now on my 4th shaft change trying to get my ball flight down. I started with the stock shaft in the KBS tour 90 which is about as flimsy and spinny of a shaft that I have ever hit. Next went to s300....better but still too high and balloons into the wind. Went to KBS C taper s+ and still hit the ball too high.....better flight than the S300's and way less ballooning, but man these things are heavy, plus I think it was a bit too much shaft for me. Feel was not bad, but again I think it is just a bit too much shaft. I am now waiting to have a set of Project X 6.0 shafts installed to see if that will work for me. I am beginning to think this club just produces an extremely high ball flight with a ton of spin no matter the shaft. Anyone else have this issue with these irons? I really like the look of these clubs, but if the PX's don't work, I am going to have to look elsewhere to get the ball flight I am looking for. Before the swing gurus start jumping in, I play to a 5.0 hcp and that is due to a dreadful short game. My driver and ball striking are pretty good, so while we could all use a swing lesson or two, I am looking more for feedback from WRX'ERS that have experience with these irons, not online swing advice. Swing speed with the driver is in the 108-112 range and play a fairly straight ball flight with the driver and a very slight fade with my irons.

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What irons have you previously played that never hit the ball as high?

[Schick]

If you are still hitting it high with so many different shafts, it's not the clubs.

[Micah J]

The CB3s are anything but heavy. The KBS c taper came stock on my set but then again I was fitted. They do have a low kick point designed to hit the high trajectory shots. Remember...these are a gi set, even though they are forged 8620 the offset is progressive from GW to 4i. Have you been fitted?? You're not hitting a set of blades.

[Micah J]

If you had the KBS c taper lites that would explain it.

[Micah J]

The C taper lites have the low kick point in the stiff flex like mine.

[evanseze]

I have hit R7TP with S300's, and then the Tour Preferred with the same shaft and had a much better ball flight. I had the Adams A4 irons with S300's prior to these and while the A4's produced a higher ball flight than the Taylormades, they did give a lower ball flight than the CB3's. I made the switch to the CB3's due to playing less golf (looking for a bit more forgiveness) plus I really liked the look. I am thinking about going to either the AP2's or maybe the new Apex/Apex Pro combo set as I have read the new Apex irons produce lower spin due to their groove pattern. Before you say "go back to the Taylormade's", I am not playing near as much golf as I used to and really would like an iron that is a bit more on the forgiving side.

[Micah J]

So let me get this straight....you're a 5 index complaining about hitting the ball too high. First of all you're gaming the wrong set of irons. The CB3s are geared more towards the mid hdcp players..12-20 hdcp or so. You should just go on ebay and look for a used set of mb2s since you don't want to play that much anymore.

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I suspect the higher ball flight is due to moving from more players cavity (R7TP and Tour Prefetrd) to GI cavity which tend to have COG low and back to help get the ball in the air. Changing shafts are unlikely to have significant effect.

[evanseze]

[quote name='Micah J' timestamp='1386816580' post='8286529']
If you had the KBS c taper lites that would explain it.
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The C tapers I hit were the standard C tapers s+ and they were very heavy with that shaft (5 iron came in at D8). My club builder told me that at that SW, I would have a harder time getting the club head thru at impact, which may have caused me to leave the club face open a bit with that shaft.....

[Micah J]

You said it yourself..."I play to a 5 hdcp and that is due to a dreadful short game". Obviously it's not the CB3s that need changing.

[evanseze]

[quote name='Micah J' timestamp='1386817776' post='8286619']
So let me get this straight....you're a 5 index complaining about hitting the ball too high. First of all you're gaming the wrong set of irons. The CB3s are geared more towards the mid hdcp players..12-20 hdcp or so. You should just go on ebay and look for a used set of mb2s since you don't want to play that much anymore.
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First of all, I am not "complaining" about hitting the ball too high, I am simply asking for feedback from those that have hit these irons that may have had the same problems as what I am experiencing. Secondly, considering Ben Curtis plays Ap1's which are more GI than the CB3's and Kenny perry used to play the standard R7's which are also more GI with more offset, you may want to rethink that statement. I am more of a digger and irons like the mb2's would not be the best fit for my swing.

[evanseze]

[quote name='Micah J' timestamp='1386817934' post='8286637']
You said it yourself..."I play to a 5 hdcp and that is due to a dreadful short game". Obviously it's not the CB3s that need changing.
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What part of this statement has anything to do with my original question??? Apparently the part of my original post that asked the swing gurus to keep the swing advice to themselves must have eluded you.

[evanseze]

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I suspect the higher ball flight is due to moving from more players cavity (R7TP and Tour Prefetrd) to GI cavity which tend to have COG low and back to help get the ball in the air. Changing shafts are unlikely to have significant effect.
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This is basically what I am thinking as well, I guess at this point I am probably going to have to bite the bullet and move on to a different iron altogether. Thank you for the constructive feedback, that is exactly what I was looking for.

[Micah J]

My 4 and 5 irons hit piercing, low boring stingers....7-GW I get a nice, high trajectory which I don't mind. If I'm 90 yards and in I go to a 54.5 or a 60 degree. Haven't had a problem with moon balls unless I meant to hit that type of shot. Before I hit the CB3s I never thought I would game anything from Adams. They've been a God send as I was struggling with the mx25s I was gaming prior to that. Adams gi and players irons are top notch.

[Micah J]

I used to make fun of Adams equipment until I demod some irons loll..felt like a fool.

[LObin]

[quote name='Micah J' timestamp='1386817776' post='8286619']
So let me get this straight....you're a 5 index complaining about hitting the ball too high. First of all you're gaming the wrong set of irons. The CB3s are geared more towards the mid hdcp players..12-20 hdcp or so. You should just go on ebay and look for a used set of mb2s since you don't want to play that much anymore.
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So let me get this straight... If you shoot in the 70s you should be playing blades. Period.?? So guys like Calcavecchia, K. Perry, D. Toms and Rocco simply don't get it and should go on Ebay and get themselves a set of blades?
Helpfull post...

[LObin]

I also suspect the cb3s to be too high launching for you. I only tried them in the store with the stock KBS 90s and they were obviously too high for me. From my experience, the PX won't help lower the launch nor will they feel that much lighter than the C-Tapers. You could always bend the lofts a bit stronger but the PW is already 45*...

I game the A12 pros with C-Tapers S+ and I'm hitting them lower than my previous sets which were FG tours/X100 and J38 CB/ PX 6.0 flighted. I've always hit the ball high with my irons but this is a good setup for me. I wouldn't mind hitting my irons even ower but don't want to sacrifice the forgiveness of the A12s... Whether you play of a 10, a 5 or even if you are payed to play golf, forgiveness is your friend.

If you wanted to stay with Adams, you could always try the CMBs, the A12 pros or the new XTDs. Just by their design, these 3 models should help bring the flight down. They also pack a lot of forgiveness for their size. (Although I never tried the new XTDs)

But who knows, maybe the PX will work wonders and you'll be able to keep your CB3s. After all, christmas is in 2 weeks...

[gopherguts]

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If you wanted to stay with Adams, you could always try the CMBs, the A12 pros or the new XTDs. Just by their design, these 3 models should help bring the flight down. They also pack a lot of forgiveness for their size. (Although I never tried the new XTDs)
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Tried all 3, including the new XTD. IMO none of the 3 is anywhere near the CB3 in forgiveness.


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I suspect the higher ball flight is due to moving from more players cavity (R7TP and Tour Prefetrd) to GI cavity which tend to have COG low and back to help get the ball in the air. Changing shafts are unlikely to have significant effect.
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This is basically what I am thinking as well, I guess at this point I am probably going to have to bite the bullet and move on to a different iron altogether. Thank you for the constructive feedback, that is exactly what I was looking for.
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Yeah, post #3 basically said the same thing.

C-Tapers and DSG300 are about the lowest launching shafts there are. If your flight is too high with them, it's not the shafts.

Too bad. The CB3 is a very nice head. A good bit of sole weight though. I play the G20s with DSG300 and they do hit it high but that doesn't much bother me - the forgiveness is worth it.

Unfortunately a lot of sole weight is a characteristic of a GI or SGI club; to help higher handicappers to get it in the air. Player's CBs and blades have less sole weight and hit a more boring shot but lose a little forgiveness.

Guess ya can't have everything ?

Don't know your budget but you might want to give the new Callaway Apex a try. I only hit them indoors so height isn't something I paid much attention to BUT the sole is not exceptionally deep so the flight may not be too high - and they ARE forgiving,,,,,,,,,,,,, Maybe the X-Hot PRO as well ? Also pretty forgiving and, as the "pro" version of the X-Hot probably doesn't hit it quite as high as the "non-Pro" version.

Good luck.

[evanseze]

Thanks for the replies fellas. This thread is pretty much telling me what I already knew, and it is that the CB3's are just too much of a high launch head for me. It sucks, because I really like the looks of the club. I am not the guy that has to have that razor thin top line, but the good thing is that I am a pretty consistent striker with my irons, so I guess going back to a more players type cb is in my future. I do think that a mixed set of the Apex/Apex Pro's with the KBS v2 shaft will be on my short list to try. I am heading up to St. Louis over the Xmas holiday, and plan on stopping into the new GG superstore, that was talked about in a previous thread, to give some of the new offerings a trial run. My club builder has been giving me grief over all the shafts I have been going thru by telling me I am keeping him in business, and that I could have bought at least one new set with all the money I have spent on shafts and labor. I guess they will make a good back up set.

[Micah J]

The CMBs are where it's at if you want to dump $1,500.00 into a custom set. Definitely my next stop. From what I hear they have better feel and response than miuras. The other day I told my pro I'm not good enough to have consistency with hitting blades and he told me that his game plateaud until he switched to blades...something to think about.

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Are the CMBs musclebacks or small cavities?

[Micah J]

Neither ...muscle backs are from the 70s...the CMBs are next gen blade style players irons.

[OBbogey5]

Bend the lofts.

[Dragonfly]

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Before the swing gurus start jumping in, I play to a 5.0 hcp and that is due to a dreadful short game. My driver and ball striking are pretty good, so while we could all use a swing lesson or two, I am looking more for feedback from WRX'ERS that have experience with these irons, not online swing advice. Swing speed with the driver is in the 108-112 range and play a fairly straight ball flight with the driver and a very slight fade with my irons.
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Loved.

If you can find 'em CB-1's are VERY nice, but they will likely need a reshaft from the Flighted PX's. Balloon city until I reshafted them with Black Golds.

[gopherguts]

Neither ...muscle backs are from the 70s...the CMBs are next gen blade style players irons.

 

So today's "Player's Cavity Back" is tomorrow "next gen blade" ?

 

Can't stand the thought of hitting cavity backs much,,,,,,, :lol:

 

[gvogel]

You might want to take a look at the AP1's, as they have been tweaked a bit in the short irons to keep the ball down. They inspire confidence behind the ball - for me - and might do the trick for you with S300 shafts.

Good luck.

[sweetswing22]

The answer to your question is an easy one! X100s. Will due the job! Do not sell these irons. No matter what you change to you will
Not find a better set. And will regret changing. These have it all, forgiveness,performance and the best feel of any set on the market!
The shaft has more to do with the ball flight than the head design.

[evanseze]

I was thinking about the X100's, but I was a little worried they might be too much shaft. The more I read on these however, I am starting to think this might be the way to go. Maybe the way to go would be x100 SS x1.......

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[quote name='sweetswing22' timestamp='1387097659' post='8302455']
The answer to your question is an easy one! X100s. Will due the job! Do not sell these irons. No matter what you change to you will
Not find a better set. And will regret changing. These have it all, forgiveness,performance and the best feel of any set on the market!
The shaft has more to do with the ball flight than the head design.
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Not quite. If the C-taper S+ are launching the ball too high, I can guarantee you the X100's will go higher still being a higher spin shaft. I play X100's and these get the ball up there.

Completely disagree with the comment about the shaft having more to do with ball flight than head design. Quite the opposite.